Was Mohammed a Sinner?

[Emad]

Muslim:

why is Islam so misandric?
men have to pray separately from women
men have to work when women dont
men have to give their property to their women
they have to give money to girls family before marrying them
they have to protect women
they have to go to battle when women dont
we are opressed by this cult of a religion called Islam
why? oh please tell me why?

This is off topic bro.

 

[Muslim]

Emad:

This is off topic bro.

nah i was referring to that post by the girl that said that women are opressed cause they dont go to Mosque with men

 

[Emad]

Muslim:

nah i was referring to that post by the girl that said that women are opressed cause they dont go to Mosque with men

I know, but look at the title of the thread.

 

[whatevergirl]

Muslim–Is that cultural, or religious? God dictates that women don’t have to work, but men do? God dictates that a man should pay a girl’s family in order to marry?

That sounds like you’re mixing culture/traditional customs with religion. I can’t see God dictating such man made matters. As always, I’m sooooooo confused.

 

[Scholastic17]

They denied him based on the “he’s crazy” and you deny Muhammad based on that same idea.

No, I deny Muhammed because he is a false prophet. I am not calling him a lunatic. I am calling him a liar. St. Paul states that if even an angel were to come down preaching a different Gospel than what Christ preached, then indeed that angel should go to Hell.

Any man or woman or angel or beast or spirit who states anything other than “Jesus is Lord” perpetuates a lie.

faith101:

You are basing those 3 views on an idea that I dont believe: that Jesus said he was divine

The gospel according to St. John:
John 14:8:

Philip said to him, “Master, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.” Jesus said to him,** "Have I been with you for so long a time and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.**

faith101:

He was a man sent by God (as he himself said) who did only God’s will, not his own will (as he himself said) to call people back to the worship of one God.

The Gospel according to St. John
John 3:16:

For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Faith101:

Divnity belongs to the One who never sleeps and is never in need of food and drink.

The Gospel according to St. John
John 1:1:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

. He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:14:

And the Word became flesh 9 and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father’s only Son, full of grace and truth.

faith101:

Does that mean that he told *anyone *

to worship him?

Philipians 2:9
St. Paul:

Because of this, God greatly exalted him and bestowed on him the name 7 that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend, 8 of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, 9 to the glory of God the Father.

faith101:

No. All this will be apparent on the day of Judgement, where God, who sent Jesus, will ask him in front of all of mankind if he ever told anyone to worship him.

The gospel according to St. Matthew
Matthew 16:18:

He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter said in reply, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

Verbum Domine.

 

[Emad]

Is that cultural, or religious? God dictates that women don’t have to work, but men do?

Muslim women don’t have to work but they are allowed to if they wish, but they are not compelled to. They are to be financially secure for life. If their married their husband must support them, if not then their father brother etc. Her money is hers and only hers, and her male relatives money is also partly hers.

God dictates that a man should pay a girl’s family in order to marry?

Not her family but her, a dowry.

 

[whatevergirl]

But do you feel (through your religion) that this was mandated by God, or are these simply customs?

Also–can you shed some light regarding the Taliban? I think that there are many misconceptions, due to such radical groups (especially in the US)…can you explain–are they a muslim group, and if not, what are they?

Thanks Emad…!!

 

[Emad]

But do you feel (through your religion) that this was mandated by God, or are these simply customs?

No they are mandated by God. I feel you are having trouble understanding this because you don’t see religion as a way of life, rather something personal, am I correct?

Also–can you shed some light regarding the Taliban? I think that there are many misconceptions, due to such radical groups (especially in the US)…can you explain–are they a muslim group, and if not, what are they?

I have to be honest, I don’t know much about them. Ask on the WhyIslam forum, someone there should know.

 

[Muslim]

do you believe KKK is a Christian group? do you believe Aryan Nation is a Christian group? or what about gangs like Crips, bloods, ms13, etc… who all wear crosses and talks a lot about God and has divine symbols in their grafittis, etc…

 

[Scholastic17]

Muslim:

do you believe KKK is a Christian group? do you believe Aryan Nation is a Christian group? or what about gangs like Crips, bloods, ms13, etc… who all wear crosses and talks a lot about God and has divine symbols in their grafittis, etc…

None of those groups claim to be members of Orthodox Christianity (Ie Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, etc). The Taliban &C all claim to be either Sunni or Shi’ite. (Sp?)

