Venezuela, people eating rubbish

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John24 said:
I am talking about the 2018 elections:
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Jimmy Carter did not approve the 2018 elections and no matter the source, apparently, in 2014, he was raising criticisms of Venezuela in 2014:
Last week Jimmy Carter fired off letters to Venezuela’s fraudulent President Nicolas Maduro and to Venezuela’s defrauded Presidential candidate Enrique Capriles expressing “grave concern” regarding the political turmoil and bloodshed convulsing their nation. From his pulpit at Emory University’s Carter Center, the former U.S. president calls for “dialogue” among the embattled Venezuelan parties and offers to visit the troubled nation – but not as a formal “mediator.”

The news of Carter’s proposed Venezuela visit was only hours old when alarmed Venezuelan anti-socialists sent out an SOS: “Please, desist from your trip,” reads an open letter from Venezuelan blogger/journalist Daniel Duquenal. “You have absolutely no credibility in Venezuela…You have cursed us enough as it is. I can assure you that half of the country has no respect nor credibility for you and the other half (the Castroites) thinks you are a mere fool that they can use and discard as needed.”
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https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/220082/carter-intervention-venezuela-humberto-fontova

Jimmy Carter is a foreigner to the US as any foreign leader, Trudeau for example, is still a foreigner to the US, no matter what he says.


Jimmy Carter gave approval to the 2012 Venezuelan elections. One mentioned him. I don’t see him mentioned about the 2018 election.
 
John24 said:
. Very silly if it wasn’t being used to start a civil war that will kill thousands.
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But 3,000,000-4,000,000 refugees and people eating trash is okay?

And no civil war has been started, everything has been passive so far.
 
A dictator who causes 10% of the population to flee, has 1 million percent annual inflation, causes the infrastructure to decay and causes people to eat out of garbage trucks should be removed whether elected or not.
 
John24 said:
You should probably make an effort to learn some of the details before declaring the victor of an election certified by 150 foreign observers in a country with what many (including Jimmy Carter) call the best voting system in the world “illegitimate”.
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I find no source saying Jimmy Carter witnessed the 2018 election and made a statement on it.
 
Well, dictatorships as we know them or refer to in Latin America aren t elected
When they are elected and re elected and then Constitutions are modified and so they are re elected again or why not members of their family, we do not refer to them as “ dictators”.
We have cases of such .
Endured legally, until they left and we could finally find out the reason for perpetuating themselves in power sometimes.
But I will spare you the ranting and frustration.
 
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Victoria33 said:
And no civil war has been started, everything has been passive so far.
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Those arms shipments must have been for LARPing. What do you think will happen when a popular, democratically elected leader of a country is toppled by a foreign government?
Victoria33 said:
I find no source saying Jimmy Carter witnessed the 2018 election and made a statement on it.
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You helpfully quoted my post. Try reading it again.
 
The Carter Center, since someone mentioned him has made a statement on the recent travails of Venezuela:
“In 2012, I applauded Venezuela’s use of electronic voting machines as exemplary in the world,” said former U.S. President Jimmy Carter. “That characterization since has been misused by Nicolas Maduro to suggest a broad validation of Venezuela’s election system as a whole and of subsequent elections that The Carter Center did not observe. In fact, The Carter Center and others routinely have expressed concern about government interference in recent electoral processes. The Carter Center has not observed elections formally in Venezuela since 2004.”

The Carter Center supports the valiant efforts of the Venezuelan people to resolve a political conflict that has resulted in economic devastation, a humanitarian crisis, and an exodus of refugees. This is a critical juncture for the Venezuelan people who are calling for democracy.
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https://www.cartercenter.org/news/pr/venezuela-020419.html
 
The Carter Center, 2019:
During this time of tension and uncertainty, the Center urges Nicolás Maduro to respect the democratic and participatory values and clauses protected in the Venezuelan constitution and calls on all Venezuelan leaders, including the democratically elected National Assembly**, to find a consensual path to credible and transparent elections and the restoration of constitutional order and rule of law.**
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https://www.cartercenter.org/news/pr/venezuela-020419.html

If one is using Carter as an example. Carter or the Carter Center calls for credible and transparent elections.
 
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qui_est_ce said:
I wonder whose trash they are eating? I’m guessing it’s not their nextdoor neighbors’.
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Probably the trash of the ruling elites. However, (and not to turn your stomach) but in one video I saw, some of it looked to me like viscera, perhaps from an abattoir.
 
