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so you missed the point? Judas had an office [bishoprick or office] and was replaced from that office. Early terms changed over time
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But there is more then one way to be fit and healthy. Also what might be considered fit and healthy to one may not be the same for another.
I say a simple prayer with small few words… you’re prayer is more elaborate with bigger more educated words… does that mean your prayer is heard and mine isnt’
and I’m NOT talking about that parable of the two men praying. I mean we are both praying for the exact same thing with the exact same meaning just using different words.
Why would you believe that if I get on my knees, pray to follow God’s will, if its not the direction you think it should be I’m being lead by The Anit Christ?
If a cop prays before he pulls the trigger of is gun is he being lead by the Anti Christ or The Holy Spirit?
If a doctor prays before he makes a medical decision for pregnant mother is he being lead by the Anit Christ or The Holy Spirit?
If I pray for The Holy Spirit to lead me to a church that will help me to live by God’s will and not mine own is my prayer not be heard by God… or do you think the Anit Christ is stronger and can over power my prayers to do God’s Will through The Holy Spirit?
The thought of that scares the ****** out of me, but I trust God, I trust He is hearing my prayers. I have faith that The Holy Spirit is guiding me… without that I have nothing. I have to believe when I kneel and pray to be in God’s church, the church Jesus gave Peter with the strength that no man can penetrate I am in that church.
and sorry I still haven’t decided yet if that’s a catholic church or a Catholic church… but its good to know based on what is written here it will be God’s church.
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That’s all I want to do.
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As for Judas… everyone pointed out that he was part of God’s church.
So to answer @steve-b, if anyone believe that Judas was still following the foundation of Jesus… honoring the words Jesus just left the apostles. If he had received The Holy Spirit, the power Jesus promised them. Then began his mission to baptized others in the name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit… but Judas felt the apostles were not doing what Jesus said. Were not baptizing in The Name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit but maybe baptizing people in their name… or telling people hey for 20 bucks I guarantee you a spot in heaven… or saying Jesus was a nice guy but look what happened… then Judas should have separated himself from then, others should have followed him to keep what Jesus’s teaching pure. BUT since Judas killed himself before he could receive The Holy Spirit then that point is mute.
Some churches that were excommunicated from the original church were not done for the same reasons… and apparently the Catholic church agrees. They are trying to combine all church who are true Christian faith… I even heard they were trying to make amends with the Protestant church, but they are being stubborn… at least that’s what my teacher said in one of my classes. My priest even said, who knows in 100 years all Christian Church will become one, just like Jesus wanted. In other words he didn’t condemn me when I told him I was going to a Lutheran church.
So to answer @steve-b, if anyone believe that Judas was still following the foundation of Jesus… honoring the words Jesus just left the apostles. If he had received The Holy Spirit, the power Jesus promised them. Then began his mission to baptized others in the name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit… but Judas felt the apostles were not doing what Jesus said. Were not baptizing in The Name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit but maybe baptizing people in their name… or telling people hey for 20 bucks I guarantee you a spot in heaven… or saying Jesus was a nice guy but look what happened… then Judas should have separated himself from then, others should have followed him to keep what Jesus’s teaching pure. BUT since Judas killed himself before he could receive The Holy Spirit then that point is mute.
Some churches that were excommunicated from the original church were not done for the same reasons… and apparently the Catholic church agrees. They are trying to combine all church who are true Christian faith… I even heard they were trying to make amends with the Protestant church, but they are being stubborn… at least that’s what my teacher said in one of my classes. My priest even said, who knows in 100 years all Christian Church will become one, just like Jesus wanted. In other words he didn’t condemn me when I told him I was going to a Lutheran church.
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but why wouldn’t you want the true Eucharist…body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ?
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It’s tooooooo hard to respond, when you compose rather than quote.
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who says I don’t… who says I’m not… who says both churches doesn’t knows exactly what I’m doing and said it was okay?
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Sorry, nothing I posted has any Biblical references to quote. It was just my opinion. Except the last part, but sorry I can’t remember the name of the father who said it.
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No… I think you’re missing the point.
Agreed. An office. Not a role as bishop (that hadn’t yet begun). The ‘office’ that had already been established was apostle. So, that’s the role that they chose a successor for.
And that’s the whole point! The role of “bishop” hadn’t yet been established, let alone named, at that point! So… to say that a “bishoprick” was what was being named is – at best! – anachronistic!
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I’m not sure what flavor of Lutheranism you’re attending, but if it was the flavor I went to, it’s one that believes that the Pope is either the Anti-Christ or that his office is the Anti-Christ. Somehow I don’t think either would find it okay. And in case you think I’m lying about certain Lutherans believing the Papacy is the anti-Christ:
https://www.lcms.org/about/beliefs/doctrine/brief-statement-of-lcms-doctrinal-position#anti-christ
The LCMS are not a tiny branch of Lutheranism either. Last I heard they were the second largest Lutheran denomination in the US.
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I don’t know… I have to learn about that, the way I have to understand why praying to Mary is so important… please don’t explain it… the teacher in my RCIA class said she would explain it to me.
But thanks for the link… it’ll help with my questions. Thank You.
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I Chorintians 10:16-17
Next chance you get to pray, meditate on the Eucharist.
Next time you’re in the sanctuary, sit there & contemplate the real presence.
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all that to say we agree…agreed 
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What I meant was one church has the Eucharist and the other does not… no need for the other.
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FYI, I dont know if I said this but thanks for what you’re trying to do.
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Nice.
But my point was Paul’s relating th he one Body of Christ to the Eucharist. The one Eucharist. As Catholics we believe a particular way about the Eucharist. A way protestant denominations do not.
Paul says it is sharing of that one bread that makes us One Body.
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But isnt a person’s belief an individual thing?
Do you believe the Eucharist is the actual body and blood of Christ just because the priest says it is or do you believe it cause you have faith God is present at that very moment turning ordinary wine into blood, ordinary bread to the body of Christ
I believe no matter what church you go to the Eucharist will be what God needs it to be in you’re life because of you’re faith in God… maybe I’m wrong but I trust God.
That’s where Paul’s words come into play and makes us one with The Body our faith… you cant tell me that just because a person’s Catholic their belief and faith is automatically genuine, that some arent just going through the motions… if that’s the case then why would God be stronger in one church over another… isnt He every where
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Popping in here…
Yes… I’ve experienced it.
And I’ll Add: FAITH - Actual Strong Belief Itself - is the Key…
With God’s Holy Spirit as our Intended Guide - it’s way harder to become “fooled” by the Enemy.
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