US is‘worst’ imperialist: archbishop

[Wolseley]

Talk to me about the Red Army defeating 80% of the Nazi frontline on D-Day on the Eastern Front.

If I may be permitted a short hijack…

I’ve heard this line about the USSR being the one that really won World War II by destroying the Wehrmacht in the East, and that’s true—up to a point. However, that fact would have a whole lot more punch if it weren’t for the fact that United States provided approximately 80% of the Soviet Union’s war matériel. They didn’t build that stuff on their own; we gave it to them.

Ever hear of Lend Lease? If it hadn’t been for the fact that Soviet tanks and airplanes were being built out of American steel and aluminum, that the Red Army was being clothed with uniforms made out of American cloth, that Soviet factories were being provided with American tools and equipment, and the Soviet military and war workers were being fed with American food, Hitler’s troops would have been celebrating Christmas on the outskirts of Krasnoyarsk by December of 1942.

So who won World War II in the East?

The Russians provided the manpower. The Americans provided the arms and equipment.

The list below is the amount of war matériel shipped to the Soviet Union through the Lend-Lease program from its beginning until 30 September 1945:

Aircraft: 14,795
Tanks: 7,056
Jeeps: 51,503
Trucks: 375,883
Motorcycles: 35,170
Tractors: 8,071
Guns: 8,218
Machine guns: 131,633
Explosives: 345,735 tons
Building equipment: valued $10,910,000
Railroad freight cars: 11,155
Locomotives: 1,981
Cargo ships: 90
Submarine hunters: 105
Torpedo boats: 197
Ship engines: 7,784
Food supplies: 4,478,000 tons
Machines and equipment: valued $1,078,965,000
Non-ferrous metals: 802,000 tons
Petroleum products: 2,670,000 tons
Chemicals: 842,000 tons
Cotton: 106,893,000 tons
Leather: 49,860 tons
Tires: 3,786,000
Army boots: 15,417,001 pairs.

This doesn’t include the amount of stuff their spies were stealing from us all throughout the war, the amount of material bound for other places that they hijacked and re-routed to themselves, or such things as B-29’s that were forced to land in Russia after incurring battle damage from the Japanese and were impounded and never returned by the Soviets. They sent the crews back; but kept the aircraft.

Just wanted to clear that up.

Now returning you to your regularly scheduled thread.

 

[roymckenzie]

Disagree. One could say the Church has no competence to demand changes in the laws regulating abortion, labour laws and social aid, criminal laws, you get the point. In every moral matter, the Church is competent to voice an opinion. Especially if that opinion is that aid should not be given to “allies” who rape nuns.

If you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, a true and sure norm, you will see that abortion is always and everywhere and intrinsically evil act. The USCCB has a very limited area of competence each and every one of them are free to give their opinion on the validity of the war, and labor law, governmental social aid and criminal law but those are opinions and have no binding authority. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church it leaves the singular authority to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good (the government). No where does the Catechism give the authority for war to any Church official.

 

[roymckenzie]

I couldn’t agree more and I’m all for the war in Afghanistan…but not one in Iraq built on a lie of WMDs

I need to suggest to you that the burden of proof is on you to show how the war was all about weapon s of mass destruction.

Listed below is a chronology of key developments in Iraq’s

WMD programs, including the latest U.S. and UN concerns.
Iraq has produced several thousand tons of chemical weapons over the last 20 years. Iraq had roughly 1,000 metric tons of chemical weapons on hand when it invaded Kuwait, split roughly equally between blister agents and nerve agents.

March 16, 1988 — Iraqi President Saddam Hussein attacks the Iranian occupied Kurdish town of Halabja with chemical weapons killing 5,000 civilians.

Iraq had a crash effort in 1990 to recover enriched fuel from nuclear reactors in an attempt to build a weapon by 1991. Coalition aircraft destroyed the facilities on Jan. 17, 1991.

The UN inspection regime (UNSCOM) destroyed more than 27,000 chemical bombs, artillery shells and rockets, including 30 Scud missile warheads. About 500 tons of mustard and nerve agents and thousands of tons of precursor chemicals (choline and phosphorus pentasulfide for example) were also destroyed.

