US bishops warn of errors in feminist sister's book

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But, more important: Because of Sister’s response, do you suspect that the Bishops were incompetent to “interpret” her book? If her book is confusing to Bishops, how on earth is a college student supposed to interpret it?
Quest for the Living God is not difficult to interpret for anyone trained in theology. There is nothing in the book that my undergraduates cannot understand once they are introduced to the philosophical and theological language. I have used some books that proved to be less accessible, and dropped them when I found they simply were not helpful. For my master’s level classes *Quest *is a superb tool for updating students in a wide range of doctrinal areas. I believe that is why it is so widely assigned. And sales are never hurt by the book receiving this kind of public attention – I posted about it on Facebook and a number of friends have run out to order it!
 
What if you are right? I don’t think you are, but what if? What if the Bishops misinterpreted Sister’s writings? All the more reason for a cautionary warning. This book is being marketed for classroom use. If trained theologians like our Bishops so easily misunderstood the material, what hope do college kids have?
The material is not easily misunderstood. Am I the only one on this thread who has read Elizabeth Johnson’s work? Are you all condemning it without having opened it? The Bible itself has far more that could be misunderstood, and yet we allow even children to read that book!
 
I think that is a very good question, and no doubt lay in the minds of the bishops’ committee. Of course, a classroom text is read with the guidance of the instructor, who shapes the discussion and understanding. Still, the question remains, can a professor other than the author explain her views as well as Sr. Elizabeth and in a way which does not leave the impressions which the bishops came to.
This is an excellent point. Texts are read with the guidance of the instructor. I am sure it is also on the minds of the Bishops how much error is currently being taught in “Catholic” institutions of higher learning, including some big name professors who are far from orthodox in thier work. The Pope even called them (the Bishops and college presidents) to task for not ensuring the Catholicity of our colleges and universities.

My question would be – can a professor explain Sr. Elizabeth’s views in a way that leaves the students more committed to Catholic teaching rather than less?
 
The material is not easily misunderstood. Am I the only one on this thread who has read Elizabeth Johnson’s work? Are you all condemning it without having opened it?
I have neither condemned it, nor embraced it. I have done so because I have not read it.

To be fair, I think most of us believed that this affair had blown over. Until you posted a couple days ago, the thread had been silent for two months. However, now we see that the issue is very much alive and will likely be discussed for months into the future.

Certainly the discussion would be enhanced if more of us read the book. Since it is unlikely that our local public library stocks it, and many of us will not live near a Catholic university, we will probably have to buy it. If anyone is concerned about rewarding Sr. Elizabeth with the profits of the book sale, second-hand copies are readily available through a number of online outlets.
 
The material is not easily misunderstood. Am I the only one on this thread who has read Elizabeth Johnson’s work? Are you all condemning it without having opened it? The Bible itself has far more that could be misunderstood, and yet we allow even children to read that book!
I am not condeming the book at all. This is not a thread for book reviews. This is a thread to discuss the Bishops’ warning. One does not need to have read the book to have a discussion on this topic.

FWIW, I have read some of Sister’s work though not this book.
 
I am not condeming the book at all. This is not a thread for book reviews. This is a thread to discuss the Bishops’ warning. One does not need to have read the book to have a discussion on this topic.
On the contrary, one does indeed need to have read the book. On this thread I have seen distortions, calumnies, slanders and innuendos launched against Sister Johnson and other theologians by people who know nothing of Elizabeth Johnson’s work other than its misrepresentation by others. You cannot honestly discuss a book you have not yourself read. As I tell my doctoral students in theology at the beginning of a new seminar, “you are not entitled to criticize another person’s position until you have demonstrated that you yourself can represent it fairly and accurately.” This has not yet been done.

