Vatican criticizes fence?

[BlyssfulDreamer]

. Mostly the fences’ focus is on 700 hundred miles of our border which would leave 1300 miles of that border unaddressed. The fence is simply ill advised and ill conceived as there is every indication that it won’t work and will be waste of valuable resources, economic and natural. We’ve increased fencing dramatically since 1986 and it has not been an effective policy. Fencing has produced larger death tolls on those risking everything to get here and has helped to line the pockets of “coyotes” while failing to reduce “illegal” immigration. It’s an “inhumane” venture and I think that is the basis upon which the Vatican is displeased with the idea of a 700 mile fence.

Inhumane? What about the American citizens who happen to have the misfortune to live on the border? They have to deal with the illegal problem up close and very personal. They are afraid for their lives…they are concerned over their property and their livestock and the fact that the illegals are using their property for a dump. I don’t believe that the fence will work either…largely in part because of the fact the Congress did not fund it and the idea will wither and die for lack of effort. I have no sympathy for those who are trying to come into this country through illegal means and end up paying for it with their lives. We do not have to accept anyone into this country that we do not want to and especially when they come here illegally in violation of our laws. Sounds heartless? Big deal…facts are facts and the illegals are ruining this country.
We need to put troops on the border who are armed and treat this as the INVASION that it is.

:heart:Blyss

 

[Ituyu]

Inhumane? What about the American citizens who happen to have the misfortune to live on the border? They have to deal with the illegal problem up close and very personal. They are afraid for their lives…they are concerned over their property and their livestock and the fact that the illegals are using their property for a dump.

That’s exactly right, INHUMANE. Our problems at the border are largely a function of our actions. Our experience over the years indicated to us that the human flow would only be diverted.

I don’t believe that the fence will work either…largely in part because of the fact the Congress did not fund it and the idea will wither and die for lack of effort.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

. We have a long history with our southern border and we never needed it to be so heavily guarded. People would come and go in accordance with our labor needs. Fortunately, this “invasion” has created wonderful economic growth yielding us a handsome “net gain” over all costs. Working people are not a threat or menace to us especially when we lack the manpower to fill those jobs. We need to reform our policies and let these people in legally.

 

[Ituyu]

Because of our inaction on the border is why we are in the predicament we are now. The “invasion” is costing us in government services…crime and it is ridiculous for you to say they are not a threat or a menace. You don’t read the newspapers much do you? or do you like to have your head stuck in the sand?

Now now, be nice.

Actually we took action when none was necessary and created a problem. We keep making it worse by building fences and writing new draconian laws that didn’t work. That’s not inaction…it’s trying to fix something that tweren’t broke! Fact is most Americans recognize that we want and need these people here. They’re good for our economy, growth and strength as a nation. We just need to put them through the same process that allowed others in legally.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

FACT?! Would you like to provide ***proof ***for that insane statement?

:heart:Blyss

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[Ituyu]

Ituyu;1821367:

FACT?! Would you like to provide ***proof ***

for that insane statement?

:heart:Blyss

WHAT? You think that the likes of the WND, Simcox, FAIR, The John Birch Society and the CIS are the voice of America? Was that reflected at the polls?

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Why don’t you go to the broder states and ask those who have to deal with these people on a regular basis what they think of these invaders coming into the country and having to deal with them? Let’s see what the average Joe on the street has to say about them. When the rallies of last spring were going on…there were many Americans who let it be known their feelings about these people. Ask the people whose ranches are on the border and have them going through their land and sleeping on their porches. Ask the people who now sleep with guns under their pillows because they now live in fear.

:heart:Blyss

 

[Lynn-D]

I am so disappointed by those who condemn us Americans for our right in protecting our country.

Recently our parish priest posted on our church website that according to Jesus we should welcome the stranger, meaning the illegal’s we assumed correctly.

Yes, I agree with the teachings of Jesus and sent Fr ‘B’ an email that Jesus also said to, ‘Give unto Caesar…’. What our priest forgot is that we should welcome the stranger as a visitor and not one that is an intruder. Our Pope’s did not do that when the hordes invaded Rome.

Even Mary and Joseph were denied entry to the Inn but sent to the stable. That never was declared a sin but the right of the Innkeeper to determine how his property was to be used.

So now we Americans are not allowed to do the same but for us it is more than a use for a short time but an invasion.

Sorry, but if you enter my country illegally you are breaking our laws and are a criminal. Please do not ask me to treat you as a visitor or a guest. You are neither!

Lynn-D

 

[aspawloski4th]

I am so disappointed by those who condemn us Americans for our right in protecting our country.

Recently our parish priest posted on our church website that according to Jesus we should welcome the stranger, meaning the illegal’s we assumed correctly.

Yes, I agree with the teachings of Jesus and sent Fr ‘B’ an email that Jesus also said to, ‘Give unto Caesar…’. What our priest forgot is that we should welcome the stranger as a visitor and not one that is an intruder. Our Pope’s did not do that when the hordes invaded Rome.

Even Mary and Joseph were denied entry to the Inn but sent to the stable. That never was declared a sin but the right of the Innkeeper to determine how his property was to be used.

