"We can't take this anymore", Holy Redeemer Parishoners want Rome to clean up the Church

[darthsmozers]

Here is a thread that talks about such a topic. Although this doesn’t answer your question in full it’s a start. Hope this helps.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=189511&highlight=denied+communion

Thanks

 

[rciadan]

Traditional or Vatican II are the same teaching. Only some of the language and method of presentation are different.

In theory only. In practise and implementation, Vatican II is almost diametrically opposed to all the Catholic Church has taught for 1965 years.

Remember, to interpret Vatican II as a break with tradition is to misinterpret Vatican II.

Then the thousand of priests bishops, and religious who have blatantly misinterpreted need serious and prompt correction, or has Rome misinterpreted as well?

 

[Larry1700]

Wouldn’t the best way be through your local Diocese?

Immediately after I converted to Catholicism, I would have thought so. That’s when I thought that the Bishops were in communion with Rome, and the priests were in communion with the Bishops. Now, sadly, I see things differently.

For example, shortly after the Motu Proprio was announced, I called the diocese and left a voice mail message to ask how to find out which churches in our area would be doing the TLM. There has been no response. I asked the priests in the two parishes we frequent if they would be doing it, and both said no.

Whether or not going through the diocese would be effective depends on the attitude of the Bishop and staff. If the laity in San Francisco tried to go through the diocese to complain to the Vatican, it would fall on deaf ears, and the complaint would never make it to the Vatican.

Sadly, I’m beginning to see the church hierarchy as more of a potlitical organization. The beauty of all the clergy working together to teach the faithful properly and lead them to spiritual purity is a wonderful idea, but I don’t see it happening in the real world. Please, someone, convince me that I’m wrong, because I seriously want to see the Church Militant in the way it is presented in the Catechism, and in the great Catholic classical literature.

 

[Iwesshome]

This is what I found upon a search.

**Contacting Vatican Officials **

**To contact the Pope, write to:**His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI
00120 Vatican City, Italy, Europe
E-mail: benedettoxvi@vatican.va
**If your bishop isn’t doing his job, contact:**Giovanni Battista Cardinal Re
Prefect, Congregation for Bishops
Piazza Pio XII, 10
00193 Vatican City, Italy, Europe
Phone: (011) 39-6-6988-4217

**In case of liturgical abuse, contact: **Francis Cardinal Arinze
Prefect, Congregation for Divine Worship and Sacraments
Piazza XII, 10
00193 Vatican City, Italy, Europe
Phone: (011) 39-6-6988-4368

**In case of bad catechesis, contact:**Dario Castrillon Cardinal Hoyos
Prefect, Congregation for the Clergy
Piazza Pio XII, 3
00193 Vatican City, Italy, Europe
Phone: (011) 39-6-6988-4136

For problems with Catholic schools, universities, and seminaries, contact: Zenon Cardinal Grocholewski
Prefect, Congregation for Catholic Education and Seminaries
Piazza Pio XII, 3
00193 Vatican City, Italy, Europe
Phone: (011) 39-6-6988-4156

For the Ecclesia Dei Commission, contact: His Eminence Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos President, Commision Ecclesia Dei Plazza del S. Uffizio 11, 00120 Vatican City, Italy, Europe

 

[Angels_Watchin]

canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/249
By *Judi McLeod, Editor *Monday, October 15, 2007

HEADLINE:
Is San Francisco Archbishop an “elderly man taken by surprise” in Communion incident…
CLOSING LINE:
Or is he a longtime gay activist dressed in a bishop’s mitre?

This is now being reported in Canada by someone who seems to get it. Judi MacLeod, Editor of CFP, has quite a bit of interesting history in her article posted Monday in the Canadian Free Press.
canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/249
The article also reminds us of another of AB Neiderauer’s “mistakes”.

(previous info here:
Drag “sisters” receive the Eucharist from archbishop )

If AB Neiderauer is sincere about his “mistake” and his apology, then he needs to come out publicly and excommunicate the group and the members.

We’ll see.

 

[irenaeus1]

In theory only. In practise and implementation, Vatican II is almost diametrically opposed to all the Catholic Church has taught for 1965 years.

I agree that there was poor implementation, but this was not the fault of Vatican II. Keep in mind that all of those who supposedly implemented Vatican II in the immediate wake of the Council were priests and bishops who were ordained pre-Vatican II. What was wrong with their pre-Vatican II formation that allowed them to take such a poor and erroneous view of the teachings of Vatican II?