StAnastasia
 
Actually, since I am a theologian, I suppose you could say I have a clear and present bias in favor of theology and of the truthful representation of what theologians actually say. That’s one of the things I liked best about bishop John Cummins, who was deeply engaged with the dialogue between theology and the modern world.
Yanno……in my theology courses, we were taught that its purpose should be to serve faith – to expand religious conviction and deepen obedience, not throw down a gauntlet between reason and faith (or truth.) Far be it from me to argue with the experts, but if the intelligentsia does not first and foremost succumb to the “obedience of faith” as infused by God….well, wow! Where does that leave us?
What really is at stake is the preservation of Catholic dogma. Slamming Bishops by saying in post 17 “Most bishops are not theologically trained.” ignores the presence of the Holy Spirit Who has guided the Catholic Church since Pentecost. You may slam Bishops until the cows come home, but the truth of the matter is that when the Bishops meet in a major Church Council, all yield to the wisdom of the Holy Spirit when it comes to Divine Revelation.

Slamming Bishops will never change Catholic theology into secular or “modernism” theology.

Personally, I am grateful to the Bishops who are deeply concerned about the preservation of Catholic dogma.
👍 👍

And then there is that rather annoying matter of *analogia fidei *which confirms that there is a cohesiveness to all revealed truth and an inter-connectedness to all dogma which may not be broken by any lofty reflections.
 
I’m just gathering information from where I left off on page 2. 🙂

From the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops:
*11-078
April 18, 2011
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Doctrine Committee Chairman Gives Rationale for Critiquing Quest for the Living God

Cites bishops’ role to teach faith in its entirety
Voices concern for poor catechesis since seventies
Notes bishops and theologians must show mutual respect, support

WASHINGTON (April 18, 2011)—Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington, chair of the U.S. Bishops’ Committee on Doctrine, sent a resource to bishops, April 18, outlining the relationship between bishops and theologians.

Cardinal Wuerl acted in light of interest in a March 24 Doctrine Committee critique of the book Quest for the Living God: Mapping the Frontiers of the Theology of God, by Sister Elizabeth A. Johnson, a Sister of St. Joseph of Brentwood, New York and professor at Fordham University. He particularly cited criticism from the Catholic Theological Society of America.

The Doctrine Committee asserted in late March that Quest for the Living God as a work of Catholic theology “does not take the faith of the Church as its starting point” and said “the author employs standards from outside the faith to criticize and to revise in a radical fashion the conception of God revealed in Scripture and taught by the Magisterium.”

In the April 18 document, “Bishops as Teachers: A Resource for Bishops,” Cardinal Wuerl stresses that “it is the specific competence and responsibility of bishops to teach the faith in its entirety.” He cites the 1992 document from the Committee on Doctrine, The Teaching Ministry of the Diocesan Bishop, that asserts that bishops “are to determine authoritatively the correct interpretation of the Scripture and tradition committed to the Church…and they are to judge for the Church the accuracy of the presentation of this revelation by others.”
The resource can be found at www.usccb.org/doctrine/BISHOPS-AS-TEACHERS-%20CARDINAL-WUERL-4-18-11.pdf

Cardinal Wuerl highlights the importance of the role of theologians and their necessary interrelationship with bishops.

“It is the privilege of theologians to delve more profoundly and systematically into the meaning of the faith, according to the ancient adage, fides quaerens intellectum (faith seeking understanding). Since this faith is handed on by the Church through the ministry of the magisterium, the bishop and the theologian have a special relationship that can and should be reciprocally enriching.” He cites again The Teaching Ministry of the Diocesan Bishop, which states that “the Church cannot exist without the teaching office of the bishop, nor thrive without the sound scholarship of the theologian. Bishops and theologians are in a collaborative relationship. Bishops benefit from the work of theologians, while theologians gain a deeper understanding of revelation under the guidance of the magisterium. The ministry of bishops and the service rendered by theologians entail a mutual respect and support.”

Cardinal Wuerl likens the bishop to a referee in a sports match, and states that it is the responsibility of the bishop to step in at certain points and to declare that certain theological ideas are not in accord with the faith of the Church.

“To be sure, as in other disciplines the most effective check on fruitless investigation is the vigorous exercise of peer review, critique, and dialogue, as once was a strong tradition in the theological disciplines,” he says. “When that peer review is absent or ineffective, however, it is the responsibility of the bishop to make the call and to declare, if necessary, certain notions out of bounds, the bounds of Christian revelation.”

The statement notes that since Quest for the Living God is being used at the college undergraduate level, the Doctrine Committee needed to highlight its deficiencies.

