Vatican expresses surprise, indignation at raid on Belgian archdiocese

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NEWCATHOLICJEFF said:
I believe the Vatican is a sovereign state and I would assume that the Arch Diocese in each country would be considered an embassy.
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The Vatican is indeed a sovereign state, and maintains embassies in many countries. But most nations have only one embassy per country. They may also have consulates to assist their nationals living abroad and to facilitate trade with their home country, but these are limited in number. For example, Britain has nine consulates in the US. However, there are 34 archdiocese in the US. And although I am not familiar with all the activities coordinated by an archdiocese, I don’t think they have a consular function.

The Vatican ambassador to the US is the Apostolic Nuncio, aka the papal nuncio. I would expect the Apostolic Nuncio in Belgium would also be considered the Vatican’s ambassador.
 
Good points. I guess I can find out where Visa/Passports are issued at.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
So, in your eyes, anyone who criticizes the Church on it’s handling of sexual abuse cases is an enemy of the Church?
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It is not just criticism. there is a constant persecution of the Church on this. they are trying to drag the Vatican into this. they are not giving up. they want money from the Vatican and that is why they now calling the Church a business and priets are employes.

it is not about criticism. they are up to destroy the Church. dont kiddy yourself on this.
 
The more I find out about the way the Church is organized the more surprised I get. I always thought there was a much more direct chain of command from the priest to the Vatican than what is apparently the case. In one way the disconnect probably works for the legal advantage of the Vatican but in another it tells me the Vatican really has very little (or chooses not to exercise) control over the shepherds (bishops) who are guiding us.
 
momor said:
The more I find out about the way the Church is organized the more surprised I get. I always thought there was a much more direct chain of command from the priest to the Vatican than what is apparently the case. In one way the disconnect probably works for the legal advantage of the Vatican but in another it tells me the Vatican really has very little (or chooses not to exercise) control over the shepherds (bishops) who are guiding us.
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As i heard one time this bishop saying on EWTN, things changed after VII. many became disobedient and independent from the Vatican. they have acquired more independence. that is why we have this mess confusion. that is why priests do as they please in teh Mass and so does the bishops. everybody is doing their own thing as if there is no authority over them. you know the protestant way.
 
momor said:
I always thought there was a much more direct chain of command from the priest to the Vatican than what is apparently the case.
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Subsidiarity (devolvement of powers) is a core Catholic principle. Perhaps they took it too far in VII, and the situation sunk into a bit of chaos. All governments exist on a scale between anarchy and authoritarianism, and it is difficult to find the ideal balance.

The Church has also devolved many of its former powers to the state, which I also think is a problem. Control of marriage, moral authority, charity, and the like.
 
momor said:
Subsidiarity is risky when your business is all about morality.
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morality is one of the core teachings of the Church. the problem is when those who preaching morality are commiting imorality themselves.
 
In a case in the United States, there was an investigation where a detective asked the chancellor for the priest’s personnel file, he was given just three pages.

Puzzled, the detective, who is also an attorney, began researching canon law. He learned that each bishop is required to keep a secret archive, and to not ever disclose its existence. Armed with this knowledge, the police secured a search warrant and found the file on the priest that was 1-2 inches thick.

Is there a secret archive under canon law never to be disclosed? If so, perhaps this is the reason for the raid?
 
Ecoclimber said:
In a case in the United States, there was an investigation where a detective asked the chancellor for the priest’s personnel file, he was given just three pages.

Puzzled, the detective, who is also an attorney, began researching canon law. He learned that each bishop is required to keep a secret archive, and to not ever disclose its existence. Armed with this knowledge, the police secured a search warrant and found the file on the priest that was 1-2 inches thick.

Is there a secret archive under canon law never to be disclosed? If so, perhaps this is the reason for the raid?
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Could you provide a source for this? Thanks.
 
pnewton said:
Not always true. Headlines are also a lure for some with political aspirations. You may not be aware, but in the U.S. we also have innocent until proven guilty.
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No one cares about that whenever Holy Mother Church is involved. Most especially Satan’s cheerleaders.

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