Was it wrong to try to kill Hitler?

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As a follow up to my previous post:

What do police do when they are called to a bar fight? Do they take on everyone engaged in the battle? Or do they target the loudmouth?

Taking out Hitler was tried several times by the Germans, themselves. The idea that Hitler should not be a target, when he was actually the author of the death and destruction doesn’t make any sense to me.

Maybe another thug would arise to take his place? So what? Then he becomes the primary target. How many German soldiers had no desire to fight the Allies? How many were willing to follow Hitler as he lead Germany to hell?

Hitler got himself elected because the German people believed his lies. Eventually, even most of the German Army realized that he was destroying their nation. So the question is, why fight the German Army when you can take out the leadership - and maybe the German Army will be your ally.

Isn’t this what happened in Italy after the Communists (who were themselves a bunch of murdering thugs) killed Mussolini? The Italian Army became our allies.

There is a lesson here. Cut the head off of the snake and the snake is no longer a threat. To do otherwise is to perpetuate war. And there are people who make a lot of money from wars.
 
HickmanJosh said:
It is always wrong to kill; Even if you and your family are being killed. Jesus said we must love our enemies as he love us. Now killing an abortions is just as wrong as killing Hitler. sure there killing people daily but that doesn’t make it any more justifiable to kill them. The same goes for any murder, if you kill them then you are no better than them. By killing them you are stopping any chance they have at redemption.

Now if i had a chance to stop Hitler i would probably have tried to incarcerate him. as crazy as it sounds i would try to help him to see all the evil he has brought to the world. maybe the same tactic could be used with abortion doctors who refuse to stop there practice.

Also Hitlers intervention in military operations was one of the big reasons the war came to such a quick close. If it wasn’t for him the Germans would have defeated the British, conquered the Russians and probably win the war.

HickmanJosh
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As usual, I am completely dumbfounded by this logic…

To say that it is “always wrong to kill,” thereby denying what may be the only remedy available in order to protect the innocent, and thus allowing by our inaction (it would require that someone with the possibility of successfully carrying out the act would make the decision not to do so based on the above logic) the continued murder of the innocent by person(s) already known to have committed same, seems a much greater sin than killing the mass murderer with the intent of protecting the innocent.

However, the fact that such logic fully escapes me does not relieve me of the duty of obedience to the Church, which has made her position quite clear.

May the Lord have mercy on us all,

Melvin
 
hansard said:
One must be careful in the distinction between “killing” and “murder”.
Murder is a legal concept to be established by the court.
Some killings are certainly not murder, at law: the killing of enemy combatants in war, for example.
Hitler, as head of the German government (and, by extension, the military) was effectively an enemy combatant, in the same way as the President of the USA, as Commander-in-Chief, was to the Germans. The killing of either by the enemy would have been a justifiable killing in the context of war.
Other non-murder killings are: manslaughter; negligence occasioning death; accidental death (on the sporting field, for example, or just an unavoidable accident); self-defence or defence of another; and (I hate to say it) abortion.
There’s a quite a lot of confusion about the meaning of homicide: homicide is the killing of a human being by a human being. It includes all the shades of murder and all the other types of killing mentioned above, plus suicide. Homicide and murder are not synonymous, despite what you’ve seen on TV.
And, naturally, it depends of the country and/or state and/or jurisdiction.

(to declare an interest: I used to be a cop here in NSW, Australia)
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As you have pointed out, abortion may not be “murder” under the definitions of man-made law…what we have to consider is our responsibility under Divine Law, whether or not man-made law conforms to or supports Divine Law.

It is to the Divine Law over and above man-made law that we are to conform ourselves and to which we will be held accountable by God. As Peter said to the High Priest: “Whether it is right to obey you rather than God, you judge.”

I believe this is why the whole question is such a…how do the British say it, “sticky wicket?”

