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condan:
How do you stop it?
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Its usually treated with a hormonal/drug regiment and some hospital observations if needed. The homelife situation also has allot to do with it. They are doing a study on why the big media cases are all form TX for somereason, so maybe it has some cultural issues as well.

My cousin had a case of SPPD a few years ago. Luckly my grandmother saw that she was in need of some help. After about 6 weeks she was perfectly fine and happy, although she did go thru some office visits, and the DSS was involved with home visits for awhile. She was telling my grandmother that the baby was competting with her over her husband for attention, and that she felt the baby has a demonic spirit. She is very level headed and quite normal now.
 
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Jermosh:
Wrong analogy. Yates husband refused to help his wife even after her pleads, he refused to allow her to get help as well. He had every sign that she was severly depressed. Woman who are in a state of SPPD are not normal by any means, they are litterly acting crazy. They tell stories of demons talking to them, or a infant talking to them, sever jeolousy. This was the case in the Yates case. Sorry but I have a moral and civic dutie to do something if my wife starts telling me our infant is possesed by a demon.
Now as for can they really go to jail? The worse they could get was neglect. But I think they are just as guilty if not more.
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Nobody gets possessed to the point that they are willing to kill their children simply because they had a child and their hormone levels changed. There are other factors involved. Possible a neglectful husband, possible something else - but nobody gets off the hook for killing kids. It is written on their heart that it is wrong.
 
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Jermosh:
Its not your job to look for signs of SPPD. Its the job of your husband, mother, sister, friends, etc, etc.
Most woman show little or no signs of PPD. A few do have some noticeble sign of depression, in the case of severe depression it is very obvios.
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This is psychological silliness. People have to take responsbility for themselves, whether it is physcial illness or mental illness. Many years ago, I had anxiety and it was me that had to recognize it and do something about it to correct it.
 
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Brad:
This is psychological silliness. People have to take responsbility for themselves, whether it is physcial illness or mental illness. Many years ago, I had anxiety and it was me that had to recognize it and do something about it to correct it.
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Sounds like a great ideal in a perfect world. Things happen in a (name removed by moderator)erfect world though. Also you cannot compare anxiety with clinical depression that leads to homocidal and suicidal acts. If the person is not in their right mind how can they be responsible to get help?
 
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Brad:
Nobody gets possessed to the point that they are willing to kill their children simply because they had a child and their hormone levels changed. There are other factors involved. Possible a neglectful husband, possible something else - but nobody gets off the hook for killing kids. It is written on their heart that it is wrong.
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Hey if you think you have a answer please elaborate better with some form of expretise. Otherwise I will stick to the experts in that field.
 
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Fiat:
I don’t mean to get off track here, but one of the basic premises of American Jurisprudence is that there is NO LEGAL OBLIGATION to help anyone! Although this isn’t a very Christian concept, can you imagine the lawsuits that would exist if such an obligation were imposed on people?!

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Actually this is not true. Since I am a trained ERT member for my company I have an ethical and civil responsibility to help someone during a medical emergency at my job place. A Dr, Nurse, or Paramedic also has a legal obligation to help someone in a medical emergency no matter where they are. A parent has a legal obligation to help or get help for a child in need. I see no reason why someone who is in a legal contract with another cannot be held responsible for not reacting to obvious signs of possible mental issues. Granted at the most they can be charged with neglect but I think it should carry a murder charge.
 
VILLANOVA RETRACTS HONOR FOR FACULTY MEMBER

Last week, Catholic Higher Education Alert reported that Villanova University had dedicated a memorial plaque to the former director of Villanova’s Center for Arab and Islamic Studies in a lounge of the campus library. In 2003, Mine Ener killed herself while awaiting trial for cutting the throat of her 6-month-old daughter, allegedly to end the child’s suffering from complications related to Down syndrome.

As late as last Thursday, Barbara Clement, Villanova’s Assistant Vice President for Communications and Public Affairs, responded to e-mail complaints with a defense of the memorial and an appeal to “compassion not condemnation.” But Catholic Higher Education Alert readers’ complaints to Villanova – part of a large public outcry following local and national media coverage of the memorial – caused University officials on Monday to announce that they would remove the plaque from the library as a result of “concerns raised by members of the… community and beyond.” As a more appropriate remembrance of Ener and her struggle with post-partum depression, Villanova will convene an academic symposium to advance understanding of the psychosis.

CONTACT: Rev. Edmund Dobbin, OSA, President, Villanova University, 800 Lancaster Ave., Villanova, PA 19085; (610) 519-4500;
Edmund.dobbin@villanova.edu.
 
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Jermosh:
Sounds like a great ideal in a perfect world. Things happen in a (name removed by moderator)erfect world though. Also you cannot compare anxiety with clinical depression that leads to homocidal and suicidal acts. If the person is not in their right mind how can they be responsible to get help?
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Now there you are making a judgement about people with anxiety.

Believe me, it’s no picnic and you do feel like you’re losing control but it is not an excuse to take it out on somebody else.

