Walmart employee Thanksgiving donations at Canton store cause controversy

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Corki said:
That’s the average ($8.52) for checkers. No one makes $7 since that’s below the minimum wage. And, of course, some make the minimum wage. That’s why it’s the minimum wage. It’s the salary at the bottom of the salary scale. The average for CS managers is according to several sites, around $30K. Even on the forums where people complain about walmart, they have CS managers at around $12/hour (about $25K).
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The point is that these are dismal wages.
 
estesbob said:
It is amazing how many people’s solutions to helping the poor is :
  1. Have somebody else pay higher taxes
  2. Have somebody else pay higher wages
As I said before its easy to be compassionate with somebody else’s money
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I think it is entirely possible to help the poor yourself while simultaneously arguing that an employer should look to their pay policies and that the State should do more to support its citizens. 🤷
 
Ridgerunner said:
Well,for one thing GM still owes the government a lot of money. If the company had gone bankrupt, somebody would have bought it out and the taxpayer (and consumer, presumably) would not have to pay that debt.
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GM actually re-paid or handed back the TARP loan with interest. We own stock still but I’m not sure how to consider that. I guess it could be good for the future.🤷

ATB
 
Mrs_Sally said:
I think it is entirely possible to help the poor yourself while simultaneously arguing that an employer should look to their pay policies and that the State should do more to support its citizens. 🤷
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The former is Catholics teaching-the latter is not.
 
estesbob said:
The former is Catholics teaching-the latter is not.
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The latter is not necessarily against Catholic teaching. For example, we can argue the wisdom of a living wage law, but arguing for one is not against Catholic teaching.
 
Mickey_Finn said:
Your attitude is confusing. I get the impression that you under pressure not to ask for the pay increase you seem to require. Try to remember it is not generally a matter of can’t pay, more they don’t want to. 😉

ATB
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I don’t require an increase in pay. If it happens that I require more money, I simply pick up an extra day (either at my hospital, or another hospital)— not expect my employer to increase my pay because I have more bills at the time, that to me are more important than another person’s dependents. When in reality, all of our bills are important. What is also very important is being paid fairly according to one’s education/skills and experience, rather than the bills we have created for ourselves by choosing our lifestyle.
 
Mickey_Finn said:
Originally Posted by Rence View Post
On the flipside, those employees who want more than what a company offers can just look elsewhere for employment
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It’s not baffling to me to agree to a rate of pay by accepting a job and then whining about it later that the pay is “unfair”. You can whine about it, that’s okay. But the next thing to do is look for a job that pays more, rather than try to badger your employer for more money than your skill/education level allows, knowing one is asking way more than they should get.
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seekerz said:
I’m truly baffled by the lack of reference to the Catholic teaching on work and remuneration. I’m pretty sure it would be hard to find a teaching that calls demands for a just wage “whining”. If the just wage concept exists, then it must also be attainable.
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You won’t be able to find a Church teaching that calls demands for a just wage “whining”. The key word is “just wage”. Demanding $15 or $18/hour for unskilled labor, knowing that skilled laborers are making less isn’t asking for a “just wage” but it certainly is a lot of whinage.
 
Of course one of the problems here is that the Church has never specified what the appropriate workweek is. In the US we tend to think 40 hours, but there is no evidence that when the Popes wrote about a living wage they meant it had to earn you enough after 40 hours. So perhaps Walmart is paying a just wage, the workers just need to work more hours?
 
stinkcat_14 said:
The latter is not necessarily against Catholic teaching. For example, we can argue the wisdom of a living wage law, but arguing for one is not against Catholic teaching.
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Agreed.And as an employer I believe I should pay a living wage-and I do.But it is as lot easier to define what that is when you are a small business and I most certainly don’t want the Govt telling me what I should pay
 
qui_est_ce said:
Capitalist Pig! 😛
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Oink. Oink. Better to eat what you earn than to demand from someone else what you have not earned. A lot of people should be eating less. At least I am a lean Capitalist Pig!

I know you were joking. I just put this here in case others wanted to report you for abuse.
 
Rence said:
It’s not baffling to me to agree to a rate of pay by accepting a job and then whining about it later that the pay is “unfair”. You can whine about it, that’s okay. But the next thing to do is look for a job that pays more, rather than try to badger your employer for more money than your skill/education level allows, knowing one is asking way more than they should get.
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I guess you are trying to defend your submissive attitude towards your employer. For the record we don’t whine we negotiate. This is where you sit at the table and present your facts. I don’t mean to come across as criticizing your working extra shifts to make more. Only that if you find you must work extra to pay for common things, it’s certainly time to look at your pay scale. We are digging out of a recession where all but the wealthiest took a big hit. It’s time to regain what was lost, and level the field between capital, and labor. I wish you the best in your endeavors.

ATB
 
estesbob said:
Agreed.And as an employer I believe I should pay a living wage-and I do.But it is as lot easier to define what that is when you are a small business and I most certainly don’t want the Govt telling me what I should pay
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That’s the same argument abortionists make.
 
Rence said:
I don’t require an increase in pay. If it happens that I require more money, I simply pick up an extra day (either at my hospital, or another hospital)— not expect my employer to increase my pay because I have more bills at the time, that to me are more important than another person’s dependents. When in reality, all of our bills are important. What is also very important is being paid fairly according to one’s education/skills and experience, rather than the bills we have created for ourselves by choosing our lifestyle.
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Very well said Rence. You are taking responsibility for your choices, rather than expecting your employer to take that responsibility.
 
estesbob said:
Say what? You are actually comparing a discussion over wage policy to the slaughter of the unborn!!!

Bye
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I have had to put some people who refuse to answer posts with logical replies on ignore. It is useless trying to engage them in coherent discussions. :o
 
estesbob said:
Say what? You are actually comparing a discussion over wage policy to the slaughter of the unborn!!!

Bye
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You are saying the government shouldn’t be involved in the establishment of fair wages - that it is should be your decision. Abortionists say that government shouldn’t be involved in the establishment of how a women manages her body - that it should be her decision.

It is seen as the same argument (government doesn’t have a role to play in implementing church teaching) and undercuts the pro-life agenda.
 
qui_est_ce said:
I have had to put some people who refuse to answer posts with logical replies on ignore. It is useless trying to engage them in coherent discussions. :o
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You shouldn’t ignore Estesbob - that’s being uncharitable.
 
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