Was religion invented by man?

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PRmerger said:
No one has said, outright, “Christians lied”.

But it’s the logical conclusion of their theories that are being promoted.
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No it isn’t. I have been arguing this entire time that they were merely incompetent to discern divinity from advanced alien technology. Please do no continue to misrepresent my claims or I will accuse someone of lying, and it won’t be the authors of the NT.
 
JapaneseKappa said:
So your argument is that “The religious hypothesis is superior because common sense says that it is.”
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How about this: the Christian hypothesis is superior because the alternative is aliens.

Aliens.

There are the profoundly incisive, intellectually rich and theologically dense arguments of Aquinas, Augustine, Anselm, Theresa, Edith Stein…for our side…

and then there’s Starbrite Sparkles for your side.

ufodigest.com/article/could-jesus-christ-be-one-first-alien-hybrids-son-extraterrestrial-and-earthly-woman

I wonder if there are any other atheists here who are willing to side with you here?

Thinking Sapien?
Bradski?
Nixbits?
Cheiron?
Sparkythedog?

Anyone?

Aquinas vs Starbrite

Any atheist willing to stand with Jappanese Kappa here and align themselves with Ms. Sparkles here?
 
PRmerger said:
There are the profoundly incisive, intellectually dense arguments of Aquinas, Augustine, Anselm, Theresa, Edith Stein…for our side…
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And yet you appear to be unable to actually cite any of their specific arguments in defense of your own. It seems to me that you are making an appeal to popularity, and perhaps that what you meant by “common” sense. Perhaps you meant that because public opinion is opposed to the “aliens” idea, that therefore the “aliens” idea must be wrong. If such appeals are valid, let me know in your reply so that I may use them as well.

So it seems that things are continuing as I described them earlier:
JapaneseKappa said:
I am saying that you cannot offer any evidence to suggest the religious account is superior to my alien account. I actually believe the “aliens” argument is rather weak, but that it is not weaker than the religious argument.

In other words, what is going on in this discussion is that you are failing to give evidence to show that your religious explanation is superior to one of the weakest alternatives that I could think of.
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JapaneseKappa said:
No it isn’t.
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Yes, it is the logical conclusion of the arguments that some atheists have been presenting.

You have taken the Alien route, something that people like Ms. Sparkles professes.

I wasn’t talking about this route, but rather the more intellectual position that most atheists embrace.
 
JapaneseKappa said:
And yet you appear to be unable to actually cite any of their specific arguments in defense of your own. It seems to me that you are making an appeal to popularity, and perhaps that what you meant by “common” sense. Perhaps you meant that because public opinion is opposed to the “aliens” idea, that therefore the “aliens” idea must be wrong. If such appeals are valid, let me know in your reply so that I may use them as well.

So it seems that things are continuing as I described them earlier:
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Aliens.

Yep.

That’s what has to be embraced in order to reject the Christian answer.
 
Common sense is something “common” to all peoplem, or to a group of people, by definition. Any sensate person can have have it. Or rather should have it. Not all honor it and so they do not possess it in common with others. They refuse it.

Some examples of common sense would be as follows:
Getting run over by a car is a bad thing.
Killing an innocent person is a bad thing.
Standing all night in the arctic cold will kill you.

Also common sense:
I did not create myself.
I do not control where my anima goes when my body dies. (or even if there is such a thing as anima).
My existence must have a meaning and purpose that can be discovered.

These are questions that everyone has in common, but we do not have physical proofs available. Nevertheless, the quest is to find answers.
Just about all human beings have a common quest to answer questions of existence and meaning. Religion gives answers to them.

On the other hand, to not pursue answers to these questions seems to lack common sense. Or to deny that good answers exist beyond the realm of physical proof lacks common sense.
 
goout said:
Common sense is something “common” to all peoplem, or to a group of people, by definition. Any sensate person can have have it. Or rather should have it. Not all honor it and so they do not possess it in common with others. They refuse it.

Some examples of common sense would be as follows:
Getting run over by a car is a bad thing.
Killing an innocent person is a bad thing.
Standing all night in the arctic cold will kill you.

