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PJM
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ONLY IF they are trying to kill you or you in the process of saving another innocent life.
God was not kidding when He gave us the Fifth Commandment! He was very specific!
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God was not kidding when He gave us the Fifth Commandment! He was very specific!
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CWBetts
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It is wrong to kill. Period. We are to repay evil with good. Vengence belongs to the Lord. WHy is this so difficult to understand?
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distracted
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i’ll remember that if i ever see a guy with a gun to your head and i have a gun of my own…
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distracted
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it has nothing to do with a message we might send… it has to do with protecting innocent lives… that’s what society (govenrment) is for…
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again, if i saw someone trying to kill you… i suppose you would not want me to kill him before he could succeed…
gotta respect everyone’s life…
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HickmanJosh
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I would want you to shoot but that doesn't mean you have to shoot to kill, aim for the legs or fire a warning shot.
Yes we must protect innocent lives but by killing Abortion doctors we would be giving indisputable evidence to atheist that religion is a thereat to peace and society.
It is no more the mothers right to kill there unwanted Babies than it is our right to kill abortion doctors. It is our right to stop them and punish them accordingly for the evil they have brought to our world.
Executing evil doers isent the Dogma of the Church.
It must stop, tomorrow if at all possible, killing thouse who oppose us is not justifiable to an christian. Jesus said and i Quote “Love your enemies as i love you.” If he loved us enough to die on the cross for us then we must at least respect the abortion doctors right to life. There actions are inhuman and must stop but to kill a murder is to send them straight to hell, do you want that on your conscience? Sure your stopping there rampage but do you really want to send anyone to eternal damnation?
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Brendan
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Killing is not necessarily evil. God commanded it a various points, and God cannot commit an evil. In fact, God can do nothing but GOOD.
What we can see is that, at certain times, killing is a moral GOOD. The important thing to do is to look to the Church to determine when those times are, and under what circumstances.
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CWBetts
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It is not for us to decide the matter. Only GOd may decide when anyone is to be born or to die. To try to justify the murder of anyone is an exercise in hubris.
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distracted
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i agree…
but Tiller was not murdered… it was justifiabale homicide…
and if you think no one should have tried to kill Hitler or Stalin… well, then maybe it’s because you don’t empathize w/ those he was killing. Maybe you care more about the murderer than the murdered?
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Jimmytwoguns
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This thread is becoming absoultely ridiculous. The OT is full of examples ( long after Moses received the ten commandments from God, amongst which was the one " thou shalt not kill, which so clearly meant “thou shalt not murder”) where the Children of Israel were ordered by God through his prophets such as Elijah, Samuel etc to kill their enemies, slaughter them, leave none of them alive and these orders were carried out by many Kings of Israel including King Saul and King David (who was called a man after God’s own heart)
Early fathers such as Saints Augustine, Great Saints such as Dominic preached the just war, and that error had no place in the Church.
Jesus made a whip and whipped the money lenders out of the temple, and their beasts, overturning the tables of the money lenders. This righteously angry, completley justified and very violent act is mentioned in all four of the Gospels.
In days where extremist Moslems are brainwashing young people into blowing themselves up and allegedly becoming martyrs by their acts, where on the other hand abortionists, homosexuals etc, demand we change the Chuch to suit their warped views, Christians must stand up and be counted.
Of course killing Hitler, Stalin, or any other murdering dictator is perfectly alright. Get a serious grip!
Early fathers such as Saints Augustine, Great Saints such as Dominic preached the just war, and that error had no place in the Church.
Jesus made a whip and whipped the money lenders out of the temple, and their beasts, overturning the tables of the money lenders. This righteously angry, completley justified and very violent act is mentioned in all four of the Gospels.
In days where extremist Moslems are brainwashing young people into blowing themselves up and allegedly becoming martyrs by their acts, where on the other hand abortionists, homosexuals etc, demand we change the Chuch to suit their warped views, Christians must stand up and be counted.
Of course killing Hitler, Stalin, or any other murdering dictator is perfectly alright. Get a serious grip!
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CWBetts
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WRONG WRONG WRONG. We are not to take a life. It is not our place. None of us have the right to pass judgement on another. Didi not our Lord say “Laet he who is wathout sin cast the first stone”? Yet in modern society Catholics seem all to eager to kill thosae who do not fit their morality. This is deplorable! If we are truly to be the representatives of CHrist, then we must act not out of vengance (which is exactly what you are condoning) , but love and forgiveness. Seeing as how the Lord has forgiven us, don’t we have the responsibliity to forgive others? Anyone who suggest that murdering murderers is acceptible needs to read up on moral theology.
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kesa82
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I think it was ok to kill Hitler.
…I just don’t think it would have done any good.
Stalin still would have won the war.
If Hitler had somehow been strangled in the crib, we would still have the myth of a good total war. We would still have the conceited assumption that there are not narrow limits to human reason.
The idea that a king should lead troops in battle would still be considered antique.
The state would still have become a de-facto God, and college graduates would still deny that the state has become a de-facto God, or, if pressed to admit it, would then assert that is a good thing !
So I kill Hitler? Hoo hum.
…I just don’t think it would have done any good.
Stalin still would have won the war.
If Hitler had somehow been strangled in the crib, we would still have the myth of a good total war. We would still have the conceited assumption that there are not narrow limits to human reason.
The idea that a king should lead troops in battle would still be considered antique.
The state would still have become a de-facto God, and college graduates would still deny that the state has become a de-facto God, or, if pressed to admit it, would then assert that is a good thing !
So I kill Hitler? Hoo hum.
