Villanova University

[condan]

Jermosh:

You may be right. But the point I am trying to state is that it is a real disease, and it needs to be recognized as preventable, if early signs are caught in time. For someone to state the women who are afflicted by this kill on there own free will is an outright fallacy.

How is it preventable? How does it manifest itself? What causes it? What are the symptoms? How long does it last? What does it feel like? Why do some women get it and others don’t? How does it differ from the combination of the stress of having a newborn in the house, not having enough sleep, not being able to shower, balancing a career and motherhood and realizing that as a mother you have no control of your life after being your own master for so long? What is the role of hormones in PPD? How long does it take for hormones to return to their pre-pregnancy level?

Aren’t most murders committed by people who you can make a fairly compelling argument that they were not in their right mind? Take for example David Berkowitz. He was talking with dogs. Jeffrey Dahmer had to be completely out of his mind to eat human flesh. Didn’t the abused Menendez brothers get life? Why are they not relieved of culpability for their actions? Being mentally ill doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t know right from wrong. One could argue that this professor did know right from wrong as evidenced by the extreme remorse that caused her to kill herself. Is it possible that she just snapped under the stress and disappointment of bearing a severly disabled child? Maybe she didn’t have an adequate support system.

The point is that no one really knows her state of mind six months after delivery. It is all speculation. The causes, symptoms and prevention of post-partum depression can be debated until the cows come home. What is for certain is that a memorial to a woman who killed her child and then took her own life is inapprorpiate, especially since NO MENTION of her final actions and what caused them is being made.

 

[pazdziernik]

John Higgins:

Further, I was looking around for names of buildings on Catholic campuses. Here are a few library names for some Catholic schools:

Marquette Rev. John P. Raynor, S.J.
Villanova Rev. Daniel P. Falvey, OSA
St Louis U Pius XII
Gonzaga Ralph and Helen Foley (parents of former SoH Tom Foley), former library after Bing Crosby
Notre Dame Rev. Theodore Hesburgh, CSC

Not any saints here.

John

I have only slight problem with naming buildings after former ecclesiastics, such as former popes, bishops, religious superiors (e.g. Fr. Arrupe, S.J.) if they are not a blessed or saint. However, why not select a blessed or a saint instead? The Church gives us so many to choose from. I do have a problem naming a building after those who donate money. Is money more important than sanctity? Perhaps the school should allow those who donate money to choose the name of the saint or blessed for the building that they make a major financial contribution to?

 

[Jermosh]

See this is exactly what I am talking about. You do not have a clue about the disease. Why? It should be mandatory class for all new parents. I got trained in a lamas class.

Every mother goes thru some form of Post Partum Depression. It is due to the lack of hormones that were produced in the last trimester commonly called the “Glow” this is to prepare her to nest and make a safe surrounding for the coming of the baby. But after the baby the hormones just stop, and due to the lack of them they get depressed abit this is called the “baby blues”. All woman have this in some form, and it varies as well. Our 1st baby was not even noticeable, our 3rd my wife was a bit frumpy. This also is prevelate in the animal kingdom.

Now sometimes for reasons still unknown woman go into severe PPD. The depression gets so bad that it turns clinical. This is the point of prevention; a husband can see the signs and get help well before anything happens. Its easily treatable by hormonal injections and a few weeks of observations in a hospital. Of all the big media SPPD cases, every one of them had the signs that were ignored. I think the husbands are the ones who should be in jail, they are just as guilty.

 

[Jermosh]

condan:

Like Andrea Yates didn’t “bring light” to the disease. Please. The intent of the memorial is to highlight this professors accomplishments. It doesn’t mention her “disease” or the actions it caused.

Need to add a IMO in there somewhere

 

[condan]

Jermosh:

Need to add a IMO in there somewhere

IMHO

 

[condan]

Jermosh:

See this is exactly what I am talking about. You do not have a clue about the disease. Why? It should be mandatory class for all new parents. I got trained in a lamas class.

