Want to get married, but don't want children

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In fact, a lot of women out there I see have no business having kids as they’re not cut out for motherhood, yet they’re the ones who pop out kids like rabbits and then these kids turn into little brats who terrorize society. And it angers me to no end.
I respectfully suggest this is an uncharitable attitude. “The kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” No matter what your vocation, loving kids, just the same as all people, is part of it.
It’s more uncharitable that these women have kid after kid and don’t discipline them and then allow them to grow into brats in the first place. Why is it that I always have to be the bigger person? Why are we as Christians held to impossible standards? I’m sick and tired of people giving me cliched responses to “be like Jesus.” Newsflash for you- I’m not Jesus. I don’t have an endless supply of patience, and I’m tired of people trying to make me feel guilty for having feelings and getting irritated when people don’t behave as they should- including kids.
 
If you find this romance and marry, what would you do if you became pregnant? This is a very important question.
Of course I would keep, love, and raise the child. But then I would be even more cautious as to avoid having a second one.
 
I’m sick and tired of people giving me cliched responses to “be like Jesus.”
I’m sorry that you found my advice unhelpful. I’m going to cash in for the night but one last piece of advice. Go to adoration, pray, seek the Lord. He hasn’t let me down.
I’m sorry if you’re tired of hearing that Jesus is the answer to your problems, but he is. Every single one of them. So you’re going to be getting that answer a lot. As bishop Barron says. “The church is strict in her demands but even richer in mercy”. Nobody expects you to be Jesus. But the church expects you to try to be.

God bless
 
Of course I would keep, love, and raise the child. But then I would be even more cautious as to avoid having a second one.
It would be kinda funny if you found out you actually liked kids and being a mom - just saying!
 
I’m sorry that you found my advice unhelpful. I’m going to cash in for the night but one last piece of advice. Go to adoration, pray, seek the Lord. He hasn’t let me down.
I’m sorry if you’re tired of hearing that Jesus is the answer to your problems, but he is. Every single one of them. So you’re going to be getting that answer a lot. As bishop Barron says. “The church is strict in her demands but even richer in mercy”. Nobody expects you to be Jesus. But the church expects you to try to be.

God bless
Thank you for saying this, this actually meant a lot to me. I’m sorry for the snippy tone in my post. I’m just struggling with this a lot, and it’s hard for me to talk about without getting heated because I feel so strongly about this and it really strikes a cord with me in a bad way. I appreciate your kindness and understanding, and that alone will inspire me to be better. I’m sorry for taking out my frustration on you. I know you meant well, and what you’re saying is true. Thank you. May God bless you!
 
Keep in mind as well, you don’t have to marry now . Take a few years and think.

I moved myself over the years (and I’m only 30, so we’ll see) from wanting to be married without kids to simply not wanting to be married. There are still some men who need to mind there own business about that sometimes.

Edit: that was kinda badly put. I’m working on it, but I really have no idea why I’m awake right now. I think I’m trying to say, sometimes people are stupid, things are hard and confusing, and sometimes if you take your time it’ll settle eventually.
 
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Keep in mind as well, you don’t have to marry now . Take a few years and think.
Yes, I know that I don’t have to get married now. But I do want to get married now anyways, because like I said I so strongly desire it and have always wanted to find true love. I’m tired of not being able to have that special man in my life to have and hold and have all those special memories you can only have with your spouse. I know I still have time, especially since I’m still very young. But this is something that I do need to think about and it’s been bothering me for some time lately, so that’s why I came here.
 
Fair enough. I also know some women who said they didn’t want to have kids in general, but they found the idea more amenable when it was a specific man that they wanted to be with.

I’m not going to tell you that you’re going to change your mind, because I don’t know you or the future and that comes off as just kind of insulting. I’d say, explore life, even romantic relationships, and maybe see where that takes you for right now. Things may change; they may not.

I’m going to stop posting on sleep meds now and try to post more when coherent.
 