Iraq admitted prior to the Gulf War that it maintained large stockpiles of mustard gas and the nerve agents Sarin (GB) and Tabun (GA).

Iraq had a large VX production underway, and has not offered any evidence that the capability and stockpile have been destroyed. In 1996, Iraq admitted it had produced at least 3.9 tons of VX and at least 600 tons of ingredients to make it. (It is one of the deadliest forms of nerve gas and easily storable.)

Defection of Iraqi Lt. Gen. Hussein Majid, formerly in charge of WMD programs, led Iraq to admit its bio-weapon program in August 1995. Baghdad admitted to producing 90,000 liters of Botulinium toxin, 8,300 liters of Anthrax, and significant quantities of other agents, plus a laboratory and industrial-scale facility to continue production.

Defectors reported in December 2001 and March 2002 the existence of mobile germ laboratories disguised as milk delivery trucks, and a network of underground bunkers for chemical and biological weapons production. U.S. officials released evidence on March 8, 2002, allegedly showing that Iraq has been converting dump trucks bought through a UN humanitarian program into military vehicles, in violation of UN sanctions. An Iraqi defector stated that he had converted Renault trucks into mobile laboratories with incubators for bacteria, microscopes and air conditioning.

Intelligence reports indicate that Iraq is also developing newer and longer range missiles, with initial ranges of 600-700 miles; far enough to hit Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Ankara in Turkey, Cairo and Alexandria in Egypt, and Tehran in Iran. During Desert Storm, Iraq launched some 45 Scud missiles: one at Bahrain, five or six at Saudi Arabia, and 39 into Israel. Development of the Al Samoud liquid-propellant missile is ongoing; Iraq also is actively developing solid-propellant engines to build a multi-stage surface-to-surface missile.

 

[roymckenzie]

Sources:
Richard Butler, “The Greatest Threat”, Uncorrected Proof, New York, N.Y., Public Affairs 2000.
Cordesman, Anthony H., U.S.Forces In The Middle East, Resources and Capabilities, Boulder, CO; Westview Press, 1997.
Newsweek (Web exclusive), “Access Must Be Unrestricted,” April 15, 2002.
Greg Jaffe, “Skepticism Of New Weapons Search In Iraq Seems To Counter Bush Call,” Wall Street Journal, April 16, 2002.
Colum Lynch, “Annan Urges Iraq To Permit Arms Inspectors’ Return,” The Washington Post, March 8, 2002.
Chris Alden, “Defector Reveals Extent Of Iraqi Weapons Program,” The Guardian, April 4, 2002.
Chronology of UN inspections derived from an October 1998 UNSCOM document.
Howard Schneider and Walter Pincus, “Iraq And U.N. To Talk Today About Weapon Inspectors,” The Washington Post, May 1, 2002.

 

[CHCatholic]

youtube.com/watch?v=f_A77N5WKWM

Bush specifically states “The Main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we believed he had WMDs…turns out he didn’t”

Watching the news before the war started all you heard about was WMDs, Bush administration said they were certain they had WMDs and they didn’t.

Don’t give me this “we’re helping the Iraqis” business because that was not your intention which got you in there in the first place.

 

[Robert_Bay]

GENERAL REMINDER

This thread is wandering, please return to the topic of the original post.

 

[OriginalJS]

I really don’t care what the Archbishop of Canterbury says on temporal matters. I wonder how many boots he has on the ground in troubled spots in the world. Probably none. His type like to sit in ivory towers and pontificate. He should stick to spiritual issues and leave international politics to those who have some expertise.

 

[redmars3000]

Archbishop of Canterbury, like another poster said, is trying to stay relevant. It is trendy to bash the U.S. without evidence.

For a citizen of Britain to say such a thing given England’s own non-equivocal Imperialism that existed not even 100 years ago is extrememly hypocritical. And then to say we are the worst? How often did Britain spend billions on a country they conquered while at the same time giving them autonomy willingly? Outrageous!

 

[Dale_M]

What is interesting is that you would use national catholic reporter as a viable source. It doesn’t really matter if he only had 4 of them to call you out on, the fact that you used them to begin with taints any credibility of the others, therefore tainting the credibility of your argument.