John24 said:
if foreign meddling continues the workers councils will respond in kind.
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Yes. Workers’ councils. In other contexts they have been referred to as SA, NKVD, Revolutionary Guards, Islamic Revolutionary Guards, others. Every dictator has thugs who are paid to beat up or kill dissidents.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Yes. Workers’ councils. In other contexts they have been referred to as SA, NKVD, Revolutionary Guards, Islamic Revolutionary Guards, others. Every dictator has thugs who are paid to beat up or kill dissidents.
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And don’t forget the Cubans, it’s pretty clear, there are nefarious elements involved there. I’m not slamming the Cubans. It could all be false; but anyone can research this matter and they will see the Cubans mentioned. That’s why actually, a lot is at stake in all of this besides the big oil reserves. It goes beyond this thread. I think also, they have some rare minerals and metals. I believe they have a fair supply of coltan which is used in cell phones.

Coltan - Wikipedia And I’m not sure if it is high grade, so a lot of wealth is at stake, maybe they have a fair amount of gold too.

DR Congo has a lot of high grade coltan and that plays a share in the problems they have in DR Congo (the uranium we used in the atomic bombs in WWII was from DR Congo as well, historical sidelight).
qui_est_ce said:
I wonder whose trash they are eating? I’m guessing it’s not their nextdoor neighbors’.
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Again, research is our friend. That newscaster, Jorge Ramos, detained with his news crew last week, it was over a video of people picking the trash.

“This is not how you treat the press”: Univision executive producer on being detained in Venezuela​

By Peter Martinez

February 28, 2019 / 11:01 PM / CBS News

Maria Martinez-Guzman, one of Univision’s executive producers who was detained earlier this week along with anchor Jorge Ramos and five others by the Venezuelan government in Caracas, told CBSN she feels outraged and robbed of her work. She described how they were put in a “dark room” and about $180,000 worth of equipment was “stolen,” since she said none of it has been returned as of Thursday, including their interview footage.

Ramos and his crew, including Martinez-Guzman and several camerapeople, were interviewing the country’s embattled President Nicolás Maduro at the Miraflores presidential palace about the instability in the country, but things went south 17 minutes into their conversation after he showed Maduro footage of Venezuelan youths eating from a garbage truck.
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"This is not how you treat the press": Univision executive producer on being detained in Venezuela

Maria Martinez-Guzman of Univision and anchor Jorge Ramos were among crew put into a dark room when an interview with Nicolás Maduro turned south
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I believe the story. My question is, where is the food in the trash coming from? Who’s got enough food to throw away?
 
Maybe it’s not actual food but the remains of food: used coffee grounds, orange peels, things like that that one would be tempted to eat if one were starving.
 
tomarin said:
Maybe it’s not actual food but the remains of food: used coffee grounds, orange peels, things like that that one would be tempted to eat if one were starving.
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That means there is someone who has eaten enough to throw those things away.
 
Sure. In situations where people are starving, there is still some food resources, jealously guarded I’m sure. You don’t think there is not a calorie of food in Venezuela? People have gardens, they stockpile and hide things, and probably they barter, trading food for other things they need.
 
Yes, you are correct.
You will find them as “ estados de excepción “ in the 1999 Constitution approved by referendum
And the different estados de excepción by cases , their time limits and procedures for extension, as restrictions and conditions.
Ranging from 30, 60 or 90 days depending on the estado de excepción and may be extended by the National Assembly to equal length period.
That takes them to a maximum of 60, 120 and 180 days.
If you are interested in further reading they are under Title VIII, chapter II, art. 337,338 and 339.
Let me know, I can post their Constitution here so you can translate and read it.
 
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qui_est_ce said:
I wonder whose trash they are eating? I’m guessing it’s not their nextdoor neighbors’.
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It looked like the garbage truck was behind a large building, like a shopping mall / food court. Such a place would have lots of potential food in their trash. Supermarkets will still be tossing food past it’s expiration date and restaurants will still toss their customer food not eaten and leftovers that can’t be kept for future customers.

I think the problem is real serious there, but one could make a similar sensational video in the US of people dumpster diving. Heck my dad was doing that in the late 70’s and we had plenty of store bought food on the table (he hated wasting food).

This video portrays it in a positive light.

 
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