Every mother goes thru some form of Post Partum Depression. It is due to the lack of hormones that were produced in the last trimester commonly called the “Glow” this is to prepare her to nest and make a safe surrounding for the coming of the baby. But after the baby the hormones just stop, and due to the lack of them they get depressed abit this is called the “baby blues”. All woman have this in some form, and it varies as well. Our 1st baby was not even noticeable, our 3rd my wife was a bit frumpy. This also is prevelate in the animal kingdom.

Now sometimes for reasons still unknown woman go into severe PPD. The depression gets so bad that it turns clinical. This is the point of prevention; a husband can see the signs and get help well before anything happens. Its easily treatable by hormonal injections and a few weeks of observations in a hospital. Of all the big media SPPD cases, every one of them had the signs that were ignored. I think the husbands are the ones who should be in jail, they are just as guilty.

That’s simply not true. Not all women get post-partum depression any more than all women get PMS. Sure, you hormones change, just as they do on a MONTHLY baisis. We are used to that. After your pregnancy, the evidence of this change is more severe because of the type and level of hormones present during pregnancy. These hormonal changes cause your hair to fall out and other lovely manifestations. You also feel stressed, tired, happy and sad simultaneously, frazzled, incompetent (with the first), exhausted and any number of other physical symptoms and emotional symptoms. Having a new baby in the house, especially the first one and espcially at advanced age when we are inflexible and set in our ways, really throws a woman for a loop. However, this does not constitute post-partum depression. If EVERY woman “suffers” from post-partum depression, then anything that they do is excused. I did not have post partum depression. I had the normal bodily changes that every woman goes through. I expected them, I planned for them and I dealt with them.

We desperately need to stop assigning every twinge and hangnail a clinical diagnoses. We also need to stop pretending that evil doesn’t exist. It does. If we don’t recognize this truth, we won’t be able to fight against it and, therefore, will succumb like this poor woman did.

 

[Digitonomy]

John Higgins:

Further, I was looking around for names of buildings on Catholic campuses. Here are a few library names for some Catholic schools:

Marquette Rev. John P. Raynor, S.J.
Villanova Rev. Daniel P. Falvey, OSA
St Louis U Pius XII
Gonzaga Ralph and Helen Foley (parents of former SoH Tom Foley), former library after Bing Crosby
Notre Dame Rev. Theodore Hesburgh, CSC

Not any saints here.

I thought a slightly bigger representative sample might be useful. I went to the NCCAA website to find Catholic colleges, and chose the first ten from each enrollment category. In a few cases I could not find the first name of the man the library was named after, but I did search a Saints index to rule him out as a saint.

I found only one case where a library was specifically named after a saint. There were also a couple cases where the library didn’t have its own name, but a saint gave his name to the library by virtue of the school being named after him. E.g., the Madonna University Library.

Over 10000 enrollment:
St John’s - The Main Library (although it’s within St Augustine Hall)
DePaul - John T. Richardson

7500-10000:
Boston College - Thomas P. O’Neill, Jr.
Notre Dame - Theodore M. Hesburgh, C.S.C.
Loyola Chicago - Elizabeth M. Cudahay

2500-7500
Rockhurst - Robert Greenlease
John Carroll - Melody McMahon Graselli
Marquette - John P. Raynor, S.J.
Manhattan - Thomas O’Malley
Madonna - MU Library
Villanova - Daniel P. Falvey, O.S.A.
Barry - Monsignor William Barry
Santa Clara - Michel Orradre
Saint Mary’s San Antonio - Louis J. Blume, S.M.
Saint Joseph’s - Francis A. Drexel

<2500
Rosemont - Gertrude Kistler
Rivier - Regina
Regis College - RC Library
Regis U - Dayton
Walsh - Br Edmond Drouin
Wheeling Jesuit - Bishop Hodges
Quincy - Brenner
Our Lady of the Lake - Sr Elizabeth Anne Sueltenfuss
Mount Marty - Mother Jerome Schmitt
Mount Mary - Patrick & Beatrice Haggerty

10 points to anyone who can identify the alphabet I used to order them.