Also common sense:
I did not create myself.
I do not control where my anima goes when my body dies. (or even if there is such a thing as anima).
I do not know why I exist.

These are questions that everyone has in common, but they do not have physical proofs available. Nevertheless, the quest is to find answers.
Just about all human beings have a common quest to answer questions of existence and meaning. Religion gives answers to them.

On the other hand, to not pursue answers to these questions seems to lack common sense. Or to deny that good answers exist beyond the realm of physical proof lacks common sense.
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👍

I would also add to the list of things that are “common sense”:

Something cannot come from nothing.
 
PRmerger said:
I am saving this for arguments with future atheists. 🙂

May I cite your user name?
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You may. And I encourage you to link to the discussion as well, so that the people you are talking to are not misled by any accidental misrepresentations on your part.

I also suggest that in future arguments with atheists, you realize that they are as skeptical of the “God did it” theory as you are of the “aliens did it” theory. Since I have posted exactly the same amount of evidence for the alien theory as you have for the God theory but you remain unconvinced, it should not be surprising to you that the atheists remain unconvinced after hearing your evidence.

Finally, I invite you to consider all the handicaps I gave you in this discussion:
  1. I did not attack the idea that God exists in the first place
  2. I gave you carte blanche to assume that the NT was historical
  3. I did not attack the honesty of the apostles or the authors of the NT
  4. I did not accuse you of having a double standard for the evidence
And despite these advantages, you were unable to come up with anything other than insults. I am confident I could defend the “humans made it up” version of events against the “aliens did it” version of events, but you have completely failed to defend the “god did it” version of events against the “aliens did it” version.
 
JapaneseKappa said:
I would phrase it:

That’s all it takes in order to reject Christianity.
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Aliens did it.

Aliens stole the body.

Or Jesus was actually an alien.

Yep.

Aliens are the explanation for the “resurrection”.

Not the Christian explanation.

Okey-dokey.
 
PRmerger said:
Aliens did it.

Aliens stole the body.

Or Jesus was actually an alien.

Yep.

Aliens are the explanation for the “resurrection”.

Not the Christian explanation.

Okey-dokey.
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Christians, when seriously asked to defend their beliefs against aliens, can find neither evidence nor charity.
 
JapaneseKappa said:
So you have conceded?
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I have never actually engaged here, JK.

As I already told you: I don’t engage in discourse with the Holocaust deniers, the 6000 year old earthers, folks who think we didn’t land on the moon, and folks who align themselves with Starbrite Sparkles.

All of the previous posts have been merely for the lurkers to see the position that some have espoused in order to reject Christianity.

Aliens.
 
PRmerger said:
I have never actually engaged here, JK.

As I already told you: I don’t engage in discourse with the Holocaust deniers, the 6000 year old earthers, folks who think we didn’t land on the moon, and folks who align themselves with Starbrite Sparkles.

All of the previous posts have been merely for the lurkers to see the position that some have espoused in order to reject Christianity.

Aliens.
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So… All your previous posts were made in violation of the forum guidelines?
  • Posters are expected to treat each other as equals with equal expectations of each other in terms of research, logic, challenges, and portrayal of Catholic teaching.
  • If you aren’t going to go into the discussion with the resolution that you could just possibly have your view broadened, you may as well not go into it.
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JapaneseKappa said:
So… All your previous posts were made in violation of the forum guidelines?
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Not at all.

I respect you. You are a child of God, a person of reason and intellect and as such I entertain all of your posts which I read.

But I will not engage in dialogue with:
  1. Holocaust deniers
  2. 6000 year old earthers
  3. those who believe we didn’t land on the moon
  4. those who believe Aliens are responsible for the NT events
Now, there is nothing in the forum rules which state I must engage with these folks.

What I am permitted to do is express my extreme astonishment that this is a valid explanation for whatever questions have been posed.

And it is entirely permissible to juxtapose the idea of Aliens with the rich and magnificent works of our greatest theological giants: Aquinas, Augustine, Anselm, Edith Stein, Theresa of Avila…

But, again, I will not engage in discourse about aliens, the earth as 6000 years old, lunar shadows and how the US flag blows…
 
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