Watching My marriage go to Ruins

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DeeplyConcerned, how many specialists has she seen?

My mom was told to abort when pregnant with #3 and after she successfully delivered him, she was advised never to have a baby again.

Now number 11 is turning two next week and we are planning her 2nd birthday to be a veggietale party.

You need to definitely get to the bottom of things. Why is pregnancy so dangerous for her? What is the health issue? Can that issue be corrected?

If her reproductive system is not working well, that is something that needs to be looked into and healed, not ignored and covered up by contraception.
 
  1. i`m still here
  2. Vasectomy - I`ve considered only to have my Wife tell me if i do she will seek and annulment, do to not Keeping with her faith, and “Being open to children”
  3. Her cycle ranges from 28-31 days i`ve even seen it go 35 days.
    its never “Normal” so to speak …and yes i am well aware that given the right condition Sperm can live up to 10 days.
  4. Karen this one is for you ------ Yes anyone at anytime may have their life taken --------- but anyone at anytime has a choice to make and usually that determines the Outcome … so do i wish to bethe Cause of the consequence …"NO, therefore ive taken the Directive to allow and Extension to her life.....and "God"must find another way. as we are Given FREE WILL to make the Choices that is what dictates and determines more thngs than you can Imagine. and if i must continue to Share Intimacy with my wife on a level that will possible cause her demise ( because this is a Serious Issue to me ) then that is a SELFISH ACT both for the Church to expect us to Continue to Bring life with the Possibility of ABORTING Another. Self Sacraficing YES..... but lets be real here ....... WELCOME TO 2006 ....Advancemnets in Technology, and Medicine have come a long way. yes there is something to be said here .... what can i say where does one draw the line ..is a heart transplant not defying the will of god, a kidney transplant, a cornea transplant ? if you caught a serious disease ... Flesh eating disease lets say...... is that not Gods way of saying "Nighy night" or will you get the Appendage ( lets say for Giggles your Breasts ) Removed to save Yourself? is that not taking away Gods will to have You terminated ?? ( ill accept the blasting … But You KNOW i do Have a POINT !)
  5. My wife has decide that she doesnt wish to have her uterus removed, or what Makes her, FEMALE so to speak. and as much as id like to get Snipped ( and could Probably do it secretly ( it wouldn`t be appropriate to do it secretly ) ) as well it would Result in the loss of My family as she would Leave with the kids and seek an annulment.
Now, Sorry i dont respond "I WORK" if it was my wife posting >>>>"SHE STAYS HOME, Daycare is Expensive" and the Wifes place is Home with the children. anyone who disagrees is a feminist. well now that thats off my chest........ THIS to me is not Just her Decision...........its Our Decision.......becausse it has to do with our Married Life ,and our Union for the Purpose of Sharing Each other together in gods Union Of marriage , and for the Purpose of being open to life ( which in this day and age 4 kids is being more than Open ) and if it isnt then the Church can start cutting me a cheque for Sustaining the catholic faith , and teaching my Kids the faith , and baptizing them in the faith and paying for the NANNY, cause its me Busting my butt to take care of her and the children… not the church which by having children i am Sustaing the Congregation and the Future of the church and its teachings. and if her life isn`t considered in that then SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG.

( i`ll await the Blasts … i know they are comming )
 
This is incorrect which is the primary reason that NFP has lower statistics than some other forms of birth control. You are operating under the assumption that all women have the same hormonal and menstrual cycles based on 28 days. This is unfortunately not the case. Fertile windows can vary greatly among women from 2 to as much as 10 days. Women can vary greatly in their hormonal and ovulatory cycles. These cycles are under the influence of other extraneous influences such as stress, diet, etc… Even the woman’s anatomy combined with vaginal/uterine environment can influence the viability of sperm. There’s a great deal of variability.
This information is between 35 and 75 years out of date. Except the info on vaginal/uterine environment. That info is up to date. And the effectiveness of NFP is even higher because of that correct information.

