Went undercover to a Baptist church today

[war_eagle]

I didn’t say that. When speaking to me, please drop the fundamentalist trait of putting words in my mouth.

I didn’t put words in your mouth. I can go back and show you where you said it, if you like.

IF the priest used the unfortunate word sequence “sharing the Gospel” with you or whoever, that’s, well, unfortunate. But I guarantee that’s not what he meant.

Kreskin! is that you?

I hear that a lot. But then, a lot of ex-fundamentalists and Bible scholars become Catholic after really digging deep into scripture and Church history.

And a lot of Roman Catholic become Christians after really digging deep into the scriptures.

I always try to assume the best of people. If he was baptized and in a state of grace, he was saved.

But surely you know that isn’t how the Bible tells us that one is saved, don’t you?

Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m saying.

Sad.

But I’ve never come across a Catholic who persists in spreading lies about Protestants.

I do. Every day.

Sure, he may be insanely prejudiced, but not a liar. I see a lot of people continually misrepresent what Catholics believe even after being explained XYZ doctrine hundreds of times.

Wait until you’ve had to explain that Christians of various denominations are united around the essential doctrines of the faith, that OSAS doesn’t mean that you can sin all you want to, that we don’t reject the authority of the church, that we are a bona fide part of the church, etc, ad infinitem.

In my experience, committed anti-Catholics or even most fundamentalists simply don’t give a damn about what Catholics really believe. So, whatever. I just hang them with their hypocrisy and have a few laughs.

And I can say the same about Roman Catholics not caring what Christians believe.

 

[montanaman]

Whatever. I have no idea why you dug up this old thread, “WAR” Eagle, but I hope you have a good time. I’ve logged in more hours than I can count having my words sliced and diced and spit back at me by so-called “Christians.” I’ll enjoy my semi-retirement from apologetics by choosing to discuss with people who don’t have enormous chips on their shoulders… Feel free to get into it with someone who has the patience or the time.

 

[war_eagle]

Whatever. I have no idea why you dug up this old thread

At the bottom of the page in some threads, there is a little menu with links to other, similar threads. This one was one of them and looked interesting. I can’t help that this website’s software chose to include such an old thread in the menu.

“WAR” Eagle

OK, MONTANAman.

I’ll enjoy my semi-retirement from apologetics by choosing to discuss with people who don’t have enormous chips on their shoulders

So far, it looks like you’re the only one with the chip on your shoulder.

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[pnewton]

This actually happens quite a bit. I have a copy of a letter that an evangelist friend sent me. A priest wrote to him to ask him to stop sharing the Gospel with the people in his church because they were all getting saved and leaving.

We have a ton of people in our church who were Roman Catholics.
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We have a ton of former Baptists and Methodists in my parish. It’s always interesting when we sing some of the old Baptist hymns how people jump in and sing a little louder. However, if you say you never heard the Bible, I do not understand how that could happen. Catholics read more scripture in Mass than any Baptist church I attended.

BTW - I noticed that I posted on this thread three years ago. My how time flies.

 

[strngrnrth]

A priest wrote to him to ask him to stop sharing the Gospel with the people in his church because they were all getting saved and leaving.

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… something was missing when I would attend mass. I guess it was God’s word.

I used to belong to an Evangelical Friends church, later a Pentecostal church.I have been to services in Baptist churches and read plenty of Baptist writing. I am a big reader and I read and believe the Bible. Now I am in RCIA and going to Mass. I definitely feel the Presence of God in Mass and plenty of reading, singing and discussion of Bible passages takes place in Mass and in class. All my new Catholic friends (and almost all my old Catholic friends) seem to me to understand the Gospel and accept it as truth, to love God and to love their neighbors, and live godly lives as far as I can see.

 

[war_eagle]

Catholics read more scripture in Mass than any Baptist church I attended.

I didn’t say that I didn’t hear a verse or two here or there. I said I didn’t hear the Gospel. Judging by all of the Roman Catholics who say they never heard it either, I’ve got to say that I’m not the only one.

I’m not sure what Baptist church you went to, but typically our hymns are taken directly from scripture, we have a scripture reading, and then we have about 45 minutes of expositional preaching, which is all scripture.

 

[montanaman]

At the bottom of the page in some threads, there is a little menu with links to other, similar threads. This one was one of them and looked interesting. I can’t help that this website’s software chose to include such an old thread in the menu.

OK, MONTANAman.

So far, it looks like you’re the only one with the chip on your shoulder.

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You guys really can’t comprehend how condescending you are, can you? You come in here and treat us as though we’ve never heard of the Bible or Jesus, and then wonder why you find prejudiced Catholics like me? Lol.

You bet I’ve got a chip on my shoulder. I’ve had to deal with anti-Catholic b.s. all my life. I should have realized decades ago that you can’t talk to people who refuse to listen, or, like my in-laws and their pastor, LIE about me. Or it’s even better when fundies who can’t fathom that Catholics may have a different way of saying things, and because we don’t conform to their sect’s one, single approved interpretation, then we “don’t know how to be saved.” Or, I love it when someone tells me that I “really” worship Mary, but I just don’t think I do.



Yeah, I need to work on my attitude, but like I just said in another thread, it’s just best that fundamentalists keep their lunacy far, far away from me, and I’ll keep uncomfortable questions away from them.

 

[war_eagle]

Yeah, I need to work on my attitude, but like I just said in another thread, it’s just best that fundamentalists keep their lunacy far, far away from me, and I’ll keep uncomfortable questions away from them.

Actually, you haven’t asked a question yet.

All you’ve done so far is to call me names and make dopey, false accusations against me.

 

[montanaman]

Actually, you haven’t asked a question yet.

All you’ve done so far is to call me names and make dopey, false accusations against me.

Sorry–I tend not to react well to passive aggression and ridiculous implications.

 

[Tonks40]

Sorry–I tend not to react well to passive aggression and ridiculous implications.

You’re not the only one

 

[dparker]

Actually, you haven’t asked a question yet.

All you’ve done so far is to call me names and make dopey, false accusations against me.

You are not getting off to a good start. If your agenda is to fight with Catholics and ignore charity, respect, and good manners…you won’t last long here.

 

[ralphinal]

You know, I;ve been Catholic my whole life. I’ve been to almost every kind of mass, with the exception of an ordination mass. I have heard the Gospel proclaimed at each and every one. I have never understood the charge that it is not there. I know that this is not the point of the thread, but I had to say it.

 

[war_eagle]

You are not getting off to a good start. If your agenda is to fight with Catholics and ignore charity, respect, and good manners…you won’t last long here.

Hey, this guy came out of the corner swinging at me. I didn’t do anything to him. He’s the one who chose to attack me, so back off.

I’ve been here less than a day and, already, I’ve been told that we’re lunatics, not a real part of the church, been called names, had false accusations made at me, nevertheless, I’ve been trying very hard to be polite.

I think you need to get your own house in order before you