So now we Americans are not allowed to do the same but for us it is more than a use for a short time but an invasion.

Sorry, but if you enter my country illegally you are breaking our laws and are a criminal. Please do not ask me to treat you as a visitor or a guest. You are neither!

Lynn-D

amen sister.even if we were to treat them as a guest it doesnt meen dpleating our fianancial resourses, learing thier language, etc if you didnt come here thru the propper chanells you are illegal and should be booted out plain and simple.

 

[Everyman]

All I know is that hearing that the Vatican condemns the fence is one of the only things that makes me want to stay being a Catholic. It might be a worn-out cliche, but how can a person be illegal?

 

[Jeffrey]

All I know is that hearing that the Vatican condemns the fence is one of the only things that makes me want to stay being a Catholic. It might be a worn-out cliche, but how can a person be illegal?

 

[rlg94086]

All I know is that hearing that the Vatican condemns the fence is one of the only things that makes me want to stay being a Catholic. It might be a worn-out cliche, but how can a person be illegal?

An illegal alien is someone who is alien (i.e. a foreigner) and in the country illegally (i.e. illegal)…thus the term illegal…

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

All I know is that hearing that the Vatican condemns the fence is one of the only things that makes me want to stay being a Catholic. It might be a worn-out cliche, but how can a person be illegal?

By coming** illegally into another country. Would calling them* criminals ***make you feel any better?

:heart:Blyss

 

[Lynn-D]

All I know is that hearing that the Vatican condemns the fence is one of the only things that makes me want to stay being a Catholic. It might be a worn-out cliche, but how can a person be illegal?

I see, now you only feel comfort in aligning yourself with the illegal act of another. After all it is not the person that is illegal but the act itself that is meant by illegal or might you simply be confused by the distinction.

If a person breaks one of the ten commandments that too is a violation of law…an illegal act. It does not speak of the person as being broken but the commandment itself.

If that is the one thing that makes you ‘want to stay being a Catholic’ then I suggest you might have made that choice otherwise already.

Lynn-D

 

[Everyman]

Many of these people are refugees. They have no job opportunities in their own land, and their families are starving. Christians are called to care for these types.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Many of these people are refugees. They have no job opportunities in their own land, and their families are starving. Christians are called to care for these types.

how can they not have job oportunities in their land? isnt mexico where many of our jobs going to? in any even that stuff is irrelevent, wheat is relevent is they didnt come to our country thru legal chanells, which make them here illegally. Im a pizza driver who deal with them alot in my delivery area. they seem pretty demanding for being here despite not having a right to be here. Ive been hung up on because I couldnt take their order in spanish. if they are the one’s so down and out why are the hispanics the ones who try to pay with 50 dollar bills the most? at where I work we are not allowed to take 50s. they have the big screen tvs more than anyone else in my area. sorry but their pleight doesnt fly with me. I say if you are here illegally for any reason what so ever you should be shipped back period.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

I say if you are here illegally for any reason what so ever you should be shipped back period.

I would agree if it were feasible.

I also smile to myself at these folks who are so down and out and when they come to this country I see them driving pickups and cars…all chromed out with the best music systems. They also wear the name brand clothes. Yep, they do pretty darn well over here for breaking the law.

:heart:Blyss

 

[Everyman]

I just take hope in knowing that Christ is on the side of the refugee.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Many of these people are refugees. They have no job opportunities in their own land, and their families are starving. Christians are called to care for these types.

Actually, I think that there is plenty of blame to go around (which I’m sure will put me in the “blame America first” crowd…funny that, I thought that a good Christian is supposed to examine their conscience and aknowlegde when they do wrong by others).

First, we have to realize that Mexico is basically an agrarian economy, much like the US in the early 1900’s. Yes, there are cities but they are becomeing overwhelmed by people moving in from the countryside looking for jobs that weren’t there or didn’t pay enough.

The Colorado River used to flow all the way to the Gulf of California but it no longer does. Result: much of the farmland in northern Mexico that relied on the Colorado has dried up.

NAFTA has made it easier for multinational corporations to buy out family farms that were part of the culture and economy of Mexico for generations. Result: increased poverty in Mexico’s countryside.

It’s unfortunate that democracy in Mexico is taking a bad turn toward the corporatist/“conservative” model that ends up destroying instead of building a strong middle class. Hopefully democracy can survive and eventually flourish to the point where the people and not corporate puppets control the government of Mexico.

 

[Lynn-D]

I would agree if it were feasible.
:heart:Blyss

It is feasible! But that might mean that our elected representatives do their job and protect our borders.

I am so sick of the apologists who warp the word of Jesus into somehow being a license to commit wrong and illegal acts. Did not Jesus direct us to ‘Give unto Caesar’.

It makes me wonder if some in this thread would allow me or anyone else to simply enter their home without permission and take whatever I might want or need and give me the right to reside in their home without their permission?

The border of my country is the first lawful boundary and the next is my home. You cross either in violation of law and I know what you would get entering my home illegally. The same should apply to those crossing the border whether overground or in tunnels.

Lynn-D