Vice Presidential Debate

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_Abyssinia said:
Cnbc poll

Over 10000 votes, 42% say Biden won, 51% say Ryan, 7% neither
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Somewhat interesting, but irrelevant in my view. I want to see polling on undecideds or those who show leans, but not firm commitments, to one of the candidates, who are also likely voters.
 
As I expected, Biden had my interest until the abortion question was asked.

Overall though, I think it’s clear he won. Apparently that’s not the opinion here, but he consistently fact-checked every one of Ryan’s statements, and they were all found wanting. Ryan’s policies were all hypothetical and vague, and his criticisms were all hypothetical “hindsight is 20-20.” He was particularly demolished on foreign policy.

Now, will a real Catholic Democrat please stand up?
 
Between Biden the heretic and Ryan, I’m not too excited about our choices this election. Ryan is clearly better, but he doesn’t seem to have presented a well thought out pro-life argument. It doesn’t have as much to do with the scientific fact that life begins at conception–not even liberals dispute that–but that the unborn like the born are to be protected from murder.

Why didn’t he say at least that he differs somewhat with Romney on the abortion issue as he should?
 
BroomWagon said:
I call it a draw… Biden early did well, Ryan did well through out most of it though being a nice guy may have taken a few punches early on… debate is probably 'inconsequential" as a whole.
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I concur. Biden did well early, was relaxed and I thought connected more with the audience. The 2nd half saw Ryan doing better.
 
let me say as a “small business” owner (I have an A/C business that employs just me and my son), who has been n business since 1997, and I make NO where near that magical number of $250 k, and my taxes went up considerably this year!!
and it is totally amazing to me how anyone who is Catholic can support Obama and his administration!
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
The position of Ryan and Biden was the same on this though both put it slightly differently. Biden said it how it was; he doesn’t believe that Catholicism should be forced upon the people by the Federal Government. Ryan essentially said the he has personal principles that are being sacrificed for the ticket on this issue.
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Catholicism is a proposition. Most people embrace the majority of this proposition, even you.
 
Wow

CNN’s David Gergen
Ryan was more presidential
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CNN’s Gloria Borger
Biden was condescending
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twitter.com/alaskan/status/256584969625931776

NBC’s David Gregory: Biden Came Off As “Maybe Condescending”

Democrat Joe Trippi on Biden
I don’t know about the likability of all that smirking… thought it was condescending
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Wow Chris Wallace said of every debate he’s ever seen, he’s never seen someone as “disrespectful” as Biden–called it “unprecedented”
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IbnFiktur said:
Overall though, I think it’s clear he won. Apparently that’s not the opinion here, but he consistently fact-checked every one of Ryan’s statements, and they were all found wanting. Ryan’s policies were all hypothetical and vague, and his criticisms were all hypothetical “hindsight is 20-20.” He was particularly demolished on foreign policy.
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I think the problem with Ryan was that he sounded like an infomercial and I was expecting to hear the QVC number pop out of his mouth after every pause. Too many rehearsed lines and almost no passion in comparison to Biden.
 
I think there were a few times that I thought Biden could have convinced me, but then, I caught him in some blatant lies. (like no Catholic org will have to pay for abortion or sterilization) So then, I figured those times he almost convinced me are probably well delivered lies. And that he kept referring to protecting the middle class, trying to make them fearful, antoehr indication to me that he’s willing to lie.

The laughing would have been appropriate if the Obama presidency was a great success, then he would have the right to condenscendingly laugh at his challenger. But it’s a huge failure and his laughing was inappropriate.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
I think the problem with Ryan was that he sounded like an infomercial and I was expecting to hear the QVC number pop out of his mouth after every pause. Too many rehearsed lines and almost no passion in comparison to Biden.
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Vote substance.
 
Hope to see the Bishops speak out about this debate, because millions of people watched and may think it is acceptable for Catholics to have divergient views on abortion
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
I think the problem with Ryan was that he sounded like an infomercial and I was expecting to hear the QVC number pop out of his mouth after every pause. Too many rehearsed lines and almost no passion in comparison to Biden.
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And I thought Biden was trying to sell a Shamwow™. I particularly liked the way he continually referred to Benjamin Netanyahu as “Bibi” as if they were spending weekends together in Haifa, rather than snubbing him to go on The View.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
I think the problem with Ryan was that he sounded like an infomercial and I was expecting to hear the QVC number pop out of his mouth after every pause. Too many rehearsed lines and almost no passion in comparison to Biden.
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That was definitely part of the problem. The other part was that most of what he said utterly lacked substance. Biden was far more successful than President Obama was because he actually called Ryan out on that.
 
incense said:
Biden could have convinced me, but then, I caught him in some blatant lies. (like no Catholic org will have to pay for abortion or sterilization) So then, I figured those times he almost convinced me are probably well delivered lies. And that he kept referring to protecting the middle class, trying to make them fearful, antoehr indication to me that he’s willing to lie.

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Among the live tweets at Townhall.com, Ed Morrissey commented that far left winger Van Jones said he could see Ryan as President. Van Jones! Of all people…
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
I think the problem with Ryan was that he sounded like an infomercial and I was expecting to hear the QVC number pop out of his mouth after every pause. Too many rehearsed lines and almost no passion in comparison to Biden.
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:confused::confused: Biden sounded frustrated and upset, that’s not passion.
Ryan seemed prepared and clear…rather have that in my white house
 
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