28 day cycles is the basis of the rythmn method. Sympto-Thermal method and Creighton models have nothing to do with 28 day cycles. What is being referenced here with 28 days etc. is the common method taught by mainstream fertility doctors and some OB/GYNs. (Non-NFP doctors mind you.) NFP only docs teach Creighton or STM. The statistics on the out of date methods are bad, both at preventing pregnancy and achieving it.

STM and Creighton methods chart based on individual days. Each day is determined as fertile or infertile based on the signs of that day and the preceding days. It could be day 29 in a cycle and depending on a particular woman’s fertility that could be a fertile day or an infertile day. I use STM and have ovulated on day 29 once. That is no big deal when you chart individual fertility. STM and Creighton also rely much more on your present fertility with only references to past cycles. These rythmn methods that are STILL TAUGHT :eek: rely on “averages.” Bleeeeeck! 😛

The easiest way to tell that a doctor is not a true NFP doc, is if you go in for your first pregnancy appointment and he/she asks you when the date of your last period was and then pulls out this little plastic wheel. The little plastic wheel is based on 14 days after your last period for ovulation, hence 28 day cycles. That stupid little plastic wheel can be as many as 14 days wrong for some of us. An NFP doc will say, “so what day did you ovulate?”

I still pray constantly for an NFP doctor to move to my area. (PS. They also don’t do c-sections as often because they know the true due date.)

/end rant.
 
  1. Karen this one is for you ------ Yes anyone at anytime may have their life taken --------- but anyone at anytime has a choice to make and usually that determines the Outcome … so do i wish to bethe Cause of the consequence …"NO, therefore ive taken the Directive to allow and Extension to her life.....and "God"must find another way. as we are Given FREE WILL to make the Choices that is what dictates and determines more thngs than you can Imagine. and if i must continue to Share Intimacy with my wife on a level that will possible cause her demise ( because this is a Serious Issue to me ) then that is a SELFISH ACT both for the Church to expect us to Continue to Bring life with the Possibility of ABORTING Another. Self Sacraficing YES..... but lets be real here ....... WELCOME TO 2006 ....Advancemnets in Technology, and Medicine have come a long way. yes there is something to be said here .... what can i say where does one draw the line ..is a heart transplant not defying the will of god, a kidney transplant, a cornea transplant ? if you caught a serious disease ... Flesh eating disease lets say...... is that not Gods way of saying "Nighy night" or will you get the Appendage ( lets say for Giggles your Breasts ) Removed to save Yourself? is that not taking away Gods will to have You terminated ?? ( ill accept the blasting … But You KNOW i do Have a POINT !)
I think you might have meant to direct this toward me not Karin, but I could be wrong. You won’t get blasted. You don’t need it. What you still need are the calm facts. Medicine is to help a defective ill-functioning body part. By all means treat a diseased body part, remove it if necessary. Fertility is not a disease.

Removing it only trades in one set of problems for another. I ask you, how long is your wife going to be able to stay at home with those lovely children when you are suffering all of the horrible side effects of a vasectomy that are keeping you home from work? Those constant days when you feel like you have the flu because vasectomy has made your body allergic to itself by distributing the sperm inside instead of outside. Or that constant pain caused by the all too common ruptured tube. Or the really high chance of developing an all new strain of diabetes associated with vasectomy (if you have any history of diabetes in your family.) Or just the lowered white count to fight off any old infection because your white blood cells are currently fighting the sperm that does not belong on the outside of your colon, bladder, and stomach.

If your wife’s uterus is really that badly damaged, she really needs to have that investigated. Our society might try to define her femaleness by the presence of a uterus but God does not. It is an absolutely heart-breaking experience to go through a partial or full hysterectomy, but sometimes it is necessary. Every female on one side of my family has had a full or partial hysterectomy, except me. The ones whose uteruses ruptured did so when they were not pregnant. The worst one was a cousin who was single and had never been pregnant.

