Walmart walkout: workers mount black Friday job action

[JustaServant]

LOL.
I see I stirred (or maybe ripped it off the roof and stomped on it) a hornet’s nest.

I just think we as Catholics should think about our FELLOW Catholics in third world countries who make three dollars a day making these goods, to have it sold cheap at the big box stores, so the CEOs can reap in the cash.
Just pointing it out…

 

[ringil]

Actually, that’s entirely possible, ringil. This is just something to get your friends to laugh, and to say you did it.

What I always wonder about is, don’t these people have jobs? How can they sit out on the sidewalk for days? If I had vacation time, I sure wouldn’t spend it sitting around on a sidewalk in front of a Walmart store. Which definitely falls in the GET A LIFE category.

Well, if it’s Black Friday, they are probably off that day- unless they are working at Wal=Mart or in retail it seems.

I’m mostly and internet shopper nowadays.

 

[iloveangels]

LOL.
I see I stirred (or maybe ripped it off the roof and stomped on it) a hornet’s nest.

I just think we as Catholics should think about our FELLOW Catholics in third world countries who make three dollars a day making these goods, to have it sold cheap at the big box stores, so the CEOs can reap in the cash.
Just pointing it out…

Three dollars buys a lot more in those countries than it does here. Societies are set up differently there than they are here. And if they didn’t have these jobs, they might not have any jobs and then they’d be making $0 a day. They choose to take these jobs and that is their right if they are offered to them.

As for the prices here, it’s a matter of what the market will bear. If no-one buys X-gadget at the offered price, the price will go down and you’ll find it on sale. That’s how the market economy works.

 

[iloveangels]

Well, if it’s Black Friday, they are probably off that day- unless they are working at Wal=Mart or in retail it seems.

I’m mostly and internet shopper nowadays.

Naw, these people line up for days at some of these big suburban Walmarts. Are you kidding? I see the news articles every year.

I see someplace in California, they started lining up last week.

I wonder if anybody will get shot this year. If you want a human rights story to go off the deep end about, there’s a good one.

 

[Seeker1961]

Oh, so the regular business world doesn’t cooperate so now you’re going to fall back on your social justice BS.

NEWSFLASH: Catholic Church employees are not unionized. Amazing, no?

Why is that?

1. We can’t afford it.
2. Organized crime is a sin.
3. It would p**s about 99% of catholics off. 10% of the country is already ex-Catholic. Wanna see that increase?
4. It’s not in the Gospel ANYWHERE.
   etc etc etc etc

First of all, I think you might want to check your language before you get a violation. Even abbreviated it’s still the same words.

Secondly, it should not require a union for workers to be treated with justice and dignity.

Thirdly…I can’t even begin to list all the documents that highlight the REQUREMENT to treat others with dignity and justice in the history of Catholic teaching. Check out Caritas in Veritate from 2009, Laborem Excercens, and of course Rerum Novarum. As for the Bible…Leviticus, Job, Ephesians… and I don’t know how you can treat others as you would have them treat you by paying them slave wages and keeping them from their families.

 

[oldcelt]

Oh, so the regular business world doesn’t cooperate so now you’re going to fall back on your social justice BS.

NEWSFLASH: Catholic Church employees are not unionized. Amazing, no?

Why is that?

1. We can’t afford it.
2. Organized crime is a sin.
3. It would p**s about 99% of catholics off. 10% of the country is already ex-Catholic. Wanna see that increase?
4. It’s not in the Gospel ANYWHERE.
   etc etc etc etc

There are multiple examples of unionized Catholic teachers and other unionized workers.

It would…off 99% of Catholics? Interesting statistic and complete nonsense. I grew up in a pro-union Catholic household, among many, many in my area. I suspect that this not uncommon.

It’s not in the Gospel…no there’s a strong argument. The list of what is not in the Gospel is much longer that the things that are.

It is, however, in Church teaching:

Unions are indispensible for the universal common good. Catholic teaching states that labor unions are a “positive influence for social order and solidarity, and are therefore an indispensible element of social life.” (# 305) Further, Catholic teaching states that unions must play an active role “in the whole task of economic and social development and in the attainment of the universal common good.” (#307) The Church teaches that unions are essential to a socially just society.

Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church (2004)

 

[ringil]

LOL.
I see I stirred (or maybe ripped it off the roof and stomped on it) a hornet’s nest.

I just think we as Catholics should think about our FELLOW Catholics in third world countries who make three dollars a day making these goods, to have it sold cheap at the big box stores, so the CEOs can reap in the cash.
Just pointing it out…

Oh, I SO agree with you.

There are many problems with Big Box store- another one being the homogenization of our once diverse nation.

Once places had a lot of local color- mom and pop stores, but now in much of the US it’s all the same. You could be in Anchorage or in Mobile, Dallas or suburban Newark.

