Villanova University

[condan]

digitonomy:

An ignorant comment? Likely. Hateful? You must be more discerning of her heart than I am.

I prefer to be charitable in assessing the intent of others.

How can you miscount by 5? Here’s how: I look at a map of Franciscan, and count 9 buildings with names I do not know to be Saints: JC Williams, Finnegan, Clare, Kolbe, Vaccaro, Egan/Stafford, Starvaggi, Vianney, Scotus. If I stop to examine the fine print more closely, I see that Vaccaro is merely a ball field. That leaves me with 8.

I am sure you can educate me as to which of these are Saints or otherwise non-donors, and I appreciate it. There’s always more to learn.

The idea that 2 buildings named after donors is fine, but that 7 is scandalous, strikes me as absurd. Either it’s right, or it’s not right. I think it’s perfectly OK, and if I were seeking an example to make my point, I might very well select Franciscan, which is known for its fidelity to Catholic teaching. Doing so would not make me hateful.

Nonetheless, it was ignorant of the facts, and definitely careless of katherine2 to post with the air of certainty which she did. Simply saying “It appears that…” would have made the point, but left room for legitimate doubt, doubt which you rightly verified.

Kolbe and Vianney are saints. Egan is a cardinal.

As far as one’s main virtue being money, I wasn’t aware that being rich and having a dedication to the faith were mutually exclusive. Tom Monaghan (founder of Dominos Pizza) comes instantly to mind.

 

[Almeria]

St. Clare of Assisi (it is a Franciscan university, after all)
St. Maximillian Kolbe
St. John Vianney
Bl. John Duns Scotus

Conan, the Egan is question helped create the University as it is today, as opposed to the Cardinal.

I generally do try to ascribe charitable intentions to other posters. But unfounded accusations against my alma mater by a person who continually posts unchartiable comments–I could not let this go. If someone wants to point fingers at a university and claim it is all about money, they better have done their homework beforehand.

 

[Brad]

pazdziernik:

I think the point is not to judge culpability of this woman who the university is honoring but rather to see why they honor her? Shouldn’t they have selected a recent Catholic intellectual saint such as Edith Stein?

Boston College near Boston has a building named after the former speaker of the House Tip O’Neil. Why are many Catholic schools unwilling to name their buildings after saints?

They should have named it after the down syndrome baby.

 

[Brad]

John Higgins:

No, but it does remove the culpability from murder, and it renders mortal sin highly unlikely.

John

That is somewhat doubtful in this case. She would have to not have been able to think about what she was doing and it seems she did think of what she was doing as she pondered the “terrible” life her baby would have to endure.

 

[Brad]

John Higgins:

Ah, but not mental illness.

John

PS: For your homework, review the conditions which must be in place for a person to commit a mortal sin.

I think you interpretation might excuse all murderers, just as our justice system is working towards. If anyone kills someone, you have to presume they have some type of mental illness. That doesn’t mean they didn’t have full knowledge and full consent however.

 

[Brad]

katherine2:

Because money talks. Franciscan University at Stubenville has seven buildings named after people whose outstanding virtue is their money.

Franciscan University is one of the premier Catholic colleges in the country. I highly doubt any of those building were named after un-repentant murderers, adulterers etc.

 

[Brad]

Jermosh:

I never stated she should be excused. I did state that the illness is real, whether or not you feel it is ok or not matters little.
The fact is it needs to be adressed because it is a real illness and it does kill people. It can be easliy diagnosed before any harm happens. I think this memorial does that.

Diseases kill people. People murder people. This woman murdered two people, one of them being herself.

The memorial would likely discourage more woman from having children than encourage more women to seek help when they are feeling down.

 

[Brad]

Jermosh:

See this is exactly what I am talking about. You do not have a clue about the disease. Why? It should be mandatory class for all new parents. I got trained in a lamas class.

Every mother goes thru some form of Post Partum Depression. It is due to the lack of hormones that were produced in the last trimester commonly called the “Glow” this is to prepare her to nest and make a safe surrounding for the coming of the baby. But after the baby the hormones just stop, and due to the lack of them they get depressed abit this is called the “baby blues”. All woman have this in some form, and it varies as well. Our 1st baby was not even noticeable, our 3rd my wife was a bit frumpy. This also is prevelate in the animal kingdom.

Now sometimes for reasons still unknown woman go into severe PPD. The depression gets so bad that it turns clinical. This is the point of prevention; a husband can see the signs and get help well before anything happens. Its easily treatable by hormonal injections and a few weeks of observations in a hospital. Of all the big media SPPD cases, every one of them had the signs that were ignored. I think the husbands are the ones who should be in jail, they are just as guilty.

I was fine with your explanation until the last sentence. I think that is outrageous. Would you put the wives in jail if she was severly injured because her abusive husband consistently beat her and she never sought shelter?

 

[Brad]

condan:

We desperately need to stop assigning every twinge and hangnail a clinical diagnoses. We also need to stop pretending that evil doesn’t exist. It does. If we don’t recognize this truth, we won’t be able to fight against it and, therefore, will succumb like this poor woman did.

Amen.

I’ve noticed that most people get tired and that many of them, when they are tired, don’t act as nice to other people. Should tiredness allow someone off the hook for a crime?

 

[Fiat]

Jermosh:

I think the husbands are the ones who should be in jail, they are just as guilty.

I don’t mean to get off track here, but one of the basic premises of American Jurisprudence is that there is NO LEGAL OBLIGATION to help anyone! Although this isn’t a very Christian concept, can you imagine the lawsuits that would exist if such an obligation were imposed on people?!

Fiat

 

[Brad]

Almeria:

There’s no need to be making things up and attempting to discredit Steubenville.