I’m 61, married for 39 years now to the man that I started dating in high school. Still in love. 2 daughters–the main accomplishment in my life has been raising them to be delightful women.

I’ve read through your thread–you talk about wanting romantic love from a man that you love. I realize this is a forum and it’s difficult to express everything in your heart, but…my impression is that you’re not interested in loving a man as much as you are in being loved by a man.

When you are married, you give yourself to your spouse—entirely. What that means is when the romance fades—and it will fade, even if you never have children–you still love him with all your heart, and you still do the things that make him happy because that makes YOU happy. His interests are more important than your own.

Let’s just do a little what-if–

What if you marry a wonderful man and life is just beautiful–and then he is in a car accident and becomes paralyzed? This happens more often than we like to think about, not necessarily paralysis, but traumatic brain injuries that change personalities, or loss of limbs leading to more difficulty in physical activity.

As a spouse, you would need to shoulder a large share of his burden. And you would have to learn to keep on loving him.

Or what it…

As you get older, you both change. For me and my husband the changes are both physical and emotional. I have osteoarthritis in my knees, and many of the simplest activities; e.g., taking a walk in a park, are now painful and result in my sitting with my legs elevated and iced for a few hours afterwards. My husband also has physical limitations, but his biggest problem is worry about our financial future, as we still have too much debt and haven’t saved that million dollars that all the experts say we need to survive as retired people.

We are still very much in love, and there is romance and sex. But in a marriage, there are constant changes–loss of jobs, housing issues (the house you buy turns out to be a sinkhole for money, and Chip and Joanna aren’t around to help unless you have several hundred thousand dollars to spend!), goals that never get completed, dogs that die, etc.

I think it would be good for you to talk to lots of married couples of all ages about their lives together, with and without children.

I said earlier that raising my daughters well is my greatest accomplishment. At my age, I’m doing a lot of reflecting on whether I have accomplished anything lasting in this life, and it’s been discouraging. When I was young, I had so many dreams of writing a best-seller, or composing a great musical piece, or helping the poor, or hiking across the U.S.–and none of these dreams has happened. I haven’t given up (working on getting one of my musicals on Broadway!). But realistically, I’ve done a lot of working at my job (lab), and I’ve cooked a lot of meals, and cleaned the house a lot, and gotten fat and skinny and fat and fatter and probably won’t ever be skinny again–in other words, I haven’t done much.

But I’ve raised two strong women, and that’s something to take with me when I die.
 
And please do not start in with trying to lecture me on how I’m young and will change my mind and blah blah blah. Like I said before, with each year that goes by, my desire not to have children becomes even stronger. I think that it’s ridiculous especially when men try to lecture on why it’s wrong to women who don’t want children. I don’t believe men have any right to tell a woman how to feel about putting her body through something as traumatic as pregnancy. They’re not the ones going through it, so they have no right to be pushing women to have children if they don’t want any. I find it incredibly insulting and insensitive.
In marriage, you and your husband´s body shouldn´t feel that separated. That doesn´t means “I have to give sex when ever he or she wants” to the borders of abuse, don´t get me wrong, but especially sexuality, and pregnancy as a natural result of shared sexuality, is nothing you can refer to as “my body” and “his body” - this is not what marriage is about, no matter if you are blessed with children or not.
Or, to answer blunt, yes, this is a no to marriage in general.
 
But I do want to get married now anyways, because like I said I so strongly desire it and have always wanted to find true love.
I wanted to get married so much since I was 19. Thank the Lord it wasn´t the case. It´s the wrong order - first try to find the man, then think about marriage. Desiring marriage as an sterile, non-personal construct is not bad, but can lead to false romatic hopes and ideas, and really, I´d try to get over it first.
 
I’ve always desired marriage, however, which is how I know that I’m meant to get married.
Feelings can deceive us, both those that suggest you are “meant” to be married and those that suggest you aren’t “meant” for motherhood.
I know that I would make an excellent wife, since the requirements for what makes a good wife are different than that of being a good mother.
Mmmm, not so much.
have this deep-rooted aversion to having children
That is something that probably needs talking through with a therapist.
If not wanting children is an impediment to a valid marriage within the Catholic Church, is there any other way in which I could get married outside of the Church yet still have the Church recognize my marriage as valid?
No. The purpose of sex is procreation, the primary end of marriage.
 