God have mercy on us all,

Melvin
 
hansard said:
One must be careful in the distinction between “killing” and “murder”. Other non-murder killings are: manslaughter; negligence occasioning death; accidental death (on the sporting field, for example, or just an unavoidable accident); self-defence or defence of another; and (I hate to say it) abortion.
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how the h-- is abortion not murder?

you couldn’t find more innocent persons… more helpless… defenseless…

As Ronald Reagan said: Isn’t it interesting that those who are pro-abortion are already born?

how would you like to be ripped to shreds by an abortion machine?

Jesus said to love others as we love ourselves… If we would not be aborted, we must not abort others…
 
Melvin said:
As usual, I am completely dumbfounded by this logic…

Melvin
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you and me both!!!

i think this guy means well but yikes!!!

Would he really let someone kill him & /or his family rather than stop him???

:hmmm:
 
distracted said:
you and me both!!!

i think this guy means well but yikes!!!

Would he really let someone kill him & /or his family rather than stop him???

:hmmm:
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No i was a just little over zealous when i wrote that. All life should be protected and never forfeited unless for a just cause.

HickmanJosh
 
No. However, the mother’s would have had the babies killed regardless of the abortionists’ existence. They can just drive down the street and find the next clinic. Hitler forced people to kill other people. Abortionists do not force the mother’s to kill their babies.

Would you have the mother’s killed for having an abortion?
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so you are saying it is OK to kill the unorn just because their mothers ask for it…?

i give up…
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Father Rutler offers a good discussion of this in Crime in Kansas .
**I cite the case of a man gone off the edge **who committed murder in Kansas in the name of the sacredness of life. Impatient with rational voices, he said: “These men are all talk. What we need is action – action!” He was rightly called a “misguided fanatic,” but some deluded people made things worse by actually praising the murderer. On the other hand, opportunists exploited the crisis to discredit all of their opponents.
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HickmanJosh said:
No i was a just little over zealous when i wrote that. All life should be protected and never forfeited unless for a just cause.

HickmanJosh
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thanks for admitting this…

seems nowadays not may people admit when they are “wrong”… or half-wrong… or whatever…
 
Abundant said:
No. However, the mother’s would have had the babies killed regardless of the abortionists’ existence.
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how do you know they will ? Wen tiller was killed, i belive women who were considering abortion or had appointment to have it done… at least thought twice about it… and i bleive many changed their minds…
. Hitler forced people to kill other people. Abortionists do not force the mother’s to kill their babies.
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For one thing, that does’t make what Tiller did any better than what Hitler did.,… Hitler’s killing was done legally also… For another thing, in a very real sense, abortionists and those who promote abortion DO force women to have abortions… Society in general sends loud messages such as: You don’t need this responsibility… you need to work on your career… you already have x number of kids… you are selfish to only think of yourself when thinking of having that child… what about over-population… etc… Our world is NOT into children… they are seen as a burden more than anything else… and when women go to the “clinics” thye hear all kinds of things to try to get them to abort… Worship the God of Choice… etc.
Would you have the mother’s killed for having an abortion?
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in the eyes of God they are committing murder.,… If they are ignorant of what their unborn child looks like and how alive s/he is…(& many women are, if not most) then they are far less culpable than the so called dr. who SEES exactly waht he is doing… all the blood and body parts, etc…
 
Joe_Kelley said:
Father Rutler offers a good discussion of this in Crime in Kansas .
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i think this is nonsense…

Tiller was not murdered… In the eyes of God the one who killed him committed justifiable homicide…

Tiller’s victims were murdered… he was a murderer…

like all those on death row, he also deserved death… Why should they die but not him??