If your wife’s doctor has insisted on c-sections every time, there is a problem. VBAC (vaginal birth after c-section) is very common and can be very safe. Is the same doctor who did all those c-sections the same one saying he doesn’t have enough to stitch together? Get a second or third opinion. It took me 7 doctors to get close to a correct treatment. If her uterus is really that thin, then menstruating isn’t good for it either, as the blood could be seeping out and adhering to internal organs. (The research on endometreosis is still limited. This has been suggested as one possible cause.) SHe may need a partial hysterectomy. Also, if she sees her uterus as something she MUST keep to define her femaleness, then get both of you to a good Catholic counselor.

You bet. If my breasts, (or uterus) were really the problem and couldn’t be fixed, YEP, I’d cut 'em off! Sorry, this one hits a little close to home since I have been fighting doctors on a hysterectomy since I was 22. That’s 13 years now. My uterus isn’t the problem, but if they remove it and my ovaries I won’t have pain anymore. It won’t really cure the disease, but they would rather use the quick, cheap fix that will shut off the pain.

Ok sorry, maybe it did become a blasting. You are still in my prayers. Despite any and all of my ranting, you do sound like a great man, and a devoted husband and father. I understand that being this out of control of an extremely difficult circumstance is probably one of the most heart-wrenching thing a man can go through. Real men pride yourselves on being strong in battle and winning a swift victory. And that, Deeply Concerned, is one of God’s greatest gifts to men. It is one of your best qualities. 👍
 
Now, Sorry i dont respond "I WORK" if it was my wife posting >>>>"SHE STAYS HOME, Daycare is Expensive" and the Wifes place is Home with the children. anyone who disagrees is a feminist. well now that thats off my chest........ THIS to me is not Just her Decision...........its Our Decision.......becausse it has to do with our Married Life ,and our Union for the Purpose of Sharing Each other together in gods Union Of marriage , and for the Purpose of being open to life ( which in this day and age 4 kids is being more than Open ) and if it isnt then the Church can start cutting me a cheque for Sustaining the catholic faith , and teaching my Kids the faith , and baptizing them in the faith and paying for the NANNY, cause its me Busting my butt to take care of her and the children… not the church which by having children i am Sustaing the Congregation and the Future of the church and its teachings. and if her life isn`t considered in that then SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG.
**Okay. **

**First - you BOTH work. The only difference is she doesn’t get the validation of a paycheck or vacation days and will probably never get to retire. So don’t go spouting off about busting YOUR butt FOR her and the kids. Marriage is about a husband AND wife busting their butts working for the needs of the family and maybe busting some little butts along the way.😉 **

Second - You may not know this, but the uterus is normally very thin, not much thicker than saran wrap, you can see through it to some extent normally. Do not confuse how thin it may be with how strong it is. Amazingly strong even when much thinner. Most uterine ruptures are not due to thin uterus. They are due to scar tissue at the cut site busting when contractions put pressure on them, which is actually thicker than other areas. A planned c/sec almost completely removes this risk. So yes, you do need a second opinion. I’m sorry for the dr giving the scare tactic, valid or not. Fear should not be the basis for major medical decisions.

Third - You say this is to be a mutual decision, but you are unwilling to let your wife have a say in it. She is right to feel betrayed by your stance. It hurts her faith. It hurts your relationship with her. It is a rejection of a large part of who she is. I would recommend prayerfully abstaining for an agreed time and focusing on your relationship. After which, hopefully better united, you can both come to a calm, agreed, medically sound decision that won’t hurt your relationship with each other or your wife’s faith.

God bless.
 