Oh, it does not.

Three of the four NCR pieces were written by John Allen, who has a solid journalistic reputation and whom CAF considers to be a “generally-reliable Catholic source”. If you object to the content of the pieces, please do be specific about why you disagree with what was written.

That said, I think the Archbishop of Canterbury was reckless in his comments, although I suppose they won him some points with his audience.

 

[redmars3000]

Oh, it does not.

Three of the four NCR pieces were written by John Allen, who has a solid journalistic reputation and whom CAF considers to be a “generally-reliable Catholic source”. If you object to the content of the pieces, please do be specific about why you disagree with what was written.

That said, I think the Archbishop of Canterbury was reckless in his comments, although I suppose they won him some points with his audience.

I am not saying that her argument has no merit at all, only that by using biased sources, it implies a lack of rigour in the research. It makes her case not nearly as strong.

 

[RomanCrusader]

Typical nonsense. Islam and Communism are far more imperialist.

 

[Shoshana]

I am not saying that her argument has no merit at all, only that by using biased sources, it implies a lack of rigour in the research. It makes her case not nearly as strong.

And if you would have read the articles you would have known what Dale has said. You just seem to like to argue without merit…

 

[redmars3000]

If you have formed opinion, or have reinforced your opinions, with biased sources, like National Catholic Reporter, your believability is less.

nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/word0228.htm

Biased

Catholic moralists warn against U.S. war plans
ncronline.org/NCR_Online/arch…98/022098c.htm

Biased

Milwaukee Jesuits oppose military action in Iraq
The Rev. Thomas Caldwell said anti-war sentiment is strong among Marquette’s Jesuits, who are in general agreement with the shared stance from Jesuits and Catholics nationally and worldwide. Source: Marquette Tribune, Feb 27, 2003
134.48.55.172:8000/tribune/tribunegetnews.shtml?n-jesuits022703

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U.S. ambassador to Vatican rejects criticism of unilateralism on Iraq
U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican Jim Nicholson rejected criticism of U.S. “unilateralism” on Iraq, saying the United Nations has already provided for the possibility of armed intervention if Iraq refuses to disarm.
The ambassador’s comments followed a statement by Archbishop Jean-Louis Tauran, a Vatican foreign affairs official, who said a U.S. attack on Iraq without U.N. authorization would be a “crime against peace” and a violation of international law. Source: Catholic News Service, Feb 27, 2003
catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/20030226.htm

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Priest urges war alternative
A Catholic priest and chaplain during the Vietnam War told a meeting of the Leelanau County Democrats Wednesday that Americans need to embrace a non-violent solution to the crisis in Iraq. Source: Traverse City Record-Eagle, Feb 27, 2003
record-eagle.com/2003/feb/27priest.htm

Does not say the war is Immoral.

Vatican official, Muslim leader send letters to Bush, Blair, Saddam
A Muslim leader and a Vatican official have asked U.S. President George W. Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to avoid war. Source: Catholic News Service, Feb 25, 2003
catholicnews.com/data/briefs/cns/20030225.htm#head6

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Anti-war prayer vigil unites Catholics
More than 100 area Catholics prayed for a peaceful solution to a possible war with Iraq at a prayer vigil Sunday at Ss. Simon and Jude Catholic Church in Bethlehem. Source: Allentown Morning Call, Feb 24, 2003
story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/trib/20030224/lo_mcall/anti_war_prayer_vigil_unites_catholics

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[redmars3000]

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Anti-war prayer vigil unites Catholics
More than 100 area Catholics prayed for a peaceful solution to a possible war with Iraq at a prayer vigil Sunday at Ss. Simon and Jude Catholic Church in Bethlehem. Source: Allentown Morning Call, Feb 24, 2003
story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/trib/20030224/lo_mcall/anti_war_prayer_vigil_unites_catholics

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Pope calls for all Catholics to fast on March 5 against war in Iraq
Pope John Paul II called on Catholics to fast on Ash Wednesday in the name of peace and said again on Sunday he worried a U.S.-led war against Iraq could unsettle the entire Middle East. Source: AP, Feb 24, 2003
story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030223/ap_to_po/vatican_iraq_1