Anxiety and depression are closely related.
 
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Jermosh:
Hey if you think you have a answer please elaborate better with some form of expretise. Otherwise I will stick to the experts in that field.
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The experts in the field have told us that homosexual behavior is not a mental disorder. I’ll go with the expert of knowledge - God - it’s never steered anyone wrong.
 
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buffalo:
VILLANOVA RETRACTS HONOR FOR FACULTY MEMBER

Last week, Catholic Higher Education Alert reported that Villanova University had dedicated a memorial plaque to the former director of Villanova’s Center for Arab and Islamic Studies in a lounge of the campus library. In 2003, Mine Ener killed herself while awaiting trial for cutting the throat of her 6-month-old daughter, allegedly to end the child’s suffering from complications related to Down syndrome.

As late as last Thursday, Barbara Clement, Villanova’s Assistant Vice President for Communications and Public Affairs, responded to e-mail complaints with a defense of the memorial and an appeal to “compassion not condemnation.” But Catholic Higher Education Alert readers’ complaints to Villanova – part of a large public outcry following local and national media coverage of the memorial – caused University officials on Monday to announce that they would remove the plaque from the library as a result of “concerns raised by members of the… community and beyond.” As a more appropriate remembrance of Ener and her struggle with post-partum depression, Villanova will convene an academic symposium to advance understanding of the psychosis.

CONTACT: Rev. Edmund Dobbin, OSA, President, Villanova University, 800 Lancaster Ave., Villanova, PA 19085; (610) 519-4500;
Edmund.dobbin@villanova.edu.
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I didn’t realize she was director of Arab and Islamic studies but can’t say that I’m all that surprised.
 
I suffer from post tramatic stress, I know what anxiety is and can do. It cannot compare to someone who is clinically depressed.
 
May I ask where you pulled that one from, what does homosexuality and SPPD have to do with the price of tea in China?
Also under Christs covenent she would not be guilty of Mortal Sin. Her culpibilty was removed due to her pychological state. Try again please.
 
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Jermosh:
I suffer from post tramatic stress, I know what anxiety is and can do. It cannot compare to someone who is clinically depressed.
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Are you also clinically depressed and therefore can draw fair and balanced comparisons?
 
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Jermosh:
Can I ask why?
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In general and of late, Catholic colleges have focused on a great deal of false teachings and very little focus (if any) on the teachings that are of the Catholic faith.
 
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Jermosh:
May I ask where you pulled that one from, what does homosexuality and SPPD have to do with the price of tea in China?
Also under Christs covenent she would not be guilty of Mortal Sin. Her culpibilty was removed due to her pychological state. Try again please.
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My point is that psychologists have been wrong in the past are are sometimes wrong today.

As far as mortal sin, that is something only God knows. All I know is that it is wrong to kill your child.
 
I spoke with a friend of mine about the naming of buildings, and was told that the going rate at his (somewhat small) school was about $25 million, but that for some of the buildings that remained unnamed, they might entertain an offer as low as $10 million.
 
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GoodKnight1443:
Once one murders a helpless child and then commits suicide, a hall should not be dedicated to that person. How ever if the University had keep the tragedy in mind and perhaps started a fund or a program to help treat women with potpartum depression to prevent the horror from happening again may have been a more appropriate gesture.
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Does not surprise me from the very liberal PROVINCE of Augustininas (O.S.A.'s) who run Villanova. These are the same guys and Province who in their BRONX, NEW YORK Parish denied Communion to a friend of mine about two years ago because her grave crime was kneeling to recieve Communion.
 
Is this the meaning of “Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.”?

Let’s get real folks.
 
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pazdziernik:
I think the point is not to judge culpability of this woman who the university is honoring but rather to see why they honor her? Shouldn’t they have selected a recent Catholic intellectual saint such as Edith Stein?

Boston College near Boston has a building named after the former speaker of the House Tip O’Neil. Why are many Catholic schools unwilling to name their buildings after saints?
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I attend Seton Hall University in New Jersey(a diocesan run school). You want to talk about schools not naming buldings after saints? The two most recent buildings built, were named after men who were shortly afterwards arrested for money laundering. (ie- Kozlowski Hall, etc)

These schools are hestitant to show a Catholic environment because they want to cater to their other denominations.

On campus we have Zen Christianity clubs, an Islamic Society, we are building meditation rooms (as if our chapels aren’t good enough), Gay/bi/transgendered social club, “ecumenical”/non denominational christian groups, where gosh forbid you are to pray to our blessed Mother. Our campus has all of this, and is “multicultered,” but heaven forbid we(SHU) offered a Tridentine mass… or showed a interest in the rich, beautiful tradition of the Catholic Church.
(i could go on for pages about the struggles of being a devout Catholic here, but i’ll save that for another time)

Figured I’d just set that out there… the point being that Boston College and Villanova are not alone.

As Always…
Yours in Christ,
Kathleen
 
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