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In my personal opinion, this is not very respectful.
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And you shouldn’t find it in ours. It’s blasphemous and goes against 2,000 years of teaching. Saints have died for stopping less than this.
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AlNg
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Apparently the Catholic Church is split and divided in two with one group of clergy approving these rituals, while another group in the church says that these rituals are blasphemous. The teachings and documents of the church are being interpreted differently so it appears that the Catholic church is not one on this issue.
Because it is not acceptable. I have already given a prime example from the official church document that lays out inculturation.
Why are the teachings of the Church not enough for you?
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Although I’ve always been Catholic I don’t think I am better at interpreting teaching than the Bishops and Cardinals.
Why are the teachings of the Church not enough for you?
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Although I’ve always been Catholic I don’t think I am better at interpreting teaching than the Bishops and Cardinals.
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AlNg
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That is a serious problem because the marks of the true church are that it be ONE, holy, catholic and apostolic. Now you tell me that Catholics have two totally different faiths.
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AlNg
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I am sorry to hear that.
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pnewton
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That is like being semi-pregnant. Diversity is not the same as schism. Even disobedience is not schism, though it can lead to schism. Catholics are part of their Church by their baptism. Schism is when one is separated from the Catholic Church, today, that would be separation and out of communion with Pope Francis.
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pnewton
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My bad. I meant to say baptism, but my mind slipped a cog. Fixed it.
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AlNg
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There appears to be a serious disagreement on this. There are Catholics on CAF who say that once you are baptized a Catholic you remain a Catholic even if you abandon the Catholic religion. I gave an example of a Catholic priest who publicly abandoned Catholicism and converted to Russian Orthodox and I was told he was still a Catholic.
the Catholic Church still considers the man a Catholic regardless of what another church might consider him. He could have become a priest in the Episcopal church or in Buddhism or in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The Catholic Church will still consider him Catholic, and what’s more, will consider him to be a Catholic Priest.
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27lw
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What about people who are excommunicated?That is like being semi-pregnant. Diversity is not the same as schism. Even disobedience is not schism, though it can lead to schism. Catholics are part of their Church by their baptism. Schism is when one is separated from the Catholic Church, today, that would be separation and out of communion with Pope Francis.
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AlNg
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Thank you kindly for this. That is what I thought also.
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umamibella
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oh oh, you brought up Cardinal Pell! I hope he comes back to ministry.
I might put up some footage of the huge gathering in Sydney when St John Paul II was being welcomed to country by several different mobs at the start of the Mass, if I can find it. It must be on the internet somewhere. It was great. He also had welcome to country when he went into the outback to some of the Aboriginal community Catholic Churches.
I might put up some footage of the huge gathering in Sydney when St John Paul II was being welcomed to country by several different mobs at the start of the Mass, if I can find it. It must be on the internet somewhere. It was great. He also had welcome to country when he went into the outback to some of the Aboriginal community Catholic Churches.
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umamibella
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Sorry that was meant for motherwit, I did the wrong quote and just deleted it. Apologies (name removed by moderator). I had to check her news item to see if Cardinal Pell was back ministering.
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27lw
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Wait – a mob refers to a group of kangaroos, and also a group of Aboriginal people? That seems really weird.
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umamibella
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Aboriginal people refer to ‘us mob’ ‘you mob’ ‘that mob’ . The referral of a group of kangaroos will be a terminology taken from the Aboriginal people. Many things here are terminology named by Aboriginal people and adopted by English speakers. White people are called ‘gubbas’. In saying that there were many different Aboriginal languages, most have been killed off.Wait – a mob refers to a group of kangaroos, and also a group of Aboriginal people? That seems really weird.
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umamibella
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https://www.natsicc.org.au/index.html
For those interested in knowing a bit about the indigenous catholic church here.
Aboriginal Deacon Boniface.
https://www.natsicc.org.au/a-tribute-to-deacon-boniface.html
'Lastly let me tell you how important and necessary to proceed and strengthen our Culture in our Catholic Faith. I see remedy for what is going wrong coming from inspiration and the strength of the faith. The faith will bring us together the faith will shelter us and let us listen to ourselves and to one another at the very deep level. The faith will encourage us enlighten us and strengthen us to share and minister to one another no matter what part of Aboriginal we belong to the faith, will make us one family.
As I said earlier as a Deacon, it became my duty to bring the faith church and the culture together. I know Jesus did not come to destroy the Culture he came to fulfil it he measures his men in all Cultures his spirit allows all to reflect in their own Cultural way.