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Vatican - Not anti-US, just anti-war
As the possibility of war in Iraq grows, the Church is also feeling the heat. The repeated pleas for peace issued by the Pope, members of the Roman Curia and assorted bishops’ conferences have been criticized by some observers as evidence of either unjustified interference, mere pacifism or not-so-subtle anti-Americanism. On closer examination, however, none of these charges holds water. Source: Manila Times, Feb 23, 2003
manilatimes.net/national/2003/feb/23/opinion/20030223opi3.html

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Vatican backs efforts to prevent Iraq war, disarm Saddam
Meanwhile, Catholic leaders and organizations joined a growing anti-war movement that stretched across the globe and spilled into the streets of major cities on every continent. Source; Catholic News Service, Feb 17, 2003
catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/20030217.htm

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Iraq’s Aziz to pray for peace
Iraq’s Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz is set to pray for peace at the tomb of Saint Francis in the central Italian city of Assis. Source; CNN, Jan 10, 2003
cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/02/10/italy.iraq/index.html

A story about a politician. Not even anti- Iraq war. He just wants peace! I want peace too, But not at the expense of my life!

Pope’s answer to Rumsfeld pulls no punches in opposing war
A senior Vatican official says that Catholic “just war” doctrine is undergoing an evolution similar to that on capital punishment, from grudging acceptance to a quasi-abolitionist stance. In both cases, he said, modern society has the means to resolve problems without the use of lethal force. Source: National Catholic Reporter, Feb 7, 2003
natcath.org/NCR_Online/archives/021403/021403e.htm

Biased- NCR

Vatican continues to oppose war
The Vatican’s official newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, walked up to the brink on Feb. 1 of calling American policy in Iraq stupid. Sourcee: National Catholic Reporter, Feb 7, 2003
nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/word0207.htm

Biased- NCR

Archbishop of Sydney: Not yet enough evidence for just war
To my mind, it is morally justifiable for the Australian navy to enforce the embargo on Iraq and for Australian troops to pressure the Iraq dictator to comply with the UN peace conditions he accepted in 1991. These are honourable activities. But the public evidence is as yet insufficient to justify going to war, especially without the backing of the UN Security Council. Source: The Australrian, Feb.4, 2003
theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,5930651%5E7583,00.html

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Asia Urges More Time for Iraq Inspections
In the Philippines, a mostly Roman Catholic country but with a large Muslim minority, politicians and church leaders have aired opposition to a strike against Iraq. Source: Cybercast News Service, Jan 30, 2003
cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archiv e\200301\FOR20030128g.html

Does not say the Iraq war is Immoral.

Pakistani Christians demonstrate against possible U.S.-Iraq war
LAHORE, Pakistan (CNS) – Pakistani Christians organized demonstrations to protest a possible U.S. war against Iraq. Organizers said they staged the events to assure Muslims that Christians have nothing to do with U.S. plans to attack Iraq. Source: Catholic News Service, Jan 29, 2003
catholicnews.com/data/briefs/cns/20030129.htm#head14

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[redmars3000]

Vatican criticism of war plans chills relations with U.S.
John Paul II repeatedly pleaded for peace over the Christmas holidays, joining his voice to his senior aides who for months have been expressing increasingly strident opposition to a U.S.-led military attack on Iraq. Though the pope only once mentioned Iraq by name, he used the platform offered by the holiday events to deliver a pointed antiwar message. Source: National Catholic Reporter, Jan. 24, 2003
natcath.org/NCR_Online/archives/012403/012403g.htm

National catholic reporter — again. Biased.

Why I Went to Baghdad
The General Secretary of the National Council of Churches explains why war with Iraq is “immoral and illegal.” Source: Beliefnet, 1/6/03
beliefnet.com/frameset.asp?pageLoc=/story/119/story_11954_1.html&boardID=50214

Your blurb is spoken by true protestants. " Dr. Bob Edgar, a United Methodist minister, led a 13-member religious leaders’ mission to Iraq during the first week of January. The group included other clergy and lay leaders from the United Methodist Church, United Church of Christ, Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), The Episcopal Church and Unitarian Universalist Association,"- Thats the opening paragraph! Why are you taking theological teaching from LIBERAL protestants?

