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jwinch2
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Yes, it is.
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LisaA
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Oh thank heavens! I know some of the Religious have really gone off the reservation but this seemed like way too outrageous to be true.Yes, it is.
I’m happy to hear that this organization doesn’t represent the majority of sisters. You know the phrase, there are lies, d**mned lies and statistics! They kept saying it represented 80% of the religious and I know this attitude sure doesn’t represent the wonderful Sisters in our Parish or at the Retreat House where I take Spiritual Direction. I just hope they aren’t all labeled by the acts of a few.
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jwinch2
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Agreed, 100%
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KSU
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Yes, friends, Sr. Patricia Owens O’Flannery, OP is a composite parody of the apostasy, heresy, radical feminism, modernism, etc. that afflicts a segment of the beautiful face of the Church–our women Religious. As far as I know, she was invented by blogger LarryD in April of 2009. He brings her back every once in a while because laughter is the best medicine.
But don’t be misled; the real life Sister Pats are no joke. Pantheism and Wicca are all too real.
But don’t be misled; the real life Sister Pats are no joke. Pantheism and Wicca are all too real.
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wabbaloo
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The Anglican Use mass is where it’s at! No guitars, plenty of incense. High Mass all the time. I love it. It has made me understand and believe that much more.
When you go to a Catholic mass that has song (not hymn) lyrics projected onto the wall by someone sitting at a lap top…when it feels more like a stadium than a church…when you have a piano, a few guitars, and a gosh-darn flute…when you have “eucharistic ministers” and teens up on the altar…you know it’s time to ask, “Why isn’t mass “holy” anymore?”
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KSU
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“Why isn’t mass “holy” anymore?”
Because Satan and his dupes have been very busy misrepresenting “the Spirit of VCII.”
After the Council has been fully implemented (its just begun to be implemented) the Mass will be returned to us. Of course, a lot of people will have to be removed/retired first.
Because Satan and his dupes have been very busy misrepresenting “the Spirit of VCII.”
After the Council has been fully implemented (its just begun to be implemented) the Mass will be returned to us. Of course, a lot of people will have to be removed/retired first.
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_Abyssinia
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I do not like the NCR but I will post this:
Vatican Embassy Opens Doors to Nun Protesters
What does it say about these Nuns that they would protest instead of sitting down like reasonable adults for a conversation with the Bishops about the Vatican’s concerns. To me, it confirms that LCWR has gone array.
Vatican Embassy Opens Doors to Nun Protesters
ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/vatican-embassy-opens-doors-protesters
What does it say about these Nuns that they would protest instead of sitting down like reasonable adults for a conversation with the Bishops about the Vatican’s concerns. To me, it confirms that LCWR has gone array.
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Mijoy2
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Anybody else think this has the potential to do more harm to the Catholic faith then the HHS mandate issue?
The main stream media (case in point a CBS morning news interview) will (and has) latched on to this thing as a BBV Big Bad Vatican news story. This coming at a time when homosexuality is glofied is a doubling up on the BBV.
This is casting the BBV as out of touch and power hungry. And, the world is listening. I don’t think this one is going away. Most Catholics who are already polarized in favor of; contrception, same-sex-marriage and even abortion (or so called “choice”) will be drawn to this like a magnet. I suspect parishes (at least some), under pressure, will conform.
My gut feeling. The church as we know it (or like to believe She is), save a small segment, is passing away before our eyes.
The main stream media (case in point a CBS morning news interview) will (and has) latched on to this thing as a BBV Big Bad Vatican news story. This coming at a time when homosexuality is glofied is a doubling up on the BBV.
This is casting the BBV as out of touch and power hungry. And, the world is listening. I don’t think this one is going away. Most Catholics who are already polarized in favor of; contrception, same-sex-marriage and even abortion (or so called “choice”) will be drawn to this like a magnet. I suspect parishes (at least some), under pressure, will conform.
My gut feeling. The church as we know it (or like to believe She is), save a small segment, is passing away before our eyes.
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jwinch2
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I don’t see that at all.
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Mijoy2
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Perhaps I am pessimistic. However I know a lot of Catholics between family friends and aquaintences and the vast majority are ultra liberal and would support (if they were aware) the nuns persepctives. Now, with support from the media, they have ammunition.
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jwinch2
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We are heading full swing into a presidential election cycle, we have another push to raise the national debt ceiling, the supreme court hearings of Obamacare, discussions about military intervention in Syria, nuclear capacity in Iran, and we are on the brink of another economic meltdown in Europe. All of this is happening over the next few months.
Long story made short; there might be bits and pieces of the LCWR issue floating in the popular media from time to time, but I can’t see them putting too much emphasis on it with everything else going on.
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KSU
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You would be correct if the Church were simply a secular entity; it could never survive the current attacks by the world, the flesh and the devil. Don’t forget, however, that the Church is protected by St. Michael, guided by the Holy Spirit, and fortified by Christ’s guaranty that even Hell can’t prevail against Her.
In the meantime, of course, the pathetic beat goes on:
blog.cardinalnewmansociety.org/2012/05/29/mercy-sister-who-publicly-confronted-pope-john-paul-ii-hasnt-changed-her-tune/
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Dawnia
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I don’t think so. Once it’s done and over with, it will once again look like the media made a mountain out of a mole hill. They made a big stink over the Vatican visitations too and the world didn’t end.
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theidler
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I have never seen the media mix something up so bad
. Almost every single article on this issue shows habited nuns when the LCWR is anything but for the most part. It’s irritating, but I suppose it gives them another soapboax to bash the Church from.
