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John24
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Gilligan’s Island, great show!
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Victoria33
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Guiado, President Guiado in my humble opinion at Ash Wednesday Mass. I follow his twitter some.
(I’ve made photo comparisons before, I won’t do it now but certain pictures to me, call to mind our former President Obama, I think one can see some similarities). Again, just my view, maybe just one.
(I’ve made photo comparisons before, I won’t do it now but certain pictures to me, call to mind our former President Obama, I think one can see some similarities). Again, just my view, maybe just one.
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It isn t you only! He looks quite like Obama in several ones for me too.
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Yes. Trump orchestrated them to the undermine the Maduro government. :crazy_face:John24:
Do they have snowstorms in Venzuela?
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Rockoh22
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The situation in Venezuela has been a long way coming. The Venezuela people did not asked for this, they are suffering, and the government has been extremely corrupt since Chavez and even before.
Maduro has used his power to form a utopia that has caused catastrophe.
I speak often with people from Venezuela that live here in the U.S. and the situation is extreme.
Just an hour ago I spoke with My Venezuelan friend, and he was very, very displeased with the United Nations.
He was also quite optimistic about President Trump involvement, stating that only good can come of this mess.
Maduro has used his power to form a utopia that has caused catastrophe.
I speak often with people from Venezuela that live here in the U.S. and the situation is extreme.
Just an hour ago I spoke with My Venezuelan friend, and he was very, very displeased with the United Nations.
He was also quite optimistic about President Trump involvement, stating that only good can come of this mess.
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Victoria33
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I know, it is easy to be skeptical, doubtful and even angry about US relations with Latin America, given it’s history. We had some pretty rousing discussions here today but the situation long term is difficult. Now, Venezuela, it does appear in that to be clear to some of us… there is also information, counter information, propaganda and so on out there. I can’t fault anyone too much for how they view this really.
I think we will put as much pressure as we can on them but we will stop short of using weapons. There was some sort of bill already on this venture, there is nothing in the bill to use military force, I’m sure that can change if something serious were to happen.
A month ago, Feb. 6th, 2019:
www.nbcnews.com
In this instance, I can not see Yankee Imperialism at work and so on. This situation really does look different.
It’s really hard to judge history, I do know the history of Mexico fairly well.
From what I have read, some of our foreign adventures are nothing to be proud of but this is some time in the past. Patrick Lumumba in DR Congo and so on. DR Congo might have even been Zaire at one point. It’s complex, it’s history now. We can not repeat our errors…
And as for the present, I’m not really for military force to be used at this point, at least, not the USA acting unilaterally in this.
There’s a story from over the weekend, where Bolton was asked something like “Well, we support these dictators but we are against Maduro”, believe me, this is a tough situation to judge.
I think we will put as much pressure as we can on them but we will stop short of using weapons. There was some sort of bill already on this venture, there is nothing in the bill to use military force, I’m sure that can change if something serious were to happen.
A month ago, Feb. 6th, 2019:
Bipartisan Venezuela legislation fizzles over use of military force
Sens. Marco Rubio, R-Florida, and Bob Menendez, D-N.J., are in a stand-off over whether the resolution should prohibit the use of military force.
www.nbcnews.com
In this instance, I can not see Yankee Imperialism at work and so on. This situation really does look different.
It’s really hard to judge history, I do know the history of Mexico fairly well.
From what I have read, some of our foreign adventures are nothing to be proud of but this is some time in the past. Patrick Lumumba in DR Congo and so on. DR Congo might have even been Zaire at one point. It’s complex, it’s history now. We can not repeat our errors…
And as for the present, I’m not really for military force to be used at this point, at least, not the USA acting unilaterally in this.
There’s a story from over the weekend, where Bolton was asked something like “Well, we support these dictators but we are against Maduro”, believe me, this is a tough situation to judge.
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Rockoh22
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“U.S. set to punish foreign banks who deal with Venezuela’s Maduro -official.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/06/reu...who-deal-with-venezuelas-maduro-official.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/06/reu...who-deal-with-venezuelas-maduro-official.html
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Theo520
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Yes they are suffering, but they also did set it in motion, and continued to enable their leadership going in the wrong direction. They’ve been nationalizing the energy sector as far back as 1971.
Alternatively, they could have just increased taxes on the industry.
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AlNg
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Are you speaking of Venezuela or of the USA? I see people in the USA scavanging from rubbish bins all the time. And there are streets in the USA which are lined with people living in tents. Many students who have graduated from college are having difficulty finding jobs in their field of interest. Of course, you can always find a job at MacDonald’s but what is the point of studying all that hard for four years and then having to work at minimum wage at MacDonald’s?
I agree with you here.
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DENNYINMI
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National Geo. is correct. They are a country dependent on imports with a plummeting fall in the price of their main export, oil, limiting their purchase power. (less money in, less money out) This has been “in the works” since the Chavez era. Right now it’s the pimple coming to a head.
