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steve-b
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Isn’t that where you are going now?steve-b:
You keep me asking, thank you.
Maybe I should look into a Protestant church?
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steve-b
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Be sure not to read around, key points. in that document
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EndTimes
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Although yes, I can expand upon what I take to be your drift, I haven’t read around that section 103.
What remains is that yes. People who are not what would be considered as active members of the Catholic Church on Earth - can nonetheless be part of The Body of Christ…
That said… yes… folks should read the entire portion of 103 -
Or even the entire Encyclical, Mystici Corporis - (quite long for many readers)
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annad347
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I go to a Lutheran and a Catholic church. I also take classes in both church. Lutheran’s are very biblical everything is from the bible. Catholic biblical and doctrines (not sure that’s the right word).
I learn a lot from both.
I learn a lot from both.
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Justin_Mary
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Do you know where they get their liturgy from?
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steve-b
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Since you are taking classes from both, may I ask 2 questions of you.
Lutheran’s founder was Martin Luther in the 16th century. He WAS a Catholic priest, but was excommunicated from the Church for his heresies AND, he refused to change, and he refused to return.
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- What does scripture say about those who divide or are divided from the only Church Jesus established, and won’t return?
- We know the lineage of all of Protestantism, regardless of stripe. ALL were established from or after the 16th century. Can you show the lineage (history) by date, of the Catholic Church?
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steve-b
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Excuse my highlighting, but I think (just being transparent)steve-b:
Although yes, I can expand upon what I take to be your drift, I haven’t read around that section 103.
What remains is that yes. People who are not what would be considered as active members of the Catholic Church on Earth - can nonetheless be part of The Body of Christ…
That said… yes… folks should read the entire portion of 103 -
Or even the entire Encyclical, Mystici Corporis - (quite long for many readers)
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, that, sometimes ecumenical speak IMV, lulls people into missing the key issue(s)" We ask each and every one of them to correspond to the interior movements of grace, and to seek to withdraw from that state in which they cannot be sure of their salvation .[196] For even though by an unconscious desire and longing they have a certain relationship with the Mystical Body of the Redeemer, they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church."
Point being,
IN the Catholic Church (participating in all the sacraments) is necessary for salvation. One can’t do that outside the Catholic Church
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annad347
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@steve-b @Justin_Mary… its not that kind of class. It’s not the theology of Lutheran, it more like a bible study from the gospel spoken in the service.
I wish they did that at the Catholic church I went too, I always have questions after ther service…my Catholic class is like a history class, I got to the class late, they just finished the last 3 books in the Old Testament and are mostly doing reviews. In January we are starting The New Testament. I also started a RCIA class…
I wish they did that at the Catholic church I went too, I always have questions after ther service…my Catholic class is like a history class, I got to the class late, they just finished the last 3 books in the Old Testament and are mostly doing reviews. In January we are starting The New Testament. I also started a RCIA class…
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annad347
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But isnt that the big question of this thread… understanding the difference between a catholic church and a Catholic church?
Understanding, if you are in a catholic church, you are in God’s church so you can obtain salvation?
You are enjoying all those gifts that are obtained in the catholic church?
Not everyone can participate in all the sacraments, so does that mean if you can’t participate in all of them you can’t recieve salvation? Of course not cause particpating in the scraments isnt what gives you salvation. You can recieve salvation without participating in all of them
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CarmeliteKnight
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The word Catholic means Universal. It’s Greek.
When I first read the title I got a good chuckle out of it.
When I first read the title I got a good chuckle out of it.
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EndTimes
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I’m still seeing this.
For even though by an unconscious desire and longing they have a certain relationship with the Mystical Body of the Redeemer, they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church
In other words… it’s their unconscious desire which accords them,
“a certain relationship” with the Mystical Body of the Redeemer, "
However,
because they’re not Catholics, they only receive some of the Heavenly Gifts which Catholic enjoy…
Unconsious Desire also allows for Baptism of Desire for non-Catholics … (TRENT)
Unconscious should neither be expected nor demanded to bloom into actual conversion
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ArchStanton
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Acts 1:20 [KJV] mentions his bishoprick [office] and the replacement was Matthias.
[refer to posts 90, 93, 99, 101, 103, and 107]
Blessings!
[refer to posts 90, 93, 99, 101, 103, and 107]
Blessings!
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annad347
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why, isn’t this a good question?
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annad347
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but was he part of Jesus church… and if he was then anyone member who receives the body and blood of Christ is part of His church. There is no separation.
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ArchStanton
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What is your interpretation of Acts 1:20?
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CarmeliteKnight
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Think about it this way:
Whats the difference between a Christian and a Catholic?
There is no difference. Catholics are Christian, and Christians are Catholic.
Or better yet, what’s the difference between a Shiba Inu and a Shiba Inu dog?
Whats the difference between a Christian and a Catholic?
There is no difference. Catholics are Christian, and Christians are Catholic.
Or better yet, what’s the difference between a Shiba Inu and a Shiba Inu dog?
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Fauken
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I read the former as “Shiba dog’” and the latter as “Shiba dog dog”.
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CarmeliteKnight
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And you are 100% right
This is why I got a chuckle out of the title.
This is why I got a chuckle out of the title.
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annad347
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20 “For it is written in the book of Psalms,
‘Let his homestead become desolate,
and let there be no one to live in it’;
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‘Let another take his position of overseer.’
there was a passage in Psalms that mentioned the place Judas killed himself. The place will be become a deserted unlivable place and someone will take over for him.
What does that have to do with weather or not Judas was part of Jesus’s church? You keep skipping that part. Even if Judas was baptized, received the Eucharist… he never received The Holy Spirit, he was never forgiven for his sin (as far as we know) he was not in the grace of God when he killed himself (as far as we know) so does that mean he was or was not part of God’s church, the universal catholic church or even Catholic church?
when you answer that question, then maybe I can answer @steve-b question
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