**Second - You may not know this, but the uterus is normally very thin, not much thicker than saran wrap, you can see through it to some extent normally. Do not confuse how thin it may be with how strong it is. Amazingly strong even when much thinner. Most uterine ruptures are not due to thin uterus. They are due to scar tissue at the cut site busting when contractions put pressure on them, which is actually thicker than other areas. A planned c/sec almost completely removes this risk. So yes, you do need a second opinion. **
Such good points! Some are totally opposite of some that I was posting, but still very valid. (EDIT: like the c-section info. Planned c-sections can be good.) Goes to show how important a second opinion is. 👍
 
I think it is better to err on the side of caution when another human life is at stake! VBACs used to be popular and acceptable and are now being proven to be more dangerous than previously thought! I think that a Csection is a serious surgery and comes with complications as any surgery does! I would not advise my daughter or sister or mother or friend to take chances in this department! I have talked to many physicians about VBACs and was told that in the near future hospitals will not allow VBACs for the reasons mentioned above and I am speaking of ProLife ProNFP doctors as well! I dont buy into something just because a website says something is ok! And I believe that if Someones dr. told them something was dangerous there is a good reason for it! I think that it is irresponsable to tell someone their dr. is incorrect without knowing all the facts and without being in the Medical profession or consulting a Health Care professional about the facts! I dont buy into these conspiracy theories that all Dr.s are just out to make a buck or dont want women to have more than two kids! Maybe there are some but few and far between the good ones!
 
Hello,
i`m looking for SOUND advice.

Im a Father of 4. Husband to a beautiful wife who has give birth to all 4 of our children Via C-section. im Watching our marriage Crumble…and from the catholic Perspective its due to ME. Which i feel is not fair, but i`m searching for answers so doing pin the Tail just yet.

due to 4 c-sections my wife Although not told by her Midwife Has a very weak/Nil Uterus 😦
the OBGYN took us aside and discussed this matter with US during the last Surgery, and the Midwife was told to do the same LATER in future Check-ups. ( didnt happen ) she was told as was i that another pregnancy would be Possibly lethal to her Existence or any Possible babys.
she has Brough 4 Wonderful beautiful children into our lives 2 girls, and 2 boys.
I dont wish to have her Future on my Concience ( life/death ) i dont and cant bend on my feelings for her and that its time for us to take some Precautions or for me to Directly take some actions as to ensure her LIFE continues not death happens. this has Cause Great Dispair in our married life, as to her it means im not open to life, and to me its I`m not open to KILLING her from Uteran Rupture or the risk there of.

am i being Inconsiderate to her faith ( i know im gonna get blasted ) but i see it this way ....... ( take in account i dont believe in abortion …this is a scenario )
Pregnancy for her can = death = as i see it Murder
is this not the same scenario in some respects, am i then no better than the abortionist, what about the loss i will suffer, and the resentment i may feel twards my kids because of her death.

When, and Where does the Line get Drawn ?
what are the Courses of action we Maybe can take.
it just doesnt seem right that a Faith Built on life and procreation. should be so negative to allow for the Loss of a parent/partner in the Marriage/union relationship. isnt family about the ONE UNIT father/mother, offspring as a whole union ?

im confused as to why? is life no Precious ? i guess the big thing is my wife sees it as if it happens it happens. and i cant accept that. she is a beautiful woman, and has just as might right to life as anyone else…why should i be the cause of her life being Aborted? why can`t we as a couple be allowed to take actions to help stop this?

Please im open to hearing responses and suggestions. im close to seperate rooms, and No contact at all just to save her life, even though it will destroy our marriage.
You obviously know what the right thing to do is… so I am not going to offer you any advice. The right thing is usually not the easiest.

You two are so young and have a lot of responsibility right now. You should be enjoying your beautiful family right now, not worrying about losing your wife. I am so sorry. I will be praying for you. Prayers for guidance from God and the peace to live according to His Will.
 
…vasectomy. It’s generally a very safe and effective procedure. …
So is abortion, the two typically remain wrong; it generally is safe for me to shoot an unarmed man, and the likelihood it will be right is greater than the likelihood of an abortion, or vasectomy being right, for all you know: I could be on the death squad in a prison, or in combat–safety–what a joke.
 
I don’t know why not having sex with your wife is going to ruin your marriage.
 
I have talked to many physicians about VBACs and was told that in the near future hospitals will not allow VBACs for the reasons mentioned above and I am speaking of ProLife ProNFP doctors as well!