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Athanasiy
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May be Himmler wouldn’t be a better person without Hitler.I think it was ok to kill Hitler.
…I just don’t think it would have done any good.
Stalin still would have won the war.
If Hitler had somehow been strangled in the crib, we would still have the myth of a good total war. We would still have the conceited assumption that there are not narrow limits to human reason.
The idea that a king should lead troops in battle would still be considered antique.
The state would still have become a de-facto God, and college graduates would still deny that the state has become a de-facto God, or, if pressed to admit it, would then assert that is a good thing !
So I kill Hitler? Hoo hum.
And Beria would n’t be nicer than Stalin.
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walker_p
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The UN has united the world? No, it has not! The UN is a joke! What has the UN done other than rape women? The UN should be kicked out of the U.S. We are a sovereign nation and we do not take orders from the UN, comprised of a bunch of unelected self-serving hypocrites. The German invasion indirectly caused the collapse of the Soviet Union forty years later? No, it did not. Ronald Reagan, one of the greatest Presidents the United States ever had, brought down the Soviet Union. He ended the Cold War without firing a shot. Who or what are the Chines? Do you mean the Chinese? I wouldn’t forget the threat from Islamo-fascists.Indeed as the old saying goes War can be Hell. But i also think war is sometimes necessary for change. WW2 in all its gruesomeness showed the world just how evil civilized people can be. The Holocaust was terrible. some estimates put the tole up to 17 million people killed in just the camps. That being said WW2 highlighted big problems in international diplomacy. The UN was born out of the ashes of the league of nations. The UN has united The world and saved the us from countless wars. Still sometimes the change can take a while to be realized. When the two superpowers faced each other after the defeat of the Nazis the world was divided on a political and ideological line. now that that line is gone the world is a much better place.
just one more thing, the German invasion indirectly caused the collapse of the soviet union forty years later. all the economic and civil damage where hard to repair, even worse all of those people that died couldn’t be replaced, and now because the USSR is gone now we just have to worry about the Chines.Code:But i think that the conduct of war should reflect the ideologues of those involved. WW2 was not such an instance, the war crimes of the allies where frighteningly similar to SOME of thous of the Axis, (war rape, bombing of cites, treatment of prisoners). If we start acting like anything goes just because we are at war then we will soon find we are more like our enemies than we will ever want to admit. The Nazis where very good at disguising there real intentions. if anyone dared speek of the camps or negatively about the war they would often end up with a bullet in there heads.
war can be necessary for change but that still doesn’t make it any more justifiable.
St Thomas 's just war also advocates proportional and responsible conduct during war.
i fear we might be geting slightly off topic.
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abukamoon
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The UN is the framework for the New World Order, just as its predecessor, the League of Nations was supposed to have been. Our senators were better educated and had more allegiance to our nation after World War One.
The goal is nothing less than a one-world system with megalomaniac mad men running it. These people who want to rule the world are the same people who create wars, and use terrorism and man-made starvation in order to control people.
The UN is a great threat to our nation. We need to get out of the UN and get the UN out of the US. At the same time, we need to withdraw from the IMF and the World Bank, and return to honest money, which our Constitution defines as gold and silver.
We have been swindled for almost a century, and we have allowed criminal politicians to kill untold millions of people in their lust for power. We need to replace the majority of our politicians with real Americans who will work for the restoration of Constitutional government, and keep us out of foreign entanglements.
The goal is nothing less than a one-world system with megalomaniac mad men running it. These people who want to rule the world are the same people who create wars, and use terrorism and man-made starvation in order to control people.
The UN is a great threat to our nation. We need to get out of the UN and get the UN out of the US. At the same time, we need to withdraw from the IMF and the World Bank, and return to honest money, which our Constitution defines as gold and silver.
We have been swindled for almost a century, and we have allowed criminal politicians to kill untold millions of people in their lust for power. We need to replace the majority of our politicians with real Americans who will work for the restoration of Constitutional government, and keep us out of foreign entanglements.
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CWBetts
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Pulling out of the UN would be a very bad idea. Though I am not a fan of the UN, the United States is one of only five nations with a veto. What that means is that any international policy that the US does not eant to happen, does not happen. If the US were to pull out, how long do you think it would be until crippling economic sanctions weould be passed. Yor platform of isolationism is feckless. What needs to happen is for the US to use our position of power fpr the greater good (which, I know, is idealistic) I think I am done adressing ludicrous conspiracy thoeries.
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abukamoon
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You first mistake is to assume that since the US has the power of the veto, that implies that the US Ambassador to the UN is really working for American interests. The American UN Ambassador is a globalist, and always has been! These people are not working for the American people. They are working for their New World Order. They want to rule the world.
What you call “isolationism” is in reality Independence. I don’t want to see us isolated for the rest of the world. I want to see the American people traveling to other nations, and people from other nations visiting us. I want us to trade with other nations. What I don’t want is deals made between our politicians and theirs. I don’t want military alliances with other nations. I don’t want us involved in foreign entanglements.
The more contact the American people have with the people of other nations, and the less contact between our governments, the better off we will be. After all, it is politicians who start wars. Limit the actions of our politicians, scrutinize their every word, and never let them meet in secret with the politicians of other nations, or with corporate interests. They work for us. Why do we let them get involved in wars?
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CWBetts
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You scare me. YOu very much are an isolationist, and a conspiracy thoerist. Good-bye.
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distracted
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right on.
i will believe you when you have done the following:
when a serial killer comes to your door, ties up your family members and then tells you he is goingto kill them. You have a small pistol in your pocket and when he turns his back on you to begin klling your family members, instead of shooting him, you hand him your only weapon… because you do not want to “murder” him…
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