Then the thousand of priests bishops, and religious who have blatantly misinterpreted need serious and prompt correction, or has Rome misinterpreted as well?

Yes, there are many who have misinterpreted (whether intentionally or not), but there also have been many priests and bishops (including the last two popes) who have clearly stated that to interpret Vatican II as a break with tradition is to misinterpret the Council.

 

[Larry1700]

This is what I found upon a search.

**Contacting Vatican Officials **

Thank you very much, lwesshome !

Isn’t it funny that the Pope has an email contact listed, yet all the others don’t?

Is anyone else going to write the Vatican (or elsewhere) about this?

 

[WordLogos]

What the hell is wrong with these people? Why is there so much muck?

Jesus, we need a house cleaning. Please bless us with a giant broom of holy justice.

 

[Larry1700]

I just sent the following email:

To Your Holiness Pope Benedict XVI:

During my 3-year journey of conversion to Catholicism, I had the great pleasure of reading many apologetics books, Catholic classical literature, Pope John Paul II’s Catechism of the Catholic Church, and the Compendium. I was so excited to finally see the beauty, tradition, spiritual treasures, and most especially the authority which resides in the Catholic Church. I understood that the Bishops were in communion with Rome, and the priests were in communion with the Bishops. I placed my trust in everything the priests and Bishops said and did, believing that even if I didn’t fully comprehend it, I could rely on the fact that it somehow falls in line with the teaching of Rome.

Sadly, I’m beginning to see the church hierarchy as more of a potlitical organization, with various “parties” which follow their own beliefs, and with the protection of the Bishops or even Rome in the event one of the clergy does something wrong… The beauty of all the clergy working together to teach the faithful properly and lead them to spiritual purity is a wonderful idea, but I don’t see it happening in the real world. I hope I’m wrong, because I seriously want to see the Church Militant in the way it is presented in the Catechism, and in the great Catholic classical literature.

With the sexual sins of the priests still making my heart ache, the latest travesty at Most Holy Redeemer in San Francisco adds greatly to my pain. Our blessed Lord’s precious Body was given to two people who are among those who make it a practice to mock the Church, nuns, priests, and the Last Supper. Archbishop Niederauer issued an apology, but the church bulletin printed a thank-you note by one of the “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence” in which he/she praises the church for being so inclusive. A look at the Most Holy Redeemer website mhr.org/ shows you how bad the situation is.

Also, the giving of the Blessed Sacrament to those politicians who actively support abortion is an ongoing problem in many dioceses.

I beg of you to take action quickly to right these wrongs. Many people are considering leaving the Church, and joining the Society of St. Pius X, an Eastern-Rite church, or even a protestant church. Many who have considered joining our Church are now reluctant to do so. Many who are reluctant to take such drastic action are seeing their faith pushed to the limit.

Please, Your Holiness, do something now!

Respectfully yours in Christ,

 

[Jennifer123]

Did anyone watch Hannity and Colmes tonight? Arrrgh - basically the commentators (Susan Estrich and Neil Bortz) said they didn’t understand the big deal, ppl who are upset are judgemental, it was nice they were in Church, and so forth.
It seems like this is a grand opportunity to put the Church in a bad light and many are jumping on the bandwagon. Scandal indeed. Now what does the Bible say about that?

 

[Tietjen]

Even though what these folks do is offensive, a thought has occured to me. I know that you’re not supposed to be recieving eucharist if you’ve got mortal sin on your heart but I can’t help but think that maybe the Archbishop had good intentions behind this. I mean perhaps, just perhaps, that he was thinking that the eucharist might help these guys? I mean as offensive as what these dudes do, mocking the church and all, perhaps they need the eucharist and the special grace that comes from it. may be the grace could, oh i dunno, begin to change them and lead them to the Lord? just a thought here folks.

I mean no disrespect here, but I sincerely believe that no grace was given to these two… err… men. Grace is not given by committing mortal sin. That is what this act was, a mortal sin! These “men” committed grave sin, knew that it was grave and willingly did it despite that. They have mocked God’s Church, they have mocked God Himself. I know of no other situation like this where God has bestowed grace on a person(s) who mocks Him, mock His Church, and/or instruct people to “sin some more.” To hell with political correctness and all that “warm and fuzzy” stuff.

