Walmart walkout: workers mount black Friday job action

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oldcelt said:
You’re probably right, but Walmart is the ultimate big target. They are very hard to miss, and many of their practices make it all the easier.

John
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Wal-Mart has raised the homogenization of the american commercial landscape to a science. A simple market-based science.
 
ringil said:
It does make it OK- that is the very point of my posts.

Start with the workers and move from there.

Once Google or Starbucks employees start raising their voices- yes- it’s time to pay attention.

Wal-Mart is plagued with employee complaints.
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Yes. You prefer the kinder, gentler slaveholder who lulls his slaves into loving their master.
 
datritle said:
it is so disheartening to hear my fellow Catholics say, suck it up, you’re poor, you’re lazy and it’s the best you can get, so get back to work. WE ALL DESERVE DIGNITY IN WORK. WHATEVER THAT WORK MAY BE. i stand in solidarity with the walmart WORKERS. Godd bless you and stand by you.
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I am assuming you have seen what you posted in this thread so please give me the post number where it was said to suck it up, you’re poor, you’re lazy and it’s the besst you can get, so get back to work.

I stand with both the workers and the employers. Why is it that it has to be one or the other instead of both? Neither can do without the other.
 
oldcelt said:
You’re probably right, but Walmart is the ultimate big target. They are very hard to miss, and many of their practices make it all the easier.

John
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They are one of the most obvious - if they get corrected by action, then others become easier to correct, as Wal*Mart is seen as one of the hardest to get real change through.
 
ishii said:
Happy Thanksgiving, I hope you and everyone else on CAF has a great one!

Why do you assume I have a particular view of poor people just because we happen to disagree politically? If I worked at Walmart, I would be doing my best to get into a better situation. Seeker1961, I have had jobs - worse jobs than Walmart. I resolved to get myself into a better situation. But I have been blessed to have an education that afforded me better opportunities that not all Walmart or other low-wage earners have. I am not sure that every job needs to have a “living wage”. Some work part time for extra money. Some are not the primary wage earner. Should a teenage McD’s burger flipper get a living wage? Seeker, when I worked in retail not long ago, I saw folks with foodstamps purchasing luxury items that I am not able to afford - “working” the system. They didn’t need food stamps. We need to limit such help to those who need it, and put a time limit on the entitlment.

(my bold italics) Interesting that you would mention that - do you think anyone who is successful and makes money does so by cheating or treating people unfairly? That would seem to suggest a built in disliking for successful people, as well as a lack of understanding of how our economic system works. And it would explain a lot about your political views.

Agree. We all should be thankful for all we have.

Ishii
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Never said that at all-however when I see CLEAR examples of corporations and people who treat their employees poorly I’m going to bring that up. Walmart is the biggest fish in the sea, and the policies they set are mirrored by other retail establishments, and other low wage jobs. Better conditions for Walmart workers would lead for better conditions for all the folks who work low wage jobs. Wouldn’t it be great if more people had time to spend with their families and the family unit got stronger? Wouldn’t it be great if more jobs paid MORE than welfare so more people would be able to work, pay taxes and put money back into the economy? I can remember a time when the only people who worked on Thanksgiving were police, firefighters, doctors, nurses and others who sacrificed their holidays to keep us safe, keep the lights on and perform critical services. What was wrong with that?

As I have said MORE THAN ONCE-in this thread-make all the money you want. I will be thrilled for you. However, if you wouldn’t accept the conditions you place on your workers for yourself or your family, then you need to step back and think it through again.

As for how the CAF universe feels about the poor-take a look at the comments here and on any other thread where someone dares to speak up for the workers or the poor and even hints at criticizing a business owner.
 
I don’t know. I wish we had more respect for holidays universally here. I think the 24/7 mentality is damaging to our humanity. However, it is the world we live in. Personally, I try and keep such traditions and would never shop (commercially) on Thanksgiving. But neither do I sympathize with the workers who chose to walk off. I sympathize with those who stayed. Most of my life I have had to work holidays, at least on a 50% basis. There are plenty of ways of incorporating family time even when one works on the actual holiday.

