"Unplanned" the movie

[CatholicSooner]

I doubt even the movie’s staunchest supporters could deny that it is a totally one-sided portrayal.

It is simply the life story of Abby Johnson. She has lived both sides and is speaking her truth.

And I don’t care what the percentage of their services are abortions (that stat is skewed). That is irrelevent

 

[Bushum]

All of the undercover candid videos done by Project Veritas would beg to differ. There is NOTHING planned parenthood does that cannot be done by any OBGYN, except abortion.

 

[GospelOfMatthew]

Planned Parenthood offers abortions and free contraception. Also cancer screening. Two of those things are not like the other… one good deed does not allow the two disordered deeds to go unnoticed

 

[laylow]

Let’s not forget, Abby worked for Planned Parenthood, there should be no confusion about this, she was weaned on them and eventually, came to change her mind about everything.

So I’ve almost seen some arguments that from the get-go, seem wrong.

She knows, she’s been a worker, perhaps even the boss at a Planned Parenthood clinic. A number of doctors have gone from abortionist to pro-life. So, if one is trying to discount first hand experiences, good luck.

Actually eyewitness testimony is one of the most unreliable methods of gathering empirical facts that is used.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

And Abby’s story has been contested:

The Convert

After a sudden pang of conscience, former Bryan Planned Parenthood director Abby Johnson became a pro-life activist and a star on the conservative talk show circuit. But is she telling the truth?

www.texasmonthly.com

However, for fun, let’s assume everything she said is true. It would still only be one portrayal of one clinic. That would be like saying that every church has child molesters because some of the churches are…not accurate.

 

[laylow]

Do you work for planned parenthood or something?

No, my goal is to arrive at the most likely empirical truth. Based on your comment, it appears you feel that bias is necessary in order for a view to disagree with yours. Bias is one of the biggest barriers. That is exactly what I am emphasizing concentrating on reducing.

 

[laylow]

All of the undercover candid videos done by Project Veritas would beg to differ. There is NOTHING planned parenthood does that cannot be done by any OBGYN, except abortion.

Many health clinics are faith based. It can be hard for some to acquire birth control and other services that PP offers due to backlash, etc. PP exists in part due to barriers placed in front of these young people in regards to their reproductive health.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

I’m fairly certain that the Catholic Church is the only faith that is opposed to contraceptives.

 

[laylow]

Planned Parenthood offers abortions and free contraception. Also cancer screening. Two of those things are not like the other… one good deed does not allow the two disordered deeds to go unnoticed

Arguing a secular issue with faith statements isn’t likely to get very far. The majority of the world has no issue with birth control, including many, many Christians. In my opinion the goal should be to reduce abortions. Birth control provides the most effective method, according to studies. Legality will do little to reduce numbers (if history is any indication).

 

[Bushum]

Did you purposefully ignore the first part of my reply in reference to Project Veritas or do you not know to what I’m referring? If it’s the latter, they have multiple undercover videos showing that planned parenthood is a baby parts mill that sells the tissue to the highest bidder. If its the former I would assert that ignoring an argument you don’t agree with is even worse than arguing against a straw man which you accused someone of earlier.

As for your reply about birth control, I can’t think of anything to say less crude than that is a ridiculous argument. Birth control is laughably easy to get and can be had for no cost even to middle class women let alone those living in poverty. Again any OBGYN can prescribe birth control. This argument is constantly used by the likes of planned parenthood and single payer healthcare system advocates. As much as you claim to be trying to use unbiased information you seem to be using a lot of talking points from the pro abortion side. Easily and repeatedly refuted talking points at that.

 

[laylow]

Did you purposefully ignore the first part of my reply in reference to Project Veritas or do you not know to what I’m referring? If it’s the latter, they have multiple undercover videos showing that planned parenthood is a baby parts mill that sells the tissue to the highest bidder. If its the former I would assert that ignoring an argument you don’t agree with is even worse than arguing against a straw man which you accused someone of earlier.

I do not know a lot about it. What I know is that it is ran by James O’Keefe, a conservative political activist who is a controversial figure. His methods are questioned, and he is widely considered a pseudo-journalist. If and when corruption is found, it will go through the legal process like anything else.