 

[geraldffff]

er men I’m sorry to say that the best I could call them would be freaks. I know from the following Bible passage that I am in danger of hell fire from feeling the way I do. It is certain that the devil is at work in presenting a situation that makes it so hard to love those involved in this wicked deed. Yet I must get a grip and remember a God of mercy and justice rules the world and my hatred will only work against the Cross of Christ . I will pray that I can pray rather that rant in vain.
1 Corinthians
Chapter 13

1
1 If I speak in human and angelic tongues 2 but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.
2
And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.
3
If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4
3 Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, (love) is not pompous, it is not inflated,
5
it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury,
6
it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.
7
It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things

 

[prayingforgood]

Hey, Tietjen -
I, too, watched Hannity & Colmes. I was quite disappointed that Sean’s response was so weak. I could not believe that anyone (i.e. Susan/Neal) could be so matter-of-fact. They acted as if a church is just another public forum! Unbelievable that no one but Fox is even discussing this attack. Why is our freedom of religion never defended? Until this story, I was naive about San Francisco. No other mainstream church would put up with this. I can’t believe the hierarchy of ours will.

 

[ltravis]

Could you all answer me one question, because an event like this, involving an archbishop of all people, really makes me wonder. What has to happen before we get to the point of “the gates of hell prevailing” over the church? Obviously we are promised that such won’t happen, but in my earlier days I would have thought it meant protection from the things we see today. Please help me understand…seriously

LT

 

[mexilad]

The sad thing about this is that parish has been that way for years. I was baptized there, and went to school there, when they still had a school. It is known as a gay parish to many folks. It is very hard to find orthodox Catholicism in San Francisco.

 

[geraldffff]

Could you all answer me one question, because an event like this, involving an archbishop of all people, really makes me wonder. What has to happen before we get to the point of “the gates of hell prevailing” over the church? Obviously we are promised that such won’t happen, but in my earlier days I would have thought it meant protection from the things we see today. Please help me understand…seriously

LT

I think Jesus tells us we must wait till the final harvest then the weeds will be pulled up and thrown in to the fire. That suggests there will always be Weeds within the true Church. St Augustine in the City of God reflects this view. Earlier in this thread letters from one of the Fathers were linked to wherein the abuses in his time were listed, about 379. What is left for us it to Pray, hope and use our hands, feet and mouths in the proper way when we can.

 

[rciadan]

I agree that there was poor implementation, but this was not the fault of Vatican II. Keep in mind that all of those who supposedly implemented Vatican II in the immediate wake of the Council were priests and bishops who were ordained pre-Vatican II. What was wrong with their pre-Vatican II formation that allowed them to take such a poor and erroneous view of the teachings of Vatican II? Of course there were heretics before VII, but, at least thier modernism, dissent and apostasy was kept in check before VII.

Yes, there are many who have misinterpreted (whether intentionally or not), but there also have been many priests and bishops (including the last two popes) who have clearly stated that to interpret Vatican II as a break with tradition is to misinterpret the Council.

Again, the Popes are referring to the documents. In other words, “in theory”. I refer to the reality of the situation, “in practise”.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Did anyone watch Hannity and Colmes tonight? Arrrgh - basically the commentators (Susan Estrich and Neil Bortz) said they didn’t understand the big deal, ppl who are upset are judgemental, it was nice they were in Church, and so forth.
It seems like this is a grand opportunity to put the Church in a bad light and many are jumping on the bandwagon. Scandal indeed. Now what does the Bible say about that?

This is so typical. People who are not Christian telling us to ‘act like christians’. How would they know or understand?

 

[Elzee]

Did anyone watch Hannity and Colmes tonight? Arrrgh - basically the commentators (Susan Estrich and Neil Bortz) said they didn’t understand the big deal, ppl who are upset are judgemental, it was nice they were in Church, and so forth.
It seems like this is a grand opportunity to put the Church in a bad light and many are jumping on the bandwagon. Scandal indeed. Now what does the Bible say about that?

What did Sean Hannity say? I’d like his “Catholic” perspective on this. May have been a chance to redeem himself … a little…

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Could you all answer me one question, because an event like this, involving an archbishop of all people, really makes me wonder. What has to happen before we get to the point of “the gates of hell prevailing” over the church? Obviously we are promised that such won’t happen, but in my earlier days I would have thought it meant protection from the things we see today. Please help me understand…seriously

LT

The Church will survive This does not mean that all dioceses will survive. Our auxiliary bishops are titular bishops of what were once thriving dioceses in North Africa and the Middle East. There may come a day when there will be a titular bishop of San Francisco.