I think that it is irresponsable to tell someone their dr. is incorrect without knowing all the facts and without being in the Medical profession or consulting a Health Care professional about the facts!
I’ve had 5 perfectly wonderful VBACs and 2 drs who would disagree with you. and 3 drs who said it was stupid to risk more than 1 or 2 pregnancies, because pregnancies in and of themselves carry risk. There is zero reason for me not to have another should I get pregnant again. Should that change, I’d be grateful to have a c/s.

**I have not said his dr. is incorrect. I have said his dr. is using scare tactics, which he is. I’ve recommended a second, thorough opinion based on facts and real numbers for this individual. Rather than a dr. saying “look at this this!” to a patient’s dh who is already scared and ignorant of how it should look to begin with. Real numbers rather the a vague “it could happen” - yes it could. That doesn’t mean it will or that there is even a high percentage chance that it will. **

I don’t know why not having sex with your wife is going to ruin your marriage.
**When done out of resentment, rather than genuine love and concern, it is not abstaining from sex - it is abstaining from affection and loving.😦 **

When done with love and concern, it can remove a worry or a stress situation (“OMG what if she gets pregnant!” or “OMG what if he hates me/baby if I get pregnant!”), so that a couple can focus on other areas of concern openly and with love for each other.
 
I don’t know, but he could have sex with her during her menses–he could abstain from having sex with her to save her life, and think that there ought to be a lot of love, and affection in a marriage with four kids, which out to be as satisfying, or more satisfying than sex without being able to conceive a child that he will love; though suffering through the loss of her life–I don’t know, but something just seems wrong here: I keep thinking that he just wants what we wants; when he wants it, and if he can’t get it when he wants; every time he wants it, then he won’t get it at all–I don’t know if this guy is trying hard enough to save his marriage; seems like he’s already made up his mind that it’s ruined; he’ll abstain to the ruin of his own marriage; rather than abstain to remove the threat that his sexual desire for her is to her life. It’s a hard situation, but his attitude doesn’t appear to be helping at all.
 
Unfortunately, sperm CAN live up to 10 days and women CAN have cycles as short as 21 days sometimes. This means even having sex during the menses can (admittedly incredibly rarely) still result in pregnancy.
 
It’s a hard situation, but his attitude doesn’t appear to be helping at all.
I agree, but cannot say whether his attitude is due to sincere affection for his wife or, as you say, simple desire to get what he wants when he wants it as he wants it.

I wonder…
What percetnage risk is he okay with?
1%, 5%, 10%, 50%???


5% of pregnancy complication
5% failure rate of a birth control/sterilization (yep, sometimes a vas or tubal heals up as was the case after 10 years for a friend of mine)


There are only 2 things that remove any and all risk. Castration of either party or to abstain completely until menopause.

If a body wouldn’t risk even 20%, I wonder if they would ever feel truely “safe” having sex with their spouse? I say this not in judgement for those who use NFP, but as a genuine question of curiosity.

I think how many dc a person has or has not is of no issue to the question. Why would you be willing to risk more for 1 child than you would for a 4th child? It would never occur to me to do that. I would gladly give my life for any of them, first or 8th or 10th should it come to that. They are my children!
 
I think how many dc a person has or has not is of no issue to the question. Why would you be willing to risk more for 1 child than you would for a 4th child? It would never occur to me to do that. I would gladly give my life for any of them, first or 8th or 10th should it come to that. They are my children!
I agree. I’ve been told no more after this one, but I’m gonna let God decide that. I’m not qualified! I do plan on using NFP for a year or so to let my body heal, but after that, He knows whether He has another baby for us or not. I trust God more than doctors.

And to the OP, you need to learn a new method of NFP! I suggest Creighton, as you’ve seen from previous posts, it is the most effective. You obviously have issues with knowing how to interpret the fertility signs or you would not have those 2 unplanned children. Learn how to use it correctly, or don’t blame the method!
 