Oh but there is a need when your motivation is to modify the Church’s teachings.

 

[Brad]

Jermosh:

Every woman goes thur some level of PPD after pregnancy.
What you are not getting or are refusing to get. Is that it is a real desease and its stoppable. The point is to stop it before it happens.

This is interesting. You are telling a woman that she had PPD when she said she did not. Well - I say you have the Chicken Pox.

 

[condan]

Almeria:

St. Clare of Assisi (it is a Franciscan university, after all)
St. Maximillian Kolbe
St. John Vianney
Bl. John Duns Scotus

Conan, the Egan is question helped create the University as it is today, as opposed to the Cardinal.

I generally do try to ascribe charitable intentions to other posters. But unfounded accusations against my alma mater by a person who continually posts unchartiable comments–I could not let this go. If someone wants to point fingers at a university and claim it is all about money, they better have done their homework beforehand.

I’m with you all the way. Thanks for the clarification on Egan. I also didn’t know about Blessed John Duns Scotus. I’ll do some research to learn more about this holy person. Thanks for the info.

Yours in Christ,
Katherine

(not the other one…K2 that is)

 

[StJeanneDArc]

Jermosh:

Every woman goes thur some level of PPD after pregnancy.
What you are not getting or are refusing to get. Is that it is a real desease and its stoppable. The point is to stop it before it happens.

Wow, I’m glad I wasn’t aware of that when I had my 4 children. About 2 weeks after my first was born I had a few days of feeling pretty bad, but I also had an infection and the antibiotics made me feel sick to my stomach, so I attributed it to that. My following 3 children were easy deliveries and I felt pretty good and happy with my blessings. Had I known that PPD was a given I would have been sure to look for the signs and symptoms instead of just feeling happy.

 

[Almeria]

condan:

I’m with you all the way. Thanks for the clarification on Egan. I also didn’t know about Blessed John Duns Scotus. I’ll do some research to learn more about this holy person. Thanks for the info.

Yours in Christ,
Katherine

(not the other one…K2 that is)

Duns Scotus is awesome. Another Franciscan. I had enough credits to get a Franciscan Studies minor if it had existed eariler. It was so great to be learning about so many neat Franciscans.

 

[condan]

StJeanneDArc:

Wow, I’m glad I wasn’t aware of that when I had my 4 children. About 2 weeks after my first was born I had a few days of feeling pretty bad, but I also had an infection and the antibiotics made me feel sick to my stomach, so I attributed it to that. My following 3 children were easy deliveries and I felt pretty good and happy with my blessings. Had I known that PPD was a given I would have been sure to look for the signs and symptoms instead of just feeling happy.

Funny thing but of all the women I know, not one has had PPD. I am one of three sisters, I have sisters-in-law and cousins galore, not to mentions friends and (former) co-workers. Not one has mentioned PPD.

But “its a disease” and “every women gets it” so “it must be stopped”.

Puhlease!

 

[Fitz]

condan:

Funny thing but of all the women I know, not one has had PPD. I am one of three sisters, I have sisters-in-law and cousins galore, not to mentions friends and (former) co-workers. Not one has mentioned PPD.

But “its a disease” and “every women gets it” so “it must be stopped”.

Puhlease!

I never met a person with it either, however I do think it is real and that some have suffered. I just don’t think we dedicate builidings to people that had it and didn’t get help. I have often wondered if PPD is really bipolar untreated or something like that untreated. The depression might be accelerated by having given birth. Just a thought. I do agree with you Condan.

 

[Jermosh]

Brad:

I was fine with your explanation until the last sentence. I think that is outrageous. Would you put the wives in jail if she was severly injured because her abusive husband consistently beat her and she never sought shelter?

Wrong analogy. Yates husband refused to help his wife even after her pleads, he refused to allow her to get help as well. He had every sign that she was severly depressed. Woman who are in a state of SPPD are not normal by any means, they are litterly acting crazy. They tell stories of demons talking to them, or a infant talking to them, sever jeolousy. This was the case in the Yates case. Sorry but I have a moral and civic dutie to do something if my wife starts telling me our infant is possesed by a demon.
Now as for can they really go to jail? The worse they could get was neglect. But I think they are just as guilty if not more.

 

[Jermosh]

Brad:

I was fine with your explanation until the last sentence. I think that is outrageous. Would you put the wives in jail if she was severly injured because her abusive husband consistently beat her and she never sought shelter?

Brad:

I was fine with your explanation until the last sentence. I think that is outrageous. Would you put the wives in jail if she was severly injured because her abusive husband consistently beat her and she never sought shelter?

Wrong analogy. Yates husband refused to help his wife even after her pleads, he refused to allow her to get help as well. He had every sign that she was severly depressed. Woman who are in a state of SPPD are not normal by any means, they are litterly acting crazy. They tell stories of demons talking to them, or a infant talking to them, sever jeolousy. This was the case in the Yates case. Sorry but I have a moral and civic dutie to do something if my wife starts telling me our infant is possesed by a demon.
Now as for can they really go to jail? The worse they could get was neglect. But I think they are just as guilty if not more.

 

[Jermosh]

StJeanneDArc:

Wow, I’m glad I wasn’t aware of that when I had my 4 children. About 2 weeks after my first was born I had a few days of feeling pretty bad, but I also had an infection and the antibiotics made me feel sick to my stomach, so I attributed it to that. My following 3 children were easy deliveries and I felt pretty good and happy with my blessings. Had I known that PPD was a given I would have been sure to look for the signs and symptoms instead of just feeling happy.

Its not your job to look for signs of SPPD. Its the job of your husband, mother, sister, friends, etc, etc.
Most woman show little or no signs of PPD. A few do have some noticeble sign of depression, in the case of severe depression it is very obvios.