“The book in question is an already published work not primarily directed to professional theologians for theological speculation, but rather one used as a teaching instrument for undergraduate students, many of whom are looking for grounding in their Catholic faith,” Cardinal Wuerl says. “The background against which the bishops must exercise their teaching responsibility today is the generally recognized catechetical deficiencies of past decades beginning with the 1970s. The result is a generation or more of Catholics, including young adults today, who have little solid intellectual formation in their faith. It is in this context that books used in religious studies/theology courses at Catholic colleges and universities must be seen as de facto catechetical and formational texts. While the content of a book may be highly speculative and of interest for trained theologians, when it is used in a classroom with students often ill-prepared to deal with speculative theology the results can be spiritually harmful. The bishops are rightly concerned about the spiritual welfare of those students using this book who may be led to assume that its content is authentic Catholic teaching. The Committee on Doctrine expresses serious concern about the pastoral implications of the teaching in this book.” *[snip]

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usccb.org/comm/archives/2011/11-078.shtml

Another article from the USCCB:
usccb.org/comm/archives/2011/11-078.shtml

People will have to read online the two articles. I don’t have enough space in this post to print them in their entirety. I hope I can trust the Bishops.🙂 Honestly, I’m more interested in reading two new science books that recently came out. 😃 I hope everyone has a wonderful day. I’m far too busy to be arguing on the Internet. It isn’t really all that cool to me.
 
Quest for the Living God is not difficult to interpret for anyone trained in theology. There is nothing in the book that my undergraduates cannot understand once they are introduced to the philosophical and theological language. I have used some books that proved to be less accessible, and dropped them when I found they simply were not helpful. **For my master’s level classes *Quest ***is a superb tool for updating students in a wide range of doctrinal areas. I believe that is why it is so widely assigned. And sales are never hurt by the book receiving this kind of public attention – I posted about it on Facebook and a number of friends have run out to order it!
Emphasis mine.

Updating?
Yes, updating.
Sounds strange that centuries old doctrinal areas of Catholicism need updating. Ooops. It is the book which is updating students in a wide range of doctrinal areas. Maybe this is different from Catholic theology found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition.
Say what?
Guess it is time to find some old CAF posts which describe what theology really means in the light of today’s …
 
Emphasis mine.

Updating?
Yes, updating.
Sounds strange that centuries old doctrinal areas of Catholicism need updating. Ooops. It is the book which is updating students in a wide range of doctrinal areas. Maybe this is different from Catholic theology found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition.
Say what?
Guess it is time to find some old CAF posts which describe what theology really means in the light of today’s …
Kudos to Sister Johnson’s defender for honesty: She freely admits that she is modernist. However, to me it is eminently clear that modernists are dissatisfied with the Church as it is, and seek to apply pressure, through a variety of means, to alter some fundamental Church practices, if not basic beliefs. Modernists seek, for their own pleasure, to impose their personally held heterodox beliefs on the majority of the faithful. Short of that, they will settle for the majority tolerating their worldly views being insinuated into the purity of the faith. In the case of University professors, it appears that they seek to mold the next generation via the inculcation of their revisionist ideas. All of this is subversive by its very nature.

The book in question uses non-Christian sources in a critique of Christianity. How brazen! Would they then support the principles of Christianity to be applied in critiques of the scientific realm? I can already hear the squeals of protest! Should we therefore apply economic theory to a critique of medical beliefs, or molecular biology in our critique of social science? Aside from making no practical sense, it would lead to unwarranted and corrosive changes in those other areas of endeavor.

There is a spirit which fosters such thinking, and it is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit leads to unity, obedience, peace. It is the demon that divides and causes dissension. Something is impelling such thought in our culture; something is promoting the subversion of revealed truths. That which the Father hides from the wise and learned, He reveals to the little children. As Francis Cardinal Arinze stated in response to a question regarding pro-abortion Catholic politicians presenting themselves for holy Communion: “You do not need a Cardinal to answer that. Just ask any of the children preparing for First Communion. They can answer you”.
 