Secondly, I cannot even begin to believe the amount of Catholics who are jumping on the bandwagon to defend these sisters’ heretical views
. Charity and social work are fantastic, and the LCWR should be (and have been) commended for it…but for pity’s sake, the theological views of the LCWR are so blatantly heretical and bizarre that I am not even sure why they are Catholic in the first place.
And that brings up the question…why do dissident catholics remain Catholic??? Why go through all the effort to tear down the Church of Christ? Why not join some other movement? I just don’t understand.
I wrote about it on my own blog here and here.
. Almost every single article on this issue shows habited nuns when the LCWR is anything but for the most part. It’s irritating, but I suppose it gives them another soapboax to bash the Church from.Secondly, I cannot even begin to believe the amount of Catholics who are jumping on the bandwagon to defend these sisters’ heretical views
. Charity and social work are fantastic, and the LCWR should be (and have been) commended for it…but for pity’s sake, the theological views of the LCWR are so blatantly heretical and bizarre that I am not even sure why they are Catholic in the first place.And that brings up the question…why do dissident catholics remain Catholic??? Why go through all the effort to tear down the Church of Christ? Why not join some other movement? I just don’t understand.
I wrote about it on my own blog here and here.
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KSU
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" I cannot even begin to believe the amount of Catholics who are jumping on the bandwagon to defend these sisters’ heretical views. Charity and social work are fantastic, and the LCWR should be (and have been) commended for it…"—theidler
I don’t think many Catholics are jumping on the bandwagon to support the LCWR. There may be a few ignorant Catholics who believe the liberal drivel that the Vatican is persecuting nuns in habits who want only to pray the rosary and serve the Church. Those who loudly and publicly support the LCWR, however, are already on the bandwagon. In fact, they drive the bandwagon and are Catholics-In-Name-Only.
And while I understand what you mean by the sisters’ fantastic charity and social work, I really doubt that the LCWR itself can be credited with any of it. I believe that the LCWR is a major impediment to authentic charity and social work by sisters.
BTW, I would visit your blogs even if they were blank just to hear the chant and see the art work. Very nice!
I don’t think many Catholics are jumping on the bandwagon to support the LCWR. There may be a few ignorant Catholics who believe the liberal drivel that the Vatican is persecuting nuns in habits who want only to pray the rosary and serve the Church. Those who loudly and publicly support the LCWR, however, are already on the bandwagon. In fact, they drive the bandwagon and are Catholics-In-Name-Only.
And while I understand what you mean by the sisters’ fantastic charity and social work, I really doubt that the LCWR itself can be credited with any of it. I believe that the LCWR is a major impediment to authentic charity and social work by sisters.
BTW, I would visit your blogs even if they were blank just to hear the chant and see the art work. Very nice!
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_Abyssinia
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A tiny percentage of Nuns who are not following the Church’s teachings are not going to bring the Church down. LCWR has 3% of US Nuns belonging to it, 97% of Nuns do not belong to this organization
Sister On U.S. Nun Controversy: "Hostile Takeover"
wibw.com/home/nationalnews/headlines/Sister_On_US_Nun_Controversy_Hostile_Takeover_155991905.html
I think the Church leaders ideas for revising this organization are fantastic.
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theidler
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Thanks for the compliment KSU" I cannot even begin to believe the amount of Catholics who are jumping on the bandwagon to defend these sisters’ heretical views. Charity and social work are fantastic, and the LCWR should be (and have been) commended for it…"—theidler
I don’t think many Catholics are jumping on the bandwagon to support the LCWR. There may be a few ignorant Catholics who believe the liberal drivel that the Vatican is persecuting nuns in habits who want only to pray the rosary and serve the Church. Those who loudly and publicly support the LCWR, however, are already on the bandwagon. In fact, they drive the bandwagon and are Catholics-In-Name-Only.
And while I understand what you mean by the sisters’ fantastic charity and social work, I really doubt that the LCWR itself can be credited with any of it. I believe that the LCWR is a major impediment to authentic charity and social work by sisters.
BTW, I would visit your blogs even if they were blank just to hear the chant and see the art work. Very nice!
I don’t know though, my observations have been that it seems like there are an overwhelming majority who are supporting the LCWR. It’s sad.
However, I watched the video for imaginesisters.org, and felt better. It’s absolutely bizarre to notice the difference - traditional orders are mostly young and vibrant, habited and happy nuns; the LCWR-kind of orders are almost all seniors that either look like lawyers or tour guides…
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JimG
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Yes the bolded part is quite true and has been so for many years. I haven’t even been following the story, but just from news article over the past few decades it was apparent to me that LCWR was becomeing more and more heterodox.I have never seen the media mix something up so bad
Secondly, I cannot even begin to believe the amount of Catholics who are jumping on the bandwagon to defend these sisters’ heretical views
And that brings up the question…why do dissident catholics remain Catholic??? Why go through all the effort to tear down the Church of Christ? Why not join some other movement? I just don’t understand.
I wrote about it on my own blog here and here.
That’s why the CMSWR was founded. Many religious communities simply could no longer abide the heterodoxy of the LCWR.
And yet I find some Catholics around here getting upset about the Vatican persecuting the poor LCWR. I can only assume they are getting their news from purely secular sources, because they don’t have their facts straight.
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LisaA
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My experience as well. It sounds like the big bad Vatican is picking on a cadre of Mother Teresas who only want to pray and serve the poor. I think sadly they’ve tolerated some pretty outrageous actions from some prominent Religious in the name of charity or diversity or some well intentioned but ill advised strategy.
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