"We Must Affirm that the Papacy is the Anti-Christ"

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terryobrien80 said:
Acts 7:2
And he [Stephen] said, "Hear me, brethren and fathers!

Acts 22:1
Paul’s Defense before the Jews ] " Brethren and fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you."

1 Corinthians 4:15
For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.

Ephesians 6:4
Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

Colossians 3:21
Fathers, do not exasperate your children, so that they will not lose heart.

1 John 2:13
I am writing to you, fathers

1 John 2:14
I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning I have written to you

So are they all disobeying Jesus? They are calling men “fathers”. Well? Or are you guys going to put the old Fundie spin on these verses too

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Back on topic, there is no question what position Luther and some others held. I do wonder if now they have backed off of that position. If so, when and why. Also, why keep the language?
 
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This statement didn’t do anything but cause people fear and dread

Is this in effect? is it in the Catechism?

“We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.”

–POPE LEO XIII

quoting THE GREAT ENCYCLICAL LETTERS OF POPE LEO XIII
p. 304, Benziger Brothers (1903)
 
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Yoo Hoo where did everybody go, just when we were getting back on topic 🤷
 
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Did this really become too hot to handle?
 
turnorburn said:
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This statement didn’t do anything but cause people fear and dread

Is this in effect? is it in the Catechism?

“We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.”

–POPE LEO XIII

quoting THE GREAT ENCYCLICAL LETTERS OF POPE LEO XIII
p. 304, Benziger Brothers (1903)
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But we (Catholics) generally don’t use that language anymore.

Similarly, don’t you think Lutherans should reconsider the “Pope is the anti-Christ” language?
 
gcnuss said:
An excellent answer!!👍
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Thanks. A Lutheran friend of mine (Wisconsin Synod) told me those were the two answers he likes to give when asked “When were you saved?” (This was several years ago, so I don’t remember his exact words.)
 
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You don’t use which language English? are you still using Latin?
Peter_J said:
But we (Catholics) generally don’t use that language anymore.

Similarly, don’t you think Lutherans should reconsider the “Pope is the anti-Christ” language?
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Peter_J said:
But we (Catholics) generally don’t use that language anymore.

Similarly, don’t you think Lutherans should reconsider the “Pope is the anti-Christ” language?
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Only when he stops being in the office of anti-Christ :rotfl:
 
Peter_J said:
Thanks. A Lutheran friend of mine (Wisconsin Synod) told me those were the two answers he likes to give when asked “When were you saved?” (This was several years ago, so I don’t remember his exact words.)
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You don’t remember the exact words but you should remember the day you met Jesus Christ.
 
Peter_J said:
Thanks. A Lutheran friend of mine (Wisconsin Synod) told me those were the two answers he likes to give when asked “When were you saved?” (This was several years ago, so I don’t remember his exact words.)
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Typically “Before the foundation of the world, 2000 years ago on the cross, at baptism, am being saved, and will be saved at the Second Advent.” 👍
 
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Vicar of Christ.

A substitute Christ…

“For the Roman pontiff (pope), by reason of his office as VICAR OF CHRIST, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal POWER over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise UNHINDERED.”

–CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 1994, P. 254 #882

“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely NECESSARY FOR the SALVATION of every human creature to be SUBJECT TO THE ROMAN PONTIFF (POPE).”

–POPE BONIFACE VIII, BULL UNUN SANCTUM, 1302
 
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