Deacon Boniface Perdjert Quotes
“'when I read the gospels, I read them as an Aboriginal…so many of the things Christ said and did and the way He lived, make me think of the good things of our way of life. Christ did not get worried about material things……He looked on them as things that get in the way and make it hard to get to our true country. He was born in the countryside in a cave, like many of us have been born. He walked about like us and with nowhere to lay His head. He died with nothing on a cross.
There is a special privilege that is their offering to Jesus any church rather than their way of being to Jesus and any Church. Each measures his men to show in any Culture so that what is good grows stronger and what is bad grows weaker and hopefully disappears so people of Culture properly and become strong.’
https://www.natsicc.org.au/acknowledgement-and-welcome-to-country.html
And lastly, on the link below, go to the page with the youtube of Pope John Paul II and go to the 7.00 minute mark for the welcome to country for that great saint. Pope John Paul had an amazing relationship with the Indigenous Church here.
https://www.natsicc.org.au/st-john-paul-resources.html#contact2
well not lastly because you should also read this and look very closely at the photo.
“When I was a kid going to RI (religious instruction), the priest would teach us about the Trinity and I was one of those kids who would say ‘how can three be one’.
“But when I was going through my initiation, the elders taught me the Aboriginal dreaming; they drew three circles in the red sand and called them the human world, the physical world and the sacred world, and I thought in my head ‘gee that’s the same as the Holy Trinity’.”
Mr Lochowiak said looking and understanding culture brings people closer together, “because we’ve got more in common than we have differences”.
“There will be differences but instead of being fearful of them, we celebrate them. I think that’s what makes Australia a unique country.
For those interested in knowing a bit about the indigenous catholic church here.
Aboriginal Deacon Boniface.
https://www.natsicc.org.au/a-tribute-to-deacon-boniface.html
'Lastly let me tell you how important and necessary to proceed and strengthen our Culture in our Catholic Faith. I see remedy for what is going wrong coming from inspiration and the strength of the faith. The faith will bring us together the faith will shelter us and let us listen to ourselves and to one another at the very deep level. The faith will encourage us enlighten us and strengthen us to share and minister to one another no matter what part of Aboriginal we belong to the faith, will make us one family.
As I said earlier as a Deacon, it became my duty to bring the faith church and the culture together. I know Jesus did not come to destroy the Culture he came to fulfil it he measures his men in all Cultures his spirit allows all to reflect in their own Cultural way.
Deacon Boniface Perdjert Quotes
“'when I read the gospels, I read them as an Aboriginal…so many of the things Christ said and did and the way He lived, make me think of the good things of our way of life. Christ did not get worried about material things……He looked on them as things that get in the way and make it hard to get to our true country. He was born in the countryside in a cave, like many of us have been born. He walked about like us and with nowhere to lay His head. He died with nothing on a cross.
There is a special privilege that is their offering to Jesus any church rather than their way of being to Jesus and any Church. Each measures his men to show in any Culture so that what is good grows stronger and what is bad grows weaker and hopefully disappears so people of Culture properly and become strong.’
https://www.natsicc.org.au/acknowledgement-and-welcome-to-country.html
And lastly, on the link below, go to the page with the youtube of Pope John Paul II and go to the 7.00 minute mark for the welcome to country for that great saint. Pope John Paul had an amazing relationship with the Indigenous Church here.
https://www.natsicc.org.au/st-john-paul-resources.html#contact2
well not lastly because you should also read this and look very closely at the photo.
“When I was a kid going to RI (religious instruction), the priest would teach us about the Trinity and I was one of those kids who would say ‘how can three be one’.
“But when I was going through my initiation, the elders taught me the Aboriginal dreaming; they drew three circles in the red sand and called them the human world, the physical world and the sacred world, and I thought in my head ‘gee that’s the same as the Holy Trinity’.”
Mr Lochowiak said looking and understanding culture brings people closer together, “because we’ve got more in common than we have differences”.
“There will be differences but instead of being fearful of them, we celebrate them. I think that’s what makes Australia a unique country.
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Maximian
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I think you may underestimate yourself.
What do you do when bishops or cardinals don’t teach the same things? For example, Cardinal Sarah as prefect for the Congegation of the Liturgy said that Mass is better said ad orientem. Most bishops ignored him. What position do you take?
What do you do when bishops or cardinals don’t teach the same things? For example, Cardinal Sarah as prefect for the Congegation of the Liturgy said that Mass is better said ad orientem. Most bishops ignored him. What position do you take?
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