US Presidential Election Debate #1

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In Lisa’s defense…
Republicans, not necessarily those in DC, but the average every day ones, tend to be more inclined to limit rather than expand definitions of a law
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Alas Hillary. She who should have been President, not Obama. Romney wouldn’t have had a prayer against her IMO. Worse yet, I blew $1,000 contributing to her campaign. :ouch: :crying:
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Yes, you profess that you can’t vote an anti-life candidate like Obama, but you donated money to the beacon of unborn freedom that is Hillary Clinton…

Your inconsistency is strikingly consistent.
 
Tampa_Dave said:
I don’t wonder. I believe Obama’s ideological strings are being pulled by George Soros and others of his ilk.

Romney should run this as a political ad. It shows the complete emptiness of Obama’s promises.
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Maybe that’s why Obama is so tired and doesn’t seem interested. He knows they’re lies, he’s tired of being vilified for ideas he’s doesn’t believe in.
 
He_Man said:
Yes, you profess that you can’t vote an anti-life candidate like Obama, but you donated money to the beacon of unborn freedom that is Hillary Clinton…

Your inconsistency is strikingly consistent.
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Not at all. I indeed said that I can’t vote for the pro-abortion Obama. Hillary is not running this year, and when I made that modest donation to her campaign, it was when she was campaigning to be the Democratic nominee.

You have your opinion of Sen. Clinton; I have mine, and I looked beyond being a one-note johnny when considering her qualifications and fitness for the Office. I still think she’d have been a far better President than Obama (was he ever a good one?) If she were President, you betcha that I’d be voting for her re-election, and not simply withholding my vote from the two candidates as I must do now. 👍
 
qui_est_ce said:
He knows they’re lies, he’s tired of being vilified for ideas he’s doesn’t believe in.
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Tut! Tut!, Christine. We can’t say that “he knows they’re lies.” We can’t say for certain if Obama “knows” any more than we can accuse Romney of being a conscious liar. That would be uncharitable - towards both men. 🙂

And coming from you - the most charitable poster of all. :sad_yes:
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Tut! Tut!, Christine. We can’t say that “he knows they’re lies.” We can’t say for certain if Obama “knows” any more than we can accuse Romney of being a conscious liar. That would be uncharitable - towards both men. 🙂

And coming from you - the most charitable poster of all. :sad_yes:
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I don’t think Christine was being uncharitable but in reality trying to give Obama the benefit of the doubt. He would not be the first or only person used to advance a shadow’s agenda. I think a lot of politicians compromise on many issues thinking that the greater good is that their actual agenda will be promoted.

So many people said Obama campaigned as a moderate which makes my head spin around. I thought he was clearly far Left. But I think he could mouth the words that if you didn’t read between the lines, if you got all of your impressions from the MSM which amazingly never pointed out the infanticide votes, the Reverend Wright/Bill Ayers/Frank Marshall Davis connections, the “clinging to guns and God” or “spread the wealth around” comments.

There are many theories about what motivates Obama but he is clearly willing to be whatever it takes to achieve his goals. Look at the drawl and “blackspeak” he used when lecturing African Americans in New Orleans. Look at the rants against “Wall Street fatcats” and then turned around and attended fundraisers for the same group who financed his campaign (last time!). He becomes a different person depending on the audience, the issue and the need.

He may well be tired of playing so many parts.

Lisa
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Tut! Tut!, Christine. We can’t say that “he knows they’re lies.” We can’t say for certain if Obama “knows” any more than we can accuse Romney of being a conscious liar. That would be uncharitable - towards both men. 🙂

And coming from you - the most charitable poster of all. :sad_yes:
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When the Hillary Clinton stood over the dead body of the ambassador and claimed on video what happened is what they knew didn’t happen, then I don’t know what you would call that if you wouldn’t call it a lie.

They had hoped to keep their mistakes hidden from the American public but it’s not happening. People are finding out the truth.

The Obama administration has tried all kinds of things to keep what really happened a secret. News reports are coming out about how secretive this has been even to the people who had relatives who died in that attack. Here’s an interview with Sean Smith’s mother, by Anderson Cooper. If you remember, Sean Cooper was the computer expert who died that night.

cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2012/10/11/ac-sean-smith-mother-libya-attack.cnn#/video/bestoftv/2012/10/10/ac-patricia-smith-son-died-libya-attack.cnn

She can’t even get a cause of death out of the Obama administration, or an answer about whether bloody handprints on a wall were her son’s or not, and a month has passed.

I expect that you’re going to hear more about this in the debates to come, either tonight or the other presidential debates. It’s not going to go away.
 
LisaA said:
I hope this is an attempt at humor Meltzerboy. The meme about “Romney the Liar” has been debunked and admitted to even by Stephanie Cutter.

Lisa
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I totally agree. Obama is resorting to misrepresentations ($5 trillion tax cut, for example) and the legacy of Big Bird to save his desperate campaign. Wait until the next debate. Romney will have to duck at the podium to avoid ever-increasing extensions of Pinnochio’s nose.
 
