Biden can’t even spell the word “class”. Obama can … with a teleprompter.The American public likes class. Biden does even know what it is.
Yes, it is. Its certainly better than what we see in most parts of the world when political disagreements happen. They end in fists or random objects being thrown or worse. Let the man chuckle.Really? So it’s okay with you that the Vice President of the US lacks the self-discipline to keep from grinning and chuckling to himself when someone expresses a difference of opinion?
Its undoubtedly happened. You don’t actually believe that Presidents and Vice Presidents never express any kind of frustration or anger towards foreign dignitaries do you?I have to wonder if he does this with foreign dignitaries. Does he do this when he and (his best bud) “Be Be” get together?
What will Women take away from this debate?The American public likes class. Biden does even know what it is.
Interesting because I see the Republican party swinging away from the ‘squish’ Country Club white shoe Republicans that used to rule. I like the freshmen in Congress like Rand Paul who have both a social and fiscal Conservative stance. I just hope they aren’t corrupted by the Beltway although I’m sadly pessimistic about the long term.I think you and I are more or less on the same page.
LisaA: I am NOT an Obama apologist, and I am NOT voting for Obama. In fact in the end I’ll probably end up voting for Romney (as opposed to third party). At the same time I’m truly disappointed with the state of the Republican Party, and have been since Obama took office. Since then they have focused more on what Obama supposedly stands for than figuring out what THEY stand for.
I was about to post the exact same thing!Believe it or not, it has been worse in the past:
senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_Caning_of_Senator_Charles_Sumner.htm
You were clearly bothered by Romney’s “disrespect” of the President, given your previous comments. Yet, you seem to enjoy disrespect and arrogance now. Why the change?Yes, it is. Its certainly better than what we see in most parts of the world when political disagreements happen. They end in fists or random objects being thrown or worse. Let the man chuckle.
Its undoubtedly happened. You don’t actually believe that Presidents and Vice Presidents never express any kind of frustration or anger towards foreign dignitaries do you?
Women are fleeing the Obama ticket right now faster than a nerd dressed up as Pikachu at a local Comic-Con.What will Women take away from this debate?
IMO
Everything women hate about male chauvinism- Mr Biden presented… AND that is what will be remembered. Snarky, condescending, rude, and twisting of facts to meet his ends of belittlement.
He needed to gain the womens bloc momentum for Mr Obama - He turned them off. There are few women, who watched this debate, who if asked, “Did Mr Biden come off like a male chauvinist - Did he use the male chauvinist techniques, we dislike so much, in his debate, answer honestly?” …who will disagree with me.![]()
Yes. That was the real Romney.But was that really Romney?
I loved you in the '88 Olympics, by the way.Yes. That was the real Romney.
In my opinion, Liberals were supprised; they had begun to beleive their own lies about Romny’s character and ability.
I admire Rand Paul as well. I think he will be a strong presidential candidate in the relatively near future.Interesting because I see the Republican party swinging away from the ‘squish’ Country Club white shoe Republicans that used to rule. I like the freshmen in Congress like Rand Paul who have both a social and fiscal Conservative stance. I just hope they aren’t corrupted by the Beltway although I’m sadly pessimistic about the long term.
Contrast RR with George Bush whom I adored for his sincerity and conviction but who was a big spending, big government Republican. McCain too, to a great extent. He’d just spent too much time in Washington to see a non-government approach to our problems. I don’t think a GB43 would have won this year’s nomination.
What do you want to see in the party today? Thank you for not wasting your vote. This is a critical year and we need every vote against Obama and his Leftist agenda.
Lisa
Not to mention that Jefferson used a pseudoymn to slander John Adams, who was his FRIEND! They did make up many years later.I was about to post the exact same thing!
On that note: We all like to bemoan partisanship right now, but it has been far worse at various points in our history. Our earliest history in particular. The Federalists and Republicans were FAR more brutal and slanderous in their attacks than we are accustomed to being frustrated with today.
I wouldn’t say bothered and never said that it was “disrespect.” I think what we saw last night was the difference between a seasoned politician who is knowledgeable enough to speak off the cuff and with passion and a green politician who had very little to offer other than some obviously rehearsed lines. I think Biden came off as a real person, probably not unlike someone most people know, rather than a stiff suit like Ryan. I think he was dwarfed in personality because he doesn’t have the years Biden does under his belt. If Ryan had as much experience then I think he would have done much better and we wouldn’t have seen the semi-pie eyed weakling being trounced by an aggressive seasoned politician scenario that we saw last night.You were clearly bothered by Romney’s “disrespect” of the President, given your previous comments. Yet, you seem to enjoy disrespect and arrogance now. Why the change?
How about the campaigns between John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson? Specifically the claims that Adams was a pimp within the Russian court and Jackson was a bigamist since he had married his wife Rachel before she had gotten her divorce finalized.Not to mention that Jefferson used a pseudoymn to slander John Adams, who was his FRIEND! They did make up many years later.
And of course Vice President Aaron Burr shot and killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel. VP Cheney also shot a lawyer, but it was an accident and not fatal. That is progress.![]()
A duel - now there’s an idea for a debate format!And of course Vice President Aaron Burr shot and killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel.
:whacky:I was impressed with Biden’s handling of the questions tonight’ he had the answers and a viable plan. Ryan on the other hand appeared to be evasive on many of the issues and i think for some independent voters this hurt him.
Biden won this one hands down.
I saw Biden as a typical blowhard politician who is used to blowing smoke up everyone’s behind without actually ever saying anything of substance and trying to hold two contradictory positions as simultaneously true.I wouldn’t say bothered and never said that it was “disrespect.” I think what we saw last night was the difference between a seasoned politician who is knowledgeable enough to speak off the cuff and with passion and a green politician who had very little to offer other than some obviously rehearsed lines. I think Biden came off as a real person, probably not unlike someone most people know, rather than a stiff suit like Ryan. I think he was dwarfed in personality because he doesn’t have the years Biden does under his belt. If Ryan had as much experience then I think he would have done much better and we wouldn’t have seen the semi-pie eyed weakling being trounced by an aggressive seasoned politician scenario that we saw last night.
From the WaPo columnist:I saw Biden as a typical blowhard politician who is used to blowing smoke up everyone’s behind without actually ever saying anything of substance and trying to hold two contradictory positions as simultaneously true.
A debate is scored if it gives your team a boost in ratings. Right now, both teams are competing for the independent and undecided vote. I personally think that if you are undecided after 4 years of this incompetant administration, you must have either been sleeping or in a coma for that time.From the WaPo columnist:
Also, the media assume you won the debate if you managed to yell over the moderator.
Those who thought Biden won could only be basing it on his ability to bellow over both Ryan and sometimes Radditz as well. Does anyone know how a debate is actually scored? Not that we have to get technical but does simply lying in a louder voice than your opponent mean you win?
Biden’s claims were SO completely erroneous if not complete fabrications that he did have Ryan beat something like 7 to 1 with respect to the number of lies/fibs/fairy tales he included in the “points” he was making.
He looked like an old pol from the 60s. All he needed was a smoke filled room and some goons outside waiting to convince the undecideds…all I can say is if you LIKED this and want more of it…wow…I guess to each his own.
Lisa