No one here has answered that question…
 
of course you are being cute with the other name linked to the beast of berlin! Hitler,Stalin,Mao,Fidel etc etc all are creatures of satan and thus are not human in any practical sense…they are like a snake crawling up to the crib of your child…what are you going to do…explain theory of life etc to the snake or will you pick up a stick and kill the thing…Adolph was a left wing goon who joined with others of the left to ruin a great nation by making their ww1 loss being the fault of Jewish citizens…and so he proceeded with the help of other degenerates.remember Hitler was arrested several times for being a male prostitute in berlin…he then gathered other losers and mommie boys and made up a gang…the commandment,thou shalt not murder means that ,dont kill an innocent human being…too bad the plot failed…one reads that the great PiusX11 endorsed the plot as well…what is one supposed to do…wait for a mea culpa …one cuts a cancer out of the human body for it is deadly…evil is a cancer and those who embrace it …well …
 
distracted said:
i think this is nonsense…

Tiller was not murdered… In the eyes of God the one who killed him committed justifiable homicide…

Tiller’s victims were murdered… he was a murderer…

like all those on death row, he also deserved death… Why should they die but not him??

No one here has answered that question…
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  Justifiable homicide,  where in the bible does it say killing anyone is good?

They shouldn't die, neither should have him. If we start acting like its ok to kill just because where killing bad people then pretty soon we will find ourselves alone and in Jail.

 Throw them in Jail, and pray for them, killing abortion doctors won't end abortion just like killing murders won't end murder, we need to educate everyone of just how horrible this atrocity is but if we start justifying murder then we will be no better than the abortion doctors. What kind of Pro-life supporter justifies killing?:shrug:
This genocide must be brought to an end.

Pray for them.:crossrc:

HickmanJosh
 
It’s interesting to consider that David didn’t kill Saul when he had the chance.

I think it would have been legitimate for the allies to attempt to kill Hitler.

I think it also would have been legitimate for the German populace to stage a revolution, or anyone else to try to remove him from power without killing him (i.e. bring him to trail, like the Neuremberg trials). And I understand that he may have been incidentally killed during the revolution (as we know there would have been fighting), which would have of course been ok.

I do not believe that an individual acting on his or her own authority (except in self defense) would have been justified in directly killing him. Overthrow him, yes. Kill, no.
 
HickmanJosh said:
Justifiable homicide, where in the bible does it say killing anyone is good?
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They shouldn't die, neither should have him. If we start acting like its ok to kill just because where killing bad people then pretty soon we will find ourselves alone and in Jail.

 Throw them in Jail, and pray for them, killing abortion doctors won't end abortion just like killing murders won't end murder, we need to educate everyone of just how horrible this atrocity is but if we start justifying murder then we will be no better than the abortion doctors. What kind of Pro-life supporter justifies killing?:shrug:
This genocide must be brought to an end.

Pray for them.:crossrc:

HickmanJosh
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so according to this logic, if someone were trying to murder your children, you would just let him because to kill the murderer is just as bad as his killing your children…

:banghead:
 
distracted said:
so according to this logic, if someone were trying to murder your children, you would just let him because to kill the murderer is just as bad as his killing your children…

:banghead:
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No as a father your duty is to protect your family, as such you would stop him by any means necessary. Self-defense is justified. But if you are pro-life then you must respect the sanctity of ALL life, even murderers. If they threaten us then yes we should take proportional defensive action.
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I know there killing people and it has to stop ASAP, but do you think killing abortion doctors is really going to stop abortion? We need to educate people, show them what we see, restore the sanctity and respect of life.
HickmanJosh
 
HickmanJosh said:
No as a father your duty is to protect your family, as such you would stop him by any means necessary. Self-defense is justified. But if you are pro-life then you must respect the sanctity of ALL life, even murderers. If they threaten us then yes we should take proportional defensive action.
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I know there killing people and it has to stop ASAP, but do you think killing abortion doctors is really going to stop abortion? We need to educate people, show them what we see, restore the sanctity and respect of life.
HickmanJosh
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are not the unborn your “family”…?

Love others as you love yourself…
 
distracted said:
are not the unborn your “family”…?

Love others as you love yourself…
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First we are all adopted children of God, so yes we are all one big family.

second: yes we must love others as we love ourselves and as God has loved us, but if we started killing abortion doctors what kind of message would we be sending to the poor women how are going in to get these abortions “obey us or end up like them”? We have to show them we want whats best for everyone not just the unborn. Although we must find a way to stop abortion as soon as possible.

HickmanJosh
 
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