There’s a traffic light, a McDonalds, a CVS, and down the street a bit the HUGE Walmart.

 

[JustaServant]

Three dollars buys a lot more in those countries than it does here. Societies are set up differently there than they are here. And if they didn’t have these jobs, they might not have any jobs and then they’d be making $0 a day. They choose to take these jobs and that is their right if they are offered to them.

As for the prices here, it’s a matter of what the market will bear. If no-one buys X-gadget at the offered price, the price will go down and you’ll find it on sale. That’s how the market economy works.

We have relative poverty in this country, while they have ABSOLUTE poverty, no health insurance, no pensions, no workers rights or compensation, no unions, no…I could go on for hours.
You’re right.
They should count thier blessings.

 

[ringil]

Naw, these people line up for days at some of these big suburban Walmarts. Are you kidding? I see the news articles every year.

I see someplace in California, they started lining up last week.

I didn’t know folks would wait that long.

That’s bonkers.

So do we deal with the pimps or the Johns. I guess that is the question.

 

[iloveangels]

First of all, I think you might want to check your language before you get a violation. Even abbreviated it’s still the same words.

Secondly, it should not require a union for workers to be treated with justice and dignity.

Thirdly…I can’t even begin to list all the documents that highlight the REQUREMENT to treat others with dignity and justice in the history of Catholic teaching. Check out Caritas in Veritate from 2009, Laborem Excercens, and of course Rerum Novarum. As for the Bible…Leviticus, Job, Ephesians… and I don’t know how you can treat others as you would have them treat you by paying them slave wages and keeping them from their families.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Catholic Church’s employees are not unionized.

 

[Seeker1961]

Actually, that’s entirely possible, ringil. This is just something to get your friends to laugh, and to say you did it.

What I always wonder about is, don’t these people have jobs? How can they sit out on the sidewalk for days? If I had vacation time, I sure wouldn’t spend it sitting around on a sidewalk in front of a Walmart store. Which definitely falls in the GET A LIFE category.

Now there’s something we can agree on. There is not a product in the world that would get me to sit around for days in line in front of a store.

 

[JustaServant]

Oh, I SO agree with you.

There are many problems with Big Box store- another one being the homogenization of our once diverse nation.

Once places had a lot of local color- mom and pop stores, but now in much of the US it’s all the same. You could be in Anchorage or in Mobile, Dallas or suburban Newark.

There’s a traffic light, a McDonalds, a CVS, and down the street a bit the HUGE Walmart.

When it all implodes, they’ll be back.

 

[oldcelt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Catholic Church’s employees are not unionized.

Look again

 

[ringil]

Now there’s something we can agree on. There is not a product in the world that would get me to sit around for days in line in front of a store.

About 11 years ago I waited for five or six hour trying to get the Playstation 2 on the day it came out. Wasn’t successful though!

 

[iloveangels]

I didn’t know folks would wait that long.

That’s bonkers.

So do we deal with the pimps or the Johns. I guess that is the question.

You can call names all you want, but if you want the gadget, you’ve got to buy it from somebody and they have to be able to produce it and get it to you, or all bets are off.

I mean, you could go live in a cave somewhere and eat bugs, but I’m pretty sure you don’t want to do that.

 

[Seeker1961]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Catholic Church’s employees are not unionized.

Did you even read what I wrote?? Let me try that again, hopefully the larger letters will help you see it.

IT SHOULD NOT REQUIRE A UNION FOR WORKERS TO BE TREATED WITH JUSTICE AND DIGNITY.

If owners would treat worker’s fairly from the start, then those union thugs that upset you so much wouldn’t have a market for what they’re selling.

 

[iloveangels]

What’s actually more interesting is the situation with the HHS mandate and what it’s going to do to some “Catholic” jobs. They’re going to become secular jobs as almost all these institutions go secular in the next 2 years or so. {which is where they belong anyway}

Then we’ll be back to being parishes and dioceses again.

 

[JustaServant]

You can call names all you want, but if you want the gadget, you’ve got to buy it from somebody and they have to be able to produce it and get it to you, or all bets are off.

I mean, you could go live in a cave somewhere and eat bugs, but I’m pretty sure you don’t want to do that.

That’s close to the living conditions of the persons who make the products they sell at Walmart.
Sorry dude, you walked into that one.

 

[iloveangels]

That’s close to the living conditions of the persons who make the products they sell at Walmart.
Sorry dude, you walked into that one.

Are you dissing Asians on their own turf? Shame, shame, shame.

They have more sense than to waste time on all this union stuff. They’re busy actually making a living.

 

[JustaServant]

Are you dissing Asians on their own turf? Shame, shame, shame.

In all seriousness it is next to impossible in this day and age to buy American made goods. And its something we need to think about if the US is ever going to rebuild this economy. We shouldn’t be buying goods made in sweatshops. We have the ability in this country to pay people well AND produce quality goods.
At least we used to…