Their crisis is economical as is the current refugee crisis at our border.
People will ravage, migrate, and do what is necessary to eat. see how that works?
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Victoria33
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Caracas has been at times, the murder capital of the world. Right now, it sits at 2nd in the world, I will skip articles where one says “yeah, but look at that source”, so a most objective source possible to get on with the discussion:
www.worldatlas.com
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article204203669.html
So, there really is something about the drug wars, exporting cocaine and other things, corruption that is deeply rooted. It’s well beyond just saying “they voted for this system” from what I can tell.
Again, it needs to be emphasized, refugees, refugees, refugees, over a million in Colombia, 260,000 here, who would have known so many are here… and for that region of South America, there appears the threat of it undermining the region. Colombia has overall been welcoming but there have been some problems there and in Brazil. One can easily look at other troubled countries in the world, I think refugees sets Venezuela apart.
Again, as ball park figures and not a precise measurements, they, Venezuela are among the unfree totalitarian countries of the world:
Oil prices may go down but parts of the USA now, are doing very very well because of the oil industry.
The Most Dangerous Cities In The World
The article ranks the world’s most dangerous cities, emphasizing socio-economic issues, crime indices, and the need for informed vigilance.
www.worldatlas.com
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article204203669.html
So, there really is something about the drug wars, exporting cocaine and other things, corruption that is deeply rooted. It’s well beyond just saying “they voted for this system” from what I can tell.
Again, it needs to be emphasized, refugees, refugees, refugees, over a million in Colombia, 260,000 here, who would have known so many are here… and for that region of South America, there appears the threat of it undermining the region. Colombia has overall been welcoming but there have been some problems there and in Brazil. One can easily look at other troubled countries in the world, I think refugees sets Venezuela apart.
Again, as ball park figures and not a precise measurements, they, Venezuela are among the unfree totalitarian countries of the world:
Oil prices may go down but parts of the USA now, are doing very very well because of the oil industry.
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DENNYINMI
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Black market industries flourish in destitution. We see that as well in Venezuela, as persons purchase their needs on the black market (further making destitute the economy when unable to purchase from capital vendors).
In long standing destitution it isn’t difficult to understand (not condone) the selling of black market products that can offer substantial money like drugs in ghetto conditions, or as we see in Mexico…yet the underlings of society suffer the consequences of these types of survival which are crime and violence.
Their choice? Flee. Or, survive within the setting. And, they have the former option as a dignity as it pertains to life.
In long standing destitution it isn’t difficult to understand (not condone) the selling of black market products that can offer substantial money like drugs in ghetto conditions, or as we see in Mexico…yet the underlings of society suffer the consequences of these types of survival which are crime and violence.
Their choice? Flee. Or, survive within the setting. And, they have the former option as a dignity as it pertains to life.
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DENNYINMI
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Our main export isn’t oil. We benefit from the lower prices, but countries that are sustained by their exports and rely on imports do not. Exhibit A: Venezuela
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Victoria33
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For those who want “pros” and “cons”, I think Max Blumenthal, an award winning journalist has written a few pieces:
So, I don’t read this to lean left or right but, within reason, I will read both sides. Roger Waters, the Pink Floyd band member has cited this “the gray zone” website. I won’t link to it but if one wants more information, one might want to check that out. (the link shows some protesters making a certain gesture so I will skip it because of that).
But again, a lot of this can be nullified pretty easily, there does seem to be an indigenous group of people, the Pemon who have suffered under this regime. You have that, you have most of the free world, EU, recognizing Guiado as the leader of Venezuela.
In a lot of cases, we will read this and that… then, I try to read closer. One can find very detracting pieces on Bolsonaro, Brazil’s new leader and in regards to the Amazon forest, the rights of Indigenous people and so on. We are prone to read some articles that exaggerate what is going on with basically any leader. A lot of propaganda is out there as well. I don’t think Bolsonaro, in his short time in office so far, has enacted much that would infringe on people’s rights and I don’t see it happening either.
Add to all of this, one can not deny that hundreds of soldiers, some officers have abandoned the Venezuelan military. Things rarely are totally black and white.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...overthrow-venezuelan-president-nicolas-maduro
So, I don’t read this to lean left or right but, within reason, I will read both sides. Roger Waters, the Pink Floyd band member has cited this “the gray zone” website. I won’t link to it but if one wants more information, one might want to check that out. (the link shows some protesters making a certain gesture so I will skip it because of that).
But again, a lot of this can be nullified pretty easily, there does seem to be an indigenous group of people, the Pemon who have suffered under this regime. You have that, you have most of the free world, EU, recognizing Guiado as the leader of Venezuela.
In a lot of cases, we will read this and that… then, I try to read closer. One can find very detracting pieces on Bolsonaro, Brazil’s new leader and in regards to the Amazon forest, the rights of Indigenous people and so on. We are prone to read some articles that exaggerate what is going on with basically any leader. A lot of propaganda is out there as well. I don’t think Bolsonaro, in his short time in office so far, has enacted much that would infringe on people’s rights and I don’t see it happening either.