 

[pro_universal]

Scholastic17:

None of those groups claim to be members of Orthodox Christianity (Ie Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, etc). The Taliban &C all claim to be either Sunni or Shi’ite. (Sp?)

There are some groups like Christian Identity that claim to be "real Christianity’, and that the rest of us are wrong. That is your equivalent to the so-called “muslim” radical groups.

 

[Scholastic17]

pro_universal:

There are some groups like Christian Identity that claim to be "real Christianity’, and that the rest of us are wrong. That is your equivalent to the so-called “muslim” radical groups.

Exactly. They claim that we are wrong. The Taliban and so forth don’t claim that Shi’ite Islam and Sunni Islam is wrong. They claim to be followers of said sects.

 

[pro_universal]

Scholastic17:

Exactly. They claim that we are wrong. The Taliban and so forth don’t claim that Shi’ite Islam and Sunni Islam is wrong. They claim to be followers of said sects.

You do not know what “sunni” and “shiite” mean. That is the problem.

Sunni is not a central organization with a leader and office sitting in some city. There are various different traditions all considered to be Sunni. Radical groups claim that those traditions are in fact not the true Islamic ones, and adopt their own customs in place of traditional Sunni ones.

 

[Scholastic17]

pro_universal:

You do not know what “sunni” and “shiite” mean. That is the problem.

Sunni is not a central organization with a leader and office sitting in some city. There are various different traditions all considered to be Sunni. Radical groups claim that those traditions are in fact not the true Islamic ones, and adopt their own customs in place of traditional Sunni ones.

If i recall anything from my World History Class:

The Sunnis claimed that the Caliph doesn’t have to be of direct Muhammetian lineage; Shi’ites claimed that he did. Who are the current Caliphs for the two branches?

 

[whatevergirl]

EMAD–Yes, I see my religion as a way of life. Not sure why you would insinuate that I don’t.

I don’t think I will comment anymore, because I think I’m being misunderstood, and it’s just not helping either side, really, to understand each other better, which is always a hopeful intent.

I will always be at peace with my Catholic faith; and you are at pease with your Mulsim faith. I’m fine with that. I don’t need to convince anyone that my faith is the right way to walk; I can only pray that others will see the truth.

Thanks for the discussion, all–and God bless!!
WG

ps: Muslim–good points regarding the KKK…as my question pertained to the Taliban. There are radical groups everywhere, I suppose.

 

[Muslim]

Scholastic17:

If i recall anything from my World History Class:

The Sunnis claimed that the Caliph doesn’t have to be of direct Muhammetian lineage; Shi’ites claimed that he did. Who are the current Caliphs for the two branches?

if you really paid attention in your world history class you would know that there arent any caliphs in Islam anymore

 

[Muslim]

whatevergirl:

EMAD–Yes, I see my religion as a way of life. Not sure why you would insinuate that I don’t.

I don’t think I will comment anymore, because I think I’m being misunderstood, and it’s just not helping either side, really, to understand each other better, which is always a hopeful intent.

I will always be at peace with my Catholic faith; and you are at pease with your Mulsim faith. I’m fine with that. I don’t need to convince anyone that my faith is the right way to walk; I can only pray that others will see the truth.

Thanks for the discussion, all–and God bless!!
WG

ps: Muslim–good points regarding the KKK…as my question pertained to the Taliban. There are radical groups everywhere, I suppose.

its good you see religion as your way of life… we are all misunderstood and its good that forums like this help (for the most part) people develop better understanding of each other.

 

[Scholastic17]

Muslim:

if you really paid attention in your world history class you would know that there arent any caliphs in Islam anymore

Do go on?

 

[Muslim]

Do go on?

there arent any central figure in Islam… although some Shiites kind of follow the ayatollah…there are “clerics” you might have heard of but they are mostly political figures rather than religious…but Islamic socities have their religion intertwined with every part of their life that its kind of hard to distinguish politics from religion

 

[LRThunder]

Muslim:

there arent any central figure in Islam… although some Shiites kind of follow the ayatollah…there are “clerics” you might have heard of but they are mostly political figures rather than religious…but Islamic socities have their religion intertwined with every part of their life that its kind of hard to distinguish politics from religion

The Shiites tend to have a more theocratic form of government, right? I mean they tend to place equal emphasis on the Koran as on the civil. The Sunnis are more secular, or am I misreading what both groups stand for?