However, to me it is eminently clear that modernists are dissatisfied with the Church as it is, and seek to apply pressure, through a variety of means, to alter some fundamental Church practices, if not basic beliefs.
Do you have any evidence to substantiate this assertion?
Modernists seek, for their own pleasure, to impose their personally held heterodox beliefs on the majority of the faithful.
Do you have any evidence to substantiate this assertion?
Short of that, they will settle for the majority tolerating their worldly views being insinuated into the purity of the faith.
Do you have any evidence to substantiate this assertion?
In the case of University professors, it appears that they seek to mold the next generation via the inculcation of their revisionist ideas.
Do you have any evidence to substantiate this assertion?
 
You cannot honestly discuss a book you have not yourself read. As I tell my doctoral students in theology at the beginning of a new seminar, “you are not entitled to criticize another person’s position until you have demonstrated that you yourself can represent it fairly and accurately.” This has not yet been done.
StAnastasia
Have you read “Signature in the Cell” yet?

Physician heal thyself.
 
po18guy
However, to me it is eminently clear…
Do you have any evidence to substantiate this assertion?

Do you have any evidence to substantiate this assertion?

Do you have any evidence to substantiate this assertion?

Do you have any evidence to substantiate this assertion?
You don’t need evidence to substantiate personal opinion.

Repeating yourself like this just makes you sound rude.
 
po18guy
You don’t need evidence to substantiate personal opinion.
Ah – I suspected it was just personal opinion! Without evidence to back it up, it sounds like yours is based on fear of an educated female theologian faithful to her vocation…
 
However, to me it is eminently clear that modernists are dissatisfied with the Church as it is, and seek to apply pressure, through a variety of means, to alter some fundamental Church practices, if not basic beliefs.
Do you have any evidence to substantiate this assertion?
Regarding “if not basic beliefs” (post 90)
To answer your question “Do you have any evidence to substantiate this assertion?”

Would a theologian’s CAF posts deploring the reality of two, sole parents of humanity do? Just asking.😉
 
Would a theologian’s CAF posts deploring the reality of two, sole parents of humanity do? Just asking.😉
Do you have any evidence that any theologian has deplored this? Or are you just making it up?
 
Ah – I suspected it was just personal opinion! Without evidence to back it up, it sounds like yours is based on fear of an educated female theologian faithful to her vocation…
It wasn’t my opinion. The post you referred to was by po18guy. You chopped his name off when you tried to use the quote function.

This is a discussion forum. Personal opinion is the expectation, not the exception.

His opionion is no less valid than yours - such as:
Her book is an excellent work in theology.
On this thread I have seen distortions, calumnies, slanders and innuendos launched against Sister Johnson and other theologians by people who know nothing of Elizabeth Johnson’s work other than its misrepresentation by others.
Since you haven’t read her book, that is your blasphemous and unsubstantiated assertion.
BTW, as a point of fact, not opinion, “blasphemy” is to “show contempt or lack of reverence for God”. No assertion about a book or even about a Religious Sister, can be “blasphemous”.
 
I haven’t read the book and probably won’t waste my time with it. Coming from a modernist, feminist, and non-habit wearing nun, it doesn’t surprise me that the Bishops saw problems with it. Good for them.

I did review a couple of sections from the Bishops statement - this one caught my eye:
www.usccb.org/doctrine/statement-quest-for-the-living-god-2011-03-24.pdf

New Names for the Unknown God (page 12/21)
Sr. Johnson argues that women “have experienced strong discomfort with the dominant images of God as father, lord, and king” (96) and that female language for God is not only permissible but neccessary. For Sr. Johnson, language for God should be analzyed not primarily in terms of its adequacy for expressing the reality of God - all human language fails to attain the reality of God – but in terms of socio-political effects. She see God-language as a human construction that is created in a particular socio-political context and reflects socio-political power relations. In her view, the traditional Christian language for God arises from a patriarchal social structure in which men posses the preponderance of power…:eek:

Disturbing stuff.
 
BTW, as a point of fact, not opinion, “blasphemy” is to “show contempt or lack of reverence for God”. No assertion about a book or even about a Religious Sister, can be “blasphemous”.
just to clarify:

The prohibition of blasphemy extends to language against Christ’s Church, the saints, and sacred things.
 
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