Add to all of this, one can not deny that hundreds of soldiers, some officers have abandoned the Venezuelan military. Things rarely are totally black and white.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...overthrow-venezuelan-president-nicolas-maduro
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Rockoh22
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For those who are equating Venezuela dumpster eating to American people, you guys must have a hardened heart. Even those who stand at traffic lights begging for money have a lot more than the average Venezuelans.
I am not an expert nor claim to know the situation well. I simply am aware of it trough years of listening.
The situation in Venezuela has been a very slow death process. Something many people would know, if we would get actual news and not political agendas.
Much of the information that I have come across trough the years, has come from Venezuelans and Spanish news.
To understand the whole mess is complex. Chavez did a great deal of harm to the country, and he was the one who placed Maduro in charge. Maduro was a bus driver and from there to run the country because of Chavez.
Maduro has even said that the great Chavez appeared to him as a bird on the window seal.
Years ago Venezuelans where posting S.O.S. Letters all around the country. Maduro using extremely bad Spanish was saying that they meant “We” are Venezuela. Instead of a distress call.
Many years ago hospitals had no supplies. People did not even had toilet paper.
However just a few months ago, the Maduro family members where posting pictures of them enjoying the rich life in Venezuela.
When it comes to Oil. As I have come to understand, the U…S. Is the only country that pays money, while Russia, China and others do not.
With a large pocket of oil, it is sad that Venezuela is so poor.
I am not an expert nor claim to know the situation well. I simply am aware of it trough years of listening.
The situation in Venezuela has been a very slow death process. Something many people would know, if we would get actual news and not political agendas.
Much of the information that I have come across trough the years, has come from Venezuelans and Spanish news.
To understand the whole mess is complex. Chavez did a great deal of harm to the country, and he was the one who placed Maduro in charge. Maduro was a bus driver and from there to run the country because of Chavez.
Maduro has even said that the great Chavez appeared to him as a bird on the window seal.
Years ago Venezuelans where posting S.O.S. Letters all around the country. Maduro using extremely bad Spanish was saying that they meant “We” are Venezuela. Instead of a distress call.
Many years ago hospitals had no supplies. People did not even had toilet paper.
However just a few months ago, the Maduro family members where posting pictures of them enjoying the rich life in Venezuela.
When it comes to Oil. As I have come to understand, the U…S. Is the only country that pays money, while Russia, China and others do not.
With a large pocket of oil, it is sad that Venezuela is so poor.
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John24
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No, voters placed Maduro in charge.
That’s what years of concerted economic warfare by the U.S. and allies will do. They won’t stop until Venezuela lets the IMF back in, they don’t want to lose it like they lost Bolivia.
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Rockoh22
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My apologies John24. I did not expected you knew much about Venezuela. Can you please elaborate on how the crisis happened? Or if there is any crisis at all. The information I have read or listened to could have been extreme biased.
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qui_est_ce
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I had to look twice!Victoria33:
It isn t you only! He looks quite like Obama in several ones for me too.
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Victoria33
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People are voting with their feet.
The Jimmy Carter Center has called for transparent elections.
The Carter Center supports the valiant efforts of the Venezuelan people to resolve a political conflict that has resulted in economic devastation, a humanitarian crisis, and an exodus of refugees. This is a critical juncture for the Venezuelan people who are calling for democracy.
https://www.cartercenter.org/news/pr/venezuela-020419.html
“, to find a consensual path to credible and transparent elections and the restoration of constitutional order and rule of law.”
https://www.cartercenter.org/news/pr/venezuela-020419.html
Posts 27 and 28 above.
The problem again, is refugees and there is no better proof of the problems.
What if we in the USA saw about 8 to 10% of our population flee? That would be say, 30 million people.
Economic warfare? We had been buying up to 41% of their gas exports.
As said, it’s been a problem for some time.
The Jimmy Carter Center has called for transparent elections.
The Carter Center supports the valiant efforts of the Venezuelan people to resolve a political conflict that has resulted in economic devastation, a humanitarian crisis, and an exodus of refugees. This is a critical juncture for the Venezuelan people who are calling for democracy.
https://www.cartercenter.org/news/pr/venezuela-020419.html
“, to find a consensual path to credible and transparent elections and the restoration of constitutional order and rule of law.”
https://www.cartercenter.org/news/pr/venezuela-020419.html
Posts 27 and 28 above.
The problem again, is refugees and there is no better proof of the problems.
What if we in the USA saw about 8 to 10% of our population flee? That would be say, 30 million people.
Economic warfare? We had been buying up to 41% of their gas exports.
As said, it’s been a problem for some time.
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qui_est_ce
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Thank you for this. It’s not the homeless and drug addicts that are rummaging trash cans for food and toilet paper in Venezuela.
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