 

[Almeria]

John Higgins:

Further, I was looking around for names of buildings on Catholic campuses. Here are a few library names for some Catholic schools:

Marquette Rev. John P. Raynor, S.J.
Villanova Rev. Daniel P. Falvey, OSA
St Louis U Pius XII
Gonzaga Ralph and Helen Foley (parents of former SoH Tom Foley), former library after Bing Crosby
Notre Dame Rev. Theodore Hesburgh, CSC

Not any saints here.

John

For the record, it’s Venerable Pius XII. While he may not be canonized yet, he has at least reached Venerable status. So please, do your homework.

And Katherine, where on earth do you get your information? There are no seven buildings “named after people whose outstanding virtue is their money”. The only buildings not named after a saint, God, Mary, or place are Egan, Starvaggi, the J.C. Williams Center, and Finnegan Fieldhouse. I can’t imagine that you would think that Fr. Egan, TOR,'s most outstanding virtue is his money. Wouldn’t that rather contradict his vow of poverty? Starvaggi (I believe he also was a priest) was also key in the creation of the university as it is today. I do not remember whom J.C. Williams and Finnegan were. Even if they did donate money to build those particular buildings (which I have no problem with), that’s 2 out of over 20 buildings. A far cry from your seven. There’s no need to be making things up and attempting to discredit Steubenville.

 

[Jermosh]

Every woman goes thur some level of PPD after pregnancy.
What you are not getting or are refusing to get. Is that it is a real desease and its stoppable. The point is to stop it before it happens.

 

[condan]

Jermosh:

Every woman goes thur some level of PPD after pregnancy.
What you are not getting or are refusing to get. Is that it is a real desease and its stoppable. The point is to stop it before it happens.

How do you stop it?

 

[Fitz]

pazdziernik:

Have you read that Villanova University, a Catholic school dedicated on Thursday a new addition of their library to a woman who committed suicide and admitted to killing her 6 month-old daughter who had Down Syndrome?

here a link to the story:
www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16769

According to the article, “A number of students are ‘very upset’ over the university’s decisionÊ”

They got so much mail and feedback that the name is now taken down. It has just been reported on O’Reilly. They felt they did not take proper care in their process.

 

[HagiaSophia]

Fitz:

They got so much mail and feedback that the name is now taken down. It has just been reported on O’Reilly. They felt they did not take proper care in their process.

Translation: We got caught at it; feedback nationally is a disaster and our alum’s are threatening to cancel their pledges. We are therefore cancelling this outrage until it all dies down and goes away.

 

[Fitz]

HagiaSophia:

Translation: We got caught at it; feedback nationally is a disaster and our alum’s are threatening to cancel their pledges. We are therefore cancelling this outrage until it all dies down and goes away.

That is exactly what Bill O’Reilly said tonight when he had Horowitz (sp?) on from Stanford.

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

katherine2:

Because money talks. Franciscan University at Stubenville has seven buildings named after people whose outstanding virtue is their money.

And you call other people hateful

 

[Fitz]

Fitz:

That is exactly what Bill O’Reilly said tonight when he had Horowitz (sp?) on from Stanford.

Oops! Mistake! I take this back. There were two college scandals going on this week. This response I wrote is about the Hamilton one and the guest speaker that they cancelled (Churchill) form Colorado. Please disregard.

 

[HagiaSophia]

Fitz:

That is exactly what Bill O’Reilly said tonight when he had Horowitz (sp?) on from Stanford.

I saw the program too - although it was a different case, it works the same in both. That’s how pressure is applied. What stunned me was the list of former fugitives engaged in violent acts against the citizens and institutions of this country who are now tenured professors teaching our kids. Staggering.