I also have zero respect for those arrested for blocking traffic. No one person has a right to force their opinion in such a matter on others. It was a breach of public peace. I find it ironic they were not willing to work so they could “be with their family” and then spent the day protesting and ultimately in jail.
 
datritle said:
it is so disheartening to hear my fellow Catholics say, suck it up, you’re poor, you’re lazy and it’s the best you can get, so get back to work. WE ALL DESERVE DIGNITY IN WORK. WHATEVER THAT WORK MAY BE. i stand in solidarity with the walmart WORKERS. Godd bless you and stand by you.
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When I was young, liberals turned me into a conservative. Now at middle-aged conservatives have turned me into a liberterian.
 
ringil said:
Wal-Mart has raised the homogenization of the american commercial landscape to a science. A simple market-based science.
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And this is a bad thing? Like I have said before, if you want to shop at the cute little off beat mom and pop, that is your choice. But why do you get to choose for others. If others want to shop at Walmart that would seem to be their business and their business alone. I once worked for a mom and pop type business and the owner was one of the biggest cheaters out there. I didn’t work for him long because he never paid me for all the hours that I worked. So mom and pop does not mean virtuous. But, nobody is saying you have to shop at Walmart, there is no moral failing if you never set foot in the place. I actually don’t shop there too much myself, mainly because I can do better waiting for sales at other places. On the other hand, I did buy something yesterday at Walgreens, and nobody has started a thread saying how evil they are.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
On the other hand, I did buy something yesterday at Walgreens, and nobody has started a thread saying how evil they are.
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I for one am glad that drug stores are open on holidays and Sundays. We seldom can schedule when we get sick.
 
JCPenny put out an ad specifically saying that Thanksgiving was for families, and that they would be open on Black Friday at 6am. (Not before that.) I am not normally a Black Friday shopper at all. I hate the long lines and chaos. However, I just had to go out and support JCP today. DH needed those dress shirts anyway, and I feel like I made a small statement. Outside of essential services like hospitals/police/media/armed forces/etc… NO ONE should have to work on a holiday. It doesn’t matter what their ‘class’ is or what job they have. I never go shopping on Holidays or Sundays. People who do frustrate me.
 
Why does there have to be a Black Friday ?,… And why do people have to shop on Holidays ?
 
JustaServant said:
When I was young, liberals turned me into a conservative. Now at middle-aged conservatives have turned me into a liberterian.
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THe more I look at both parties, the more I have come to realize that they are both chock full of nosey busy-bodies who want to tell you how to live your life.
 
pnewton said:
I don’t know. I wish we had more respect for holidays universally here. I think the 24/7 mentality is damaging to our humanity. However, it is the world we live in. Personally, I try and keep such traditions and would never shop (commercially) on Thanksgiving. But neither do I sympathize with the workers who chose to walk off. I sympathize with those who stayed. Most of my life I have had to work holidays, at least on a 50% basis. There are plenty of ways of incorporating family time even when one works on the actual holiday.

I also have zero respect for those arrested for blocking traffic. No one person has a right to force their opinion in such a matter on others. It was a breach of public peace. I find it ironic they were not willing to work so they could “be with their family” and then spent the day protesting and ultimately in jail.
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Business as usual at the Walmart here.
Course it is West Virginia. 😃
 
Wal-Mart bashing is popular…and unfair…both to Wal-Mart and its employees. No one is forced to work at Wal-Mart…they do offer good benefits…its workforce is mostly untrained…they receive a fair wage.
 
Yerusalyim said:
Wal-Mart bashing is popular…and unfair…both to Wal-Mart and its employees. No one is forced to work at Wal-Mart…they do offer good benefits…its workforce is mostly untrained…they receive a fair wage.
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Obamacare is going to hit employees of all the stores, restaurants and other service industries very hard. Many employees are going to be pushed into part time work and lose their benefits next year. Watch. And it won’t be the choice of any of these companies. They’re being forced into it by the federal government.
 
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