Because as a woman who has been single for all of my life, I want to finally fulfill those feelings of romance I’ve always desired but have never gotten to actually experience. Ever since I was little, I’ve wanted to find the man of my dreams. I want to be able to connect with a man romantically in a way that obviously you can’t experience with friends. I’ve always wanted to have someone who loves me in the way that only a husband could love. It’s much deeper than just a friendship, and I desire that so much.

I’ve had plenty of friends in my life, but no friendship could ever substitute for the beautiful connection that only a husband and wife could have. And that’s why I feel so strongly. Trust me, I want marriage 100%.
You want the fantasy of marriage.

I really encourage you to talk through both your romantic ideals and your aversion to motherhood— they are connected and there is something there under the surface driving both.
 
Then if I were to get married outside of the Church, would the Church still recognize it as a marriage?
No.
Because doesn’t the Church still recognize couples who were not married in the Church as still being “married”?
Non Catholics aren’t required to exchange consent before a priest. They are still required to meet all the divine law requirements of marriage. So a non Catholic with a permanent intention against children doesn’t marry validly either.
 
Ever since I was little, I’ve wanted to find the man of my dreams. I want to be able to connect with a man romantically in a way that obviously you can’t experience with friends. I’ve always wanted to have someone who loves me in the way that only a husband could love. It’s much deeper than just a friendship, and I desire that so much.
You have to discern if you are called to marriage, as in this is what God wants for you, not just what you want for yourself. Be assured that whatever your vocation is will be your best path to happiness and holiness. I’m not saying it is without suffering, but it’s your best life!

Imagine you have found the one and it is everything you ever hoped, you are just doused in seratonin eveytime you look at the man God intended for you. Do you not love him enough to want to see him as a father?

I think you have tried to draw some kind of line in the sand between you and other wives here that doesn’t really divide you as you think. LOTS of women don’t love being pregnant. LOTS of women bear the suffering of pregnancies and births out of love. LOTS of women cry tears of sadness or find their heads clouded with fear over pregnancy or motherhood. Mothers arent happy every second. It doesn’t make them unfit and it doesn’t make their children bratts or menaces to society.
 
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For a long time, I found babies less cute than cats. You can’t pet them, they drool, they leak snot, there’s food all over their face, they have smelly diapers, they cry…I no longer think this way. I wrote a blog post about it: Even Cuter Than Cats (Really) – Lazy Mother Musings

Honestly, I’m still not a big fan of pregnancy (I have multiple children), and don’t find newborns very interesting, but all in all my kids are pretty awesome and a great joy to me.

Finally, a word about your perception of brattiness in kids: You can’t really judge parenting quality by what you see at any given time. I used to see kids melting down in the store and told myself that MY kids would NEVER do that, because I’d TEACH them to behave! Well, I do teach them to behave, and most of the time they’re pretty good, but we’ve still had meltdowns because sometimes kids are tired but I still have to go to the store anyway. Good parenting does not consist of preventing poor behavior in children–which is impossible–but in minimizing it where possible, and, most crucially, reacting to it appropriately, and so building for the future.
 
Finally, a word about your perception of brattiness in kids: You can’t really judge parenting quality by what you see at any given time. I used to see kids melting down in the store and told myself that MY kids would NEVER do that, because I’d TEACH them to behave! Well, I do teach them to behave, and most of the time they’re pretty good, but we’ve still had meltdowns because sometimes kids are tired but I still have to go to the store anyway. Good parenting does not consist of preventing poor behavior in children–which is impossible–but in minimizing it where possible, and, most crucially, reacting to it appropriately, and so building for the future.
I agree with you. Bratiness is not my perception. It was responding to a quote further up thread from the original poster. I should have quoted it in the post.
 
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