US position on Syria directly endorses terrorism - Lavrov

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austenbosten said:
Completely agree seekerz. There were Christians who supported the Franco, Hitler, Pavelić, and Mussolini regimes. I personally don’t blame the Syrain Christians for supporting Assad, if it means their protection and safety; but for an outsider to take a position based on relationships with a particular minority is ridiculous to me as well.
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History doesn’t generally regard with kindness the enablers of despots. I can see how it might be difficult for Syria’s Christians, but it might still not be too late to publicly break with Assad and align with the moderates among his opponents - although armed conflict does tend to turn moderates into extremists. I can see a role for Syrian Christians in at least putting pressure on Assad to temper his policies and cooperate with the international effort to bring peace. All might not be lost, if they accept that the writing is on the wall for Assad and if they assume an active and highly visible role in limiting further bloodshed. Of course that depends on how much influence they retain within the scheme of things…
 
Mickey said:
With all due respect. I have spoken with Lebanese Christians (even a Lebanese Catholic nun) and Syrian Christians who say that Hezbollah is not the terrorist…Israel is.
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Hezbollah runs Lebanon and murders its opponents. If you had to live there, you would probably say the same thing.

Assad, like every Middle Eastern ruler and would-be ruler (possibly excepting King Abdullah in Jordan), is a gangster. And even Abdullah is a hard-fisted man with his own armed loyalists in a country that could turn into a Syria in a heartbeat. The only true democracy operating under the rule of law in that whole place is Israel. And the only place in the Middle East where Christians are safe and their numbers are growing, is also Israel.
 
seekerz said:
History doesn’t generally regard with kindness the enablers of despots. I can see how it might be difficult for Syria’s Christians, but it might still not be too late to publicly break with Assad and align with the moderates among his opponents - although armed conflict does tend to turn moderates into extremists. I can see a role for Syrian Christians in at least putting pressure on Assad to temper his policies and cooperate with the international effort to bring peace. All might not be lost, if they accept that the writing is on the wall for Assad and if they assume an active and highly visible role in limiting further bloodshed. Of course that depends on how much influence they retain within the scheme of things…
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I think, in the end, we will find that there are no moderates either in the Assad government or in the leadership of its opponents. One gang of killers will replace another gang of killers. That’s all.
 
Seamus_L said:
Here’s an article from the allegedly anti-Christian news network Al-Manar, in support of religious freedom for the Copts www1.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?fromval=2&cid=19&frid=21&seccatid=19&eid=61739
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Thanks for that link. Coming from “an allegedly anti-Christian news network”, I think it does indicate that there is hope for moderate voices in Middle East politics. The idea is not to expect instant peace, love and harmony in the region, but to recognize - as the writer did - that opportunities for change do exist, particularly in places like Egypt with considerable numbers of young educated people seeking something more from life than conflict.
The national unity between Muslims and Copts, as expressed between youth in the protests in Tahrir square, is a very important sense of modernization and an example that change is possible.
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Mickey said:
Catholics and Orthodox on the ground in Syria are saying that the opposition are Islamic extremist terrorists. Don’t buy into the lies that the media feeds to you. I know people from Syria and they corroborate this. They would not say that Assad is “the good guy”…but he protects Christians. If he goes down…you will see the destruction of the monasteries and Churches…and the mass murder of Christians. Russia knows this…and we should too.

Here are a couple of links for you:
byztex.blogspot.com/2012/07/syrian-christians-fleeing-conflict.html

byztex.blogspot.com/2012/06/destruction-and-desecration-of-churches.html
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I am not defending the opposition as saints. I know too well that where there are Muslims there is war.
Simply Assad is doing the unthinkable: bombarding his own people.
Besides, no matter what the future holds for Syria, the succession in Syria cannot go on being a nepotism, son succeeding to father.
Now for radicals, of course I hope that they may win the war not the elections.
 
austenbosten said:
First of, it’s Ba’ath Party…not bath party.

Second, Assad doesn’t endorse or tolerate Islamofascism?
  • Assad has been accused of supporting the Insurgency of Iraq
  • Assad is known to support anti-Israeli groups
  • Assad said in 2006 “your warplanes, rockets, and your atomic bomb will not protect you in the future.” in regards to Israel…sounds more like something Amadenijadyabadabbado!
  • Assad supports Hezbollah and has criticised Hezbollahs critics
  • Assad demanded an apology from Pope JPII over the Crusades (yet never did the Muslims apologize for their actions)
Seriously dude…why do you speak of things you know nothing about? :nope:
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That crusade trauma in Muslims makes me nuts: Syria was Christian before Muslims took it !
 