LisaA said:
I don’t think Christine was being uncharitable but in reality trying to give Obama the benefit of the doubt. He would not be the first or only person used to advance a shadow’s agenda. I think a lot of politicians compromise on many issues thinking that the greater good is that their actual agenda will be promoted.
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Private joke, but your point is well taken.
There are many theories about what motivates Obama but he is clearly willing to be whatever it takes to achieve his goals. Look at the drawl and “blackspeak” he used when lecturing African Americans in New Orleans. Look at the rants against “Wall Street fatcats” and then turned around and attended fundraisers for the same group who financed his campaign (last time!). He becomes a different person depending on the audience, the issue and the need.
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Yes, but as you said, “I think a lot of politicians compromise on many issues thinking that the greater good is that their actual agenda will be promoted.” I think you’re right about Obama, but I don’t have any more confidence in the GOP guys, either. 🤷
 
iloveangels said:
I expect that you’re going to hear more about this in the debates to come, either tonight or the other presidential debates. It’s not going to go away.
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I can’t agree. Americans tend to have short memories about things that don’t affect them directly.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
I can’t agree. Americans tend to have short memories about things that don’t affect them directly.
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Not always. Don’t undersell the American public. What’s happening is interesting. This Benghazi thing is part of the “Lying Motif” that people are picking up on. That’s how they see it even if they don’t know anything about the Middle East and don’t really care much about the Middle East. The deaths in Libya are part of a Cover Up and the American people know it.

The video of the mother resonates with more people than you think. Victimized is victimized. Sean Smith was a big time gamer and had a lot of contacts online.
 
Tampa_Dave said:
Many voters making up the American electorate have short memories and limited intelligence IMO.
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They often don’t get and retain details, but they do get broad motifs, and Obama has a lot of them. Negative big motifs.

*shoving things through no matter what the American public thinks about it
*lying, secrecy, manipulation - and this Benghazi cover up
*evasion on his record, arrogance, the “smirk” of debate #1
*flashy, flashy living and indolence on his part - news releases about debate prep being a “drag” in his opinion
*carelessness with numbers, “funny” or “impossible” numbers, financial mismanagement
*cluelessness and pettiness - Big Bird, me, me, me. And oh yeah ME.
etc, etc.
 
iloveangels said:
Not always. Don’t undersell the American public. What’s happening is interesting. This Benghazi thing is part of the “Lying Motif” that people are picking up on. That’s how they see it even if they don’t know anything about the Middle East and don’t really care much about the Middle East. The deaths in Libya are part of a Cover Up and the American people know it.

The video of the mother resonates with more people than you think. Victimized is victimized. Sean Smith was a big time gamer and had a lot of contacts online.
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Was he the one who sent out a Tweet that night saying something like “If we don’t die tonight…”

A witness gave a minute by minute account of the attack. They were aware immediately that it was a well armed group and I can only imagine the terror and pain faced by those who were still in the Consulate.

Does anyone know why Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi instead of Tripoli? It would seem that on 9/11 he would want to be in a more fortified location. I have not heard anything on this and it just seemed like a curious thing to me.

I realize that the Republicans are seizing upon this incident (just as Democrats would if in the same position) but I am still amazed at the idea such a huge, international incident could be covered up. It’s as if they are in some kind of alternative universe. Nothing is secret these days. As you said with the online presence, Twitter, Skype/webcams or just plain old cellphones, most everything said and done is recorded. As Hillary said, it requires a willing suspension of disbelief

Lisa
 
meltzerboy said:
Maybe Obama should take a few lessons from Romney.
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Why would he? You’ve pretty much laid out that President Obama is the -]is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life/-], -]smartest President, evah!/-]…a really deep thinker.

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meltzerboy said:
Romney is a superior debater perhaps, but surely not a superior thinker compared to Obama, although you might intensely dislike the latter’s thoughts. I would say Romney is better than GWB in the cognitive department and about equal to Joe Biden, but certainly less reflective and “professorial” (a negative description used by the liberal and the conservative media alike) than Obama.

I think Obama’s passivity was a misguided strategy on the part of his campaign in order not to rock the boat and appear non-presidential or vindictive toward Romney. No matter, the lesson has been learned and the pendulum will no doubt swing in the next Presidential debate with respect to Obama’s passion and aggression, perhaps too much.
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Or, is it possible that Obama isn’t as “bright and clean” as VP Biden claimed. :rotfl:
 
LisaA said:
Was he the one who sent out a Tweet that night saying something like “If we don’t die tonight…”
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LisaA said:
A witness gave a minute by minute account of the attack. They were aware immediately that it was a well armed group and I can only imagine the terror and pain faced by those who were still in the Consulate.

Does anyone know why Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi instead of Tripoli? It would seem that on 9/11 he would want to be in a more fortified location. I have not heard anything on this and it just seemed like a curious thing to me.

I realize that the Republicans are seizing upon this incident (just as Democrats would if in the same position) but I am still amazed at the idea such a huge, international incident could be covered up. It’s as if they are in some kind of alternative universe. Nothing is secret these days. As you said with the online presence, Twitter, Skype/webcams or just plain old cellphones, most everything said and done is recorded. As Hillary said, it requires a willing suspension of disbelief

Lisa
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The Obama administration has been given a free pass by the media for so long that they are in an alternate universe. That’s the only reason that I can figure out for a couple of things: a) believing that somehow they could get away with a cover up of this magnitude, and b) believing that Obama could skip his debate prep and just skate in there and win for showing up.

There were so many witnesses to that Benghazi event that the truth is coming out. People do have cell phones with cameras, :cool:. There was no riot out front of the embassy last night. That event was not about some obscure film on youtube. And military equipment was used in that attack, and that’s what it was, a military attack.
 
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