…I agree, but cannot say whether his attitude is due to sincere affection for his wife or, …, simple desire to get what he wants when he wants it as he wants it. …I wonder…What percetnage risk is he okay with?..There are only 2 things that remove any and all risk. Castration of either party or to abstain completely until menopause. …I wonder if they would ever feel truely “safe” having sex with their spouse?..Why would you be willing to risk more for 1 child than you would for a 4th child? …I would gladly give my life for any of them,…They are my children!
Dear Rob’s Wife, et. al.:

I can’t help, but think that he does of course, have affection for his wife, and it is expressed through sex, and the love too; though, I am disturbed that the loss of sexual intercourse to him, would be of such importance that it would jeopardize his marriage–you seem to share his wife’s view of pregnancy, the intimacy, the passion through sexual intercourse, and the commitment deeply felt both by her, and by you sound impressive against his desire to keep his wife alive; I know this is difficult: he has emotions to work out–I think that his attitude is just bad, no matter the reason for his upset about sexual relations with his wife; frustrating as it must be for him, and for her. I probably am repeating myself: I seem to be having a hard time understanding the conflict–he would like a non-threatening method of sexual intercourse with his wife; she would like sexual intercourse with him, receptive to all the risks inclusive of the loss, of her own life; yet, with the provision risk may be reduced with Natural Family Planning (NFP)–he would like another method of prevention–there doesn’t appear to be any conflict about having sex; there only is a conflict about the method of sexual intercourse with respect to prevention of a pregnancy and therefore, prevention of the loss, of her life and therefore, the loss of his animosity, or blame toward his child; should there happen to be one for her death; should there happen to be a death. Did I lose anyone?

I think that the conflict is between a method of birth control acceptable to him, and acceptable to her–they disagree; mostly for the reason, he would like greater assurance, greater control over her life–does she live; does she die. He has no control over this, and he is thinking about marriage in terms of a union; yet, does she agree: he should abstain, sexually; though she would accept the loss of her own life, with the conception, or birth of a child, which I think must remain an uncertainty; though, a heightened risk, because her uterine wall is thin; what is unknown about any future pregnancy, which might lessen any damage her uterine wall could sustain, I mean: not every pregnancy from this point forward will provide the same risk to her uterine wall, but might actually prove less of a strain to her uterine wall, than everyone is thinking–preemies, and whatever else, very easy births.

I ought to look more closely at your questions: I’m not a woman, but as a man in his position: I would still want my wife; though, I would love a child through her, at the risk of her life, I would grieve her death; should it actually occur–I mean: I would marry my wife knowing that she could lose me the next day–I risk my life, for many more situations than the birth of my child, than for the love, the affection I have for my wife, (Speaking hypothetically), either through sexual intercourse, or through whatever else might be the case–as I stop and think about it: I may not have placed my life on the line for less, but I sure never received a child from anyone as a consequence of risking my life; though, I lost my child’s life, because my ex-fiance and her family agreed that their child should be aborted–my experiences are similar to this man’s; though, the sexual intercourse between us remained receptive, by-and-large on my part alone, all too often on my side of the fence, and I knew that she had her views, and her family had their views on abortion, and I did what I could between seventeen and eighteen to stop the sexual activity, because I knew her views conflicted with mine; it was difficult emotionally, in many respects–humiliating as it must sound too many, coming from a male: I was raped; though, never really forced to comply sexually with her seduction–I was uncomfortable, and it is complex, because I made my mistake to advance her way;…there isn’t anyway for me to look good; defend myself, and say, respect for the dignity of all involved never was destroyed–his situation is different, but it is the same to the extent that sexual intercourse with someone might result in the loss of human life;…of course, my sexual involvement with someone resulted in the death, the murder of my child, as I see it: being familiar with her, and her family’s view.

Most sincerely,

Kristopher
 
You obviously have issues with knowing how to interpret the fertility signs or you would not have those 2 unplanned children. Learn how to use it correctly, or don’t blame the method!
This is harsh.