Do I think there are instances of money-hungry Directors trying to up abortion numbers to pad their salary? Probably. In a capitalist market, that’s the kind of greed and selfishness that ensues. It’s part of the system. If you live by the system, that it has to be allowed to play out. These people will be outed and turned in if anyone has the guts to do it. If we shut down every organization for such things, we wouldn’t have any left.

As for your reply about birth control, I can’t think of anything to say less crude than that is a ridiculous argument. Birth control is laughably easy to get and can be had for no cost even to middle class women let alone those living in poverty. Again any OBGYN can prescribe birth control. This argument is constantly used by the likes of planned parenthood and single payer healthcare system advocates.

Maybe so. I based it on many conversations I have had with people, so it must be answered why these people feel so much more comfortable going to PP instead of an OBGYN?

 

[Bushum]

I hope we can all agree that even the “many” people you have spoken to is still anecdotal considering there are 350 million people in this country alone. I have heard the opposite from women I know which is equally irrelevant. The fact is birth control is widely covered 100% over a large portion of insurance be it private or government run.

 

[Bushum]

James O’Keefe, a conservative political activist who is a controversial figure. His methods are questioned, and he is widely considered a pseudo-journalist.

Of course he is considered controversial, to the leftist death culture that he is laying bare. I question CNN as a whole and consider them a pseudo news organization. So what?

 

[laylow]

I hope we can all agree that even the “many” people you have spoken to is still anecdotal considering there are 350 million people in this country alone. I have heard the opposite from women I know which is equally irrelevant.

Yes

The fact is birth control is widely covered 100% over a large portion of insurance be it private or government run.

Some parents may not allow their kids to use their health insurance for BC.

Some may not have adequate health insurance

 

[laylow]

Of course he is considered controversial, to the leftist death culture that he is laying bare. I question CNN as a whole and consider them a pseudo news organization. So what?

There are commonly accepted standards of efficacity in any field whether you believe in their conclusions or not. Questioning the entire CNN network because you disagree with their views would be considered an exaggerated view by most. But it does go to show how far our divide has come. It is scary really. I think we are already encroaching on having major challenges just to acquire adequate news.

 

[Bushum]

Using words like “some” and “may” does not exactly exude factual confidence.

I don’t know if you are trying to play devil’s advocate or the objective third party position but it is clear that you do have a bias that is pro abortion and pro planned parenthood and that is fine, from a debate standpoint not a moral one in my opinion.

 

[Bushum]

Questioning the entire CNN network because you disagree with their views would be considered an exaggerated view by most.

No question. I was using hyperbole to prove a point. The claims against O’Keefe are politically motivated.

Undercover expose* ( I don’t know how to make the emplahasis mark on my phone!) used to be heralded as great journalism. Now that it goes against the left it is all of the sudden controversial.

 

[laylow]

I don’t know if you are trying to play devil’s advocate or the objective third party position but it is clear that you do have a bias that is pro abortion and pro planned parenthood and that is fine, from a debate standpoint not a moral one in my opinion.

I won’t get into all of this, but I don’t know one person who is "pro-abortion.’’ It’s more, pro-don’t-tell-other-people-what-to-do with their lives.

 

[laylow]

The claims against O’Keefe are politically motivated.

There is an easy way to challenge that. Have O’Keefe truthfully investigate a “right” issue (never happen) and see how that goes.

 

[Bushum]

Media bias is nothing new. The problem is it normally comes from the left and is great. Now that it goes the other way there is a problem all of the sudden. The negative coverage of President Trump is in the 90+% range and the positive stuff he does is largely ignored.

 

[laylow]

Media bias is nothing new. The problem is it normally comes from the left and is great. Now that it goes the other way there is a problem all of the sudden. The negative coverage of President Trump is in the 90+% range and the positive stuff he does is largely ignored.

As with all media, they harp on the bad things and concentrate sparsely on the good. That’s the case whether it is news, politics, whatever. The reality is the right doesn’t trust the left, and vice-versa. It’s hard to find reality, so I read and view both sides as much as I feel like spending time on it, which is decreasing more all of the time.

I will allow you the last word, I will try not to further confiscate the thread that I have already largely contributed to pulling off the tracks.