War with Iraq could unleash the forces of evil
Military chaplain and deacon GARY STONE warns that Australia is being led into a war against Iraq which is morally and ethically unjustifiable
catholicleader.com.au/index.php?pgnum=2.5

You provided the wrong link. THis article has nothing to do about Iraq.

Iraq war ‘unjustifiable’, says Bush’s church head
President George Bush’s own Methodist church has launched a scathing attack on his preparations for war against Iraq, saying they are ‘without any justification according to the teachings of Christ’. Jim Winkler, head of social policy for United Methodists, added that all attempts at a ‘dialogue’ between the President and his own church over the war had fallen on deaf ears at the White House.
observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,815693,00.html

Again Protestant. I will not make moral opinions based on protestant teachings.

European bishops council calls war with Iraq ‘terrible prospect’
A council of European bishops has warned against the “terrible prospect” of armed conflict with Iraq. In an Oct. 6 statement, members of the Swiss-based Council of Catholic Episcopates of Europe urged politicians to remember “evil cannot be defeated by another evil.”
catholicnews.com/data/briefs/cns/20021008.htm#head9

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U.S. has double standards in dealing with Iraq’: Iraqi Catholic leader
Iraqi Catholic patriarch accuses the U.S. of using weapons of mass destruction against Iraqis during the Gulf War
thehilltimes.ca/2002/september/2/rana2/

Again, wrong link, this only takes you to the front page. I even looked for the article on it. Nowhere to be found.

Here are the tallies Shoshana:

5 articles from National catholic Reporter.
2 articles that have the wrong link. Wrong stories.
10 link dead articles
1 irrelevant article about a politician
2 articles who have opinions voiced by liberal protestants

and…
2 actually relevant articles.

Like I said, a lack of rigor and your argument is less credible.
The 5 NCR articles actually worked! 5 out of 10 article links that actually worked are from NCR. And you blame me for not believing you? Did you just google, “US imperialist- Immoral”?

Dale, did you actually try clicking on every link? I did. And how does one link to an article prove these stories from a news corp that is consistently at odds with Church teaching? And given that the majority of links she provided can’t even be accessed?

 

[Dale_M]

Dale, did you actually try clicking on every link? I did.

Yep, and as you pointed out most links were broken.

And how does one link to an article prove these stories from a news corp that is consistently at odds with Church teaching?

I agree that the National Catholic Reporter generally is suspect, but that doesn’t free us from thinking about what is written. If it is wrong, it should be simply a matter of pointing out the error.

The link I provided merely was to point out that John Allen, the reporter in the majority of the NCR pieces, is respected here at CAF. Dismissing his reporting out of hand simply because you don’t like his employer does him, and us, a disservice.

 

[Shoshana]

5 articles from National catholic Reporter.
I had already admitted that I did not know that National catholic Reporter was so liberal. I am not american, and, how many times must i tell you?

Like I said, a lack of rigor and your argument is less credible.
The 5 NCR articles actually worked! 5 out of 10 article links that actually worked are from NCR. And you blame me for not believing you? Did you just google, “US imperialist- Immoral”?

No I did not.

Dale, did you actually try clicking on every link? I did. And how does one link to an article prove these stories from a news corp that is consistently at odds with Church teaching?

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War protest
AUSTRALIA’S Catholic bishops, the nation’s leaders of religious institutes and the Australian Catholic Social Justice Council (ACSJC) have all condemned the deployment of Australian troops to the Middle East.

Their protests came as 350 Australian troops left for the Persian Gulf on January 23.

catholicleader.com.au/index.php?search=1203

Pope tells Blair to avoid war
VATICAN CITY (CNS): In a private audience with one of the staunchest supporters of possible military action against Iraq, Pope John Paul II told British Prime Minister Tony Blair to make every effort to avoid war and “spare the world new divisions”.

The encounter at the Vatican on February 22 was the most prominent in a week of meetings, speeches and peace initiatives by Church leaders at the Vatican and around the world.

The ACSJC questioned the so-called ‘pre-deployment’.

ACSJC chairman Bishop William Morris of Toowoomba said: ‘The decision to join the US military build-up in the Persian Gulf seems to contradict strong community sentiment and runs the risk of undermining United Nations processes which provide the best means of resolving tensions in the Middle East without recourse to war.
catholicleader.com.au/index.php?search=1203

War not just

AUSTRALIAN Catholic Bishops’ Conference president, Archbishop Francis Carroll of Canberra and Goulburn, remains unconvinced there is a case to justify a war with Iraq.

He made the point when he participated in an ABC Radio National public debate on the topic, Should We Go to War on Iraq?

During the debate, recorded at Canberra’s Old Parliament House in front of a live audience on February 6, Archbishop Carroll outlined the criteria for a just war.
catholicleader.com.au/index.php?search=1223

Pope sends personal envoy to meet Bush

VATICAN CITY (CNS): Intensifying a peace offensive built on prayers and diplomacy, Pope John Paul II sent a personal envoy to US President George W. Bush last week to underscore the Vatican’s opposition to a new war in Iraq.

“We need to explore every possible path to avoid war, which always brings with it grief and grave consequences for all,” the Pope said at a noon blessing on March 2.

catholicleader.com.au/index.php?search=1255

Warning on new reign of terror

ROME (CNS): The Vatican’s foreign affairs expert, Archbishop Jean-Louis Tauran, warned the war on Iraq would generate terrorism and seriously wound Christian-Muslim dialogue.

Archbishop Tauran, speaking late last month to an Italian Catholic weekly magazine, also said the war saddened him above all because of the ‘contempt (shown) for international law’.
catholicleader.com.au/index.php?search=1295

 

[redmars3000]

It is obvious you do not follow Catholic teaching also…

How can you know this? What evidence? And by what authority do you make this claim?

Moderator Help!

 

[redmars3000]

Shoshanna,

No where do any of your articles say:

“The war in Iraq is immoral and an unjust war. All faithful Catholics are obliged to oppose this war.”

Yes, I read them.

You cannot say that a catholic who supports the war in Iraq is not following Catholicism.

 

[Shoshana]

After I post a couple of articles from Zenit, I am outa here. Nit pick others if you wish and have fun. You are pro-Iraq and the church has said it was immoral. And this is why I said that you do not follow church traching!

No to War!" in Iraq and Holy Land, John Paul II Urges
It Is Always a Defeat for Humanity, He Emphasizes

VATICAN CITY, JAN. 13, 2003 (Zenit.org).- John Paul II urged an emphatic “No to war!” in Iraq and the Holy Land, when he received the ambassadors of the world accredited to the Vatican.

After referring to “the feeling of fear which often dwells in the hearts of our contemporaries,” and the “insidious terrorism capable of striking at any time anywhere,” as well as “the unresolved problem of the Middle East,” the Pope today exclaimed: “No to war! War is not always inevitable. It is always a defeat for humanity.”
zenit.org/article-6246?l=english

Iraqi Bishop Says War Wouldn’t Solve Anything

ROME, JAN. 29, 2003 (Zenit.org).- Chaldean-Catholic Archbishop Gabriel Kasab of Basora, in southern Iraq, roundly opposed a possible attack on that country and stressed that “war is destruction and is always a sin.”

Archbishop Kasab, who is currently in Vienna as a guest of Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, also criticized the economic sanctions dictated against Iraq after the Gulf War, which “intended something other” than what they have achieved.
zenit.org/article-6402?l=english

War in Iraq Would Spark a Tragedy, Says Indian Episcopate

NEW DELHI, India, FEB. 4, 2003 (Zenit.org).- An attack on Iraq, a nation already devastated by malnutrition, poverty and economic sanctions, would trigger a colossal tragedy, warn India’s bishops.

In a press statement today, the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India (CBCI) expresses its anxiety over the “clouds of war” hovering over West Asia.
zenit.org/article-6453?l=english

War Would Be a “Disgrace for Humanity,” Says Serbian Orthodox

VATICAN CITY, FEB. 6, 2003 (Zenit.org).- A representative of the Serbian Orthodox Patriarchate told John Paul II that a war against Iraq would be a “disgrace for humanity.”

zenit.org/article-6471?l=english