NFP is not perfect, neither in practice or in results. It is an option for when there are no other moral options available. It is a genuine cross for those who feel they must use it. And those people deserve our prayers and support. People do get pregnant using NFP, just like people get pregnant using other forms of birth control or sterilization. NONE are 100%, so your comment was rather harsh. Only castration or total abstinence until menopause are 100%

If this good husband and wife feel they truely cannot take the risk, then I hope they do try to perfect their NFP use and they certainly need prayer for fortification of their love for each other during the time they use NFP and now as they make their choices.

During NFP use and now as they work this out, they should also look into ways to strengthen that uterus. There are herbal suppliments and physical exercises that she could benefit greatly from, even if she never gets pregnant again.

I’m not against NFP use, but I really, really, (did I say really?) dislike that it is billed as some wonderful joyous thing. It’s not. It is both a blessing and a cross in any marriage that has a need to use it.
 
. …I’m not against NFP use, but I really, really, (did I say really?) dislike that it is billed as some wonderful joyous thing. It’s not. It is both a blessing and a cross in any marriage that has a need to use it.
I wouldn’t mind if you would elaborate on the point, Rob’s Wife, about NFP as both blessing, and cross; I trust as it would concern Deeply Concerned, it would certainly be a cross to the extent that what might reflect a failure to the husband, and a success to the wife, a child; nonetheless would reflect the death of the mother and therefore, a cross, more specifically to the husband; though, it would be a blessing to the extent that it is practiced, correctly, and I remember mention in the one book that I read by Nona Aguilar, “No Risk No Pill Birth Control”, many people find themselves saying, we knew what we were doing with this method, and understood it; only to speak with some consultant, and learn–they misunderstood, or failed to recognize something; charting, or a detail, whatever else might be the case.

I think that there is no risk to Natural Family Planning as it does satisfy the requisite characteristic essential to the act of sexual intercourse: receptivity not only to conception, but also to a live birth.

There is no lack of perfection to Natural Family Planning that I can see: it is complete as a method to yield to pregnancy.

Natural Family Planning is a method of planning for the birth of a child, as opposed to preventing the birth of a child. To this extent it is a form of birth control, the methods of control of course, inclusive only of a thermometer, (A specific type of thermometer), a chart, the insertion of a finger into the vaginal canal, to determine the firmess of the cervix, and its height, etc.

To what extent is NFP a burden? Is it a burden to wake-up in the morning next to your loved one; spend five to ten minutes in conversation about the woman’s fertility/infertility? What exactly is the burden–abstinence for a period of maybe six days?

It makes no difference that sperm might live, though it would be atypical, for it to live ten days: it would die against the natural spermicide of the woman’s mucus, when sticky, pasty, and opaque.

I’m not a practitioner of NFP, but I read the book, and it was maybe one year ago.

It might be Teakafrog was harsh; nonetheless, Deeply Concerned did in his post about NFP have a rather obstinate view of NFP, no matter his reason for it–already anticipating what others might say, already having gone through a number of routines, and being sick of it all; frustrated, sexually, he might have to abstain 'til menopause, or whatever else might be the case.

Most sincerely,

Kristopher

P.S. Women’s cycles do vary, though, NFP is concerned with each day–cycles as short as twenty-one days, and as long, usually due at times to stress, to forty or so days.
 
Blessing of NFP =
A chance to have unitive relations with ones spouse, with a greatly reduced chance/risk of pregnancy in serious conditions.


**Cross of NFP = **
**Those unitive relations are limited to times when many feel less desire and, for some, are limited to very few times in general. **

When the unitive act is most craved and desired - for any reason, not just physical, but emotional and mental also - the natural turning to each other of husband and wife must always come second to a chart.

**Usually a couple that truely needs NFP does not want NFP. It is a cross they are blessed to lovingly share out of neccessity. **

And I repeat:
**Only castration or total abstinence until menopause are 100% **We can argue %s, but no birth control can claim 100%.

I think, you have to do more than read the book to understand this.
 
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