For some time now I’ve been reading that there are CIA agents based in Southern Turkey, and that they are providing aid to the Rebels in Syria. Furthermore, along with the accusations from other countries that they are supplying Al-Qaeda, I’ve also seen admissions to the effect that it’s hard to tell exactly that aid ends up with.
Would the US government tolerate a convenience store owner writing big checks to questionable charities in the Middle East, with the excuse that "I have no way of knowing where the money ends up". I think we need a thorough investigation into the activities of the CIA in Southern Turkey, and if aid is going to Al-Qaeda, than the agents need to be arrested and charged with providing material support to a designated terorist organization.
 
Ridgerunner said:
If you had to live there, you would probably say the same thing…
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Say the same thing about what?
Ridgerunner said:
Assad, like every Middle Eastern ruler and would-be ruler (possibly excepting King Abdullah in Jordan), is a gangster.
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And the alternative of a country ruled by Al-Queda would be a peaceful bliss for Christians? Come on.
Ridgerunner said:
And the only place in the Middle East where Christians are safe and their numbers are growing, is also Israel.
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Interesting. I often hear that Christians are despised in Israel as they are beaten and spat upon regularly.
 
curlycool89 said:
So you’re ok with the government sponsoring terrorist groups that murder Christians and Jews alike in Lebanon and Israel?
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Many Christians support Hezzbolah over Israel in Lebanon. I thought I told you that already. 🤷
 
Seamus_L said:
For some time now I’ve been reading that there are CIA agents based in Southern Turkey, and that they are providing aid to the Rebels in Syria. Furthermore, along with the accusations from other countries that they are supplying Al-Qaeda, I’ve also seen admissions to the effect that it’s hard to tell exactly that aid ends up with.

Would the US government tolerate a convenience store owner writing big checks to questionable charities in the Middle East, with the excuse that “I have no way of knowing where the money ends up”. I think we need a thorough investigation into the activities of the CIA in Southern Turkey, and if aid is going to Al-Qaeda, than the agents need to be arrested and charged with providing material support to a designated terorist organization.
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Sometimes I don’t know what to believe. In American we always think our government is just and righteous in having out these “opposition” groups but looks what happens in the aftermath?

Look at Afghanistan or Libya. It seems like we want to create strife, and chaos. I’m not sure why but I’m starting to become disfranchised by a lot of America’s dealings.

I love this country, and I love it’s people but sometimes we just don’t get the facts right.

I’m not sure who to believe.

There was honestly not doubts on whether Saddam was a good man, but it seems this stuff about Assad almost came out of them blue a couple years ago.
 
SpeakInSilence said:
Sometimes I don’t know what to believe. In American we always think our government is just and righteous in having out these “opposition” groups but looks what happens in the aftermath?

Look at Afghanistan or Libya. It seems like we want to create strife, and chaos. I’m not sure why but I’m starting to become disfranchised by a lot of America’s dealings.

I love this country, and I love it’s people but sometimes we just don’t get the facts right.

I’m not sure who to believe.

There was honestly not doubts on whether Saddam was a good man, but it seems this stuff about Assad almost came out of them blue a couple years ago.
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Why must we pick a side? I’m on the side that if there is a moderate group, that’s who the US should back. What I see in Syria is a fight between something of the equivalent of the Nazis and Communists…neither is preferable to the other, so don’t pick one find a better one. Syria is not entirely made up of Al Queda and Assad supporters…some people just want democracy without tyrants and demagouges.
 
austenbosten said:
Why must we pick a side? I’m on the side that if there is a moderate group, that’s who the US should back. What I see in Syria is a fight between something of the equivalent of the Nazis and Communists…neither is preferable to the other, so don’t pick one find a better one. Syria is not entirely made up of Al Queda and Assad supporters…some people just want democracy without tyrants and demagouges.
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Haven’t you taken the U.S.'s side and we should continue to fund the opposition? 🤷
 
SpeakInSilence said:
Haven’t you taken the U.S.'s side and we should continue to fund the opposition? 🤷
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I don’t know what it is you are asking, am I on the side of the US? Yes, why wouldn’t I be. As to the US continuing funding the opposition, I have not found any such reports of US funding of anti-Assad rebels. So I cannot answer your last question.
 
austenbosten said:
I don’t know what it is you are asking, am I on the side of the US? Yes, why wouldn’t I be. As to the US continuing funding the opposition, I have not found any such reports of US funding of anti-Assad rebels. So I cannot answer your last question.
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washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/syrian-rebels-get-influx-of-arms-with-gulf-neighbors-money-us-coordination/2012/05/15/gIQAds2TSU_story.html

usnews.com/news/blogs/dotmil/2012/07/17/us-mum-on-releasing-funds-to-syrian-rebels

huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/01/friends-of-syria-conference-gulf-countries-fund-opposition_n_1394737.html

talkradionews.com/news/2012/04/03/u-s-says-funding-syrian-rebels-won%E2%80%99t-undermine-un-peace-plan.html

Sounds like you didn’t look hard enough, or at least you didn’t try.
 
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