 

[Fitz]

HagiaSophia:

I saw the program too - although it was a different case, it works the same in both. That’s how pressure is applied. What stunned me was the list of former fugitives engaged in violent acts against the citizens and institutions of this country who are now tenured professors teaching our kids. Staggering.

You know there was an unfortunate chain of events in Chicago that was about this very topic. Right at the same time as 9-11 there was a profile of one of there very people he was mentioning that they were highlighting in the Chicago Tribune. It was super bad timing and the Tribune got tons of complaints. I wish I could remember the name of the person. I have a bad memory for names. However, they had to write an apology because so many complained. Chicago was home to many of the dissidents during that era. Remember the Chicago 7? Wasn’t Tom Hayden part of that, one of Jane Fondas husbands? I was working downtown Chicago during that trial. What a circus.

 

[Digitonomy]

Lisa4Catholics:

katherine2:

			 *Because money talks. Franciscan University at Stubenville has seven buildings named after people whose outstanding virtue is their money.*

And you call other people hateful

I don’t think there’s cause to get angry here. katherine2, athough she apparently miscounted, made a perfectly valid point. Campus buildings are very often named after those who have donated big sums of money. My brief survey of Catholic colleges above demonstrates that.

Now it may be that some of those libraries I mentioned are named for pillars of their parish communities. But I think we all know that when it comes time to name a building, a priest or nun or other religious may be chosen occasionally, a beloved parishoner who gave freely of their talents or lived a holy life less frequently, while a generous donor will have the inside track.

And if doing so generates more money to further the mission of the Church, so much the better.

 

[Almeria]

digitonomy:

I don’t think there’s cause to get angry here. katherine2, athough she apparently miscounted, made a perfectly valid point. Campus buildings are very often named after those who have donated big sums of money. My brief survey of Catholic colleges above demonstrates that.

Now it may be that some of those libraries I mentioned are named for pillars of their parish communities. But I think we all know that when it comes time to name a building, a priest or nun or other religious may be chosen occasionally, a beloved parishoner who gave freely of their talents or lived a holy life less frequently, while a generous donor will have the inside track.

And if doing so generates more money to further the mission of the Church, so much the better.

Miscounted? How can you miscount by 5? It’s not like there’s a ton of buildings at Steubenville in the first place. It’s exactly as Lisa says–a hateful comment. I’m not arguing whether or not the practice of naming buildings after large donors is right or wrong. That’s a separate issue altogether. The issue at hand is blantantly lying about something that the poster knows nothing about. If I hadn’t posted about the truth, how many people would think worse about Steubenville, believing what Katherine said?

 

[Digitonomy]

Almeria:

Miscounted? How can you miscount by 5? It’s not like there’s a ton of buildings at Steubenville in the first place. It’s exactly as Lisa says–a hateful comment.

An ignorant comment? Likely. Hateful? You must be more discerning of her heart than I am.

I prefer to be charitable in assessing the intent of others.

How can you miscount by 5? Here’s how: I look at a map of Franciscan, and count 9 buildings with names I do not know to be Saints: JC Williams, Finnegan, Clare, Kolbe, Vaccaro, Egan/Stafford, Starvaggi, Vianney, Scotus. If I stop to examine the fine print more closely, I see that Vaccaro is merely a ball field. That leaves me with 8.

I am sure you can educate me as to which of these are Saints or otherwise non-donors, and I appreciate it. There’s always more to learn.

The idea that 2 buildings named after donors is fine, but that 7 is scandalous, strikes me as absurd. Either it’s right, or it’s not right. I think it’s perfectly OK, and if I were seeking an example to make my point, I might very well select Franciscan, which is known for its fidelity to Catholic teaching. Doing so would not make me hateful.

Nonetheless, it was ignorant of the facts, and definitely careless of katherine2 to post with the air of certainty which she did. Simply saying “It appears that…” would have made the point, but left room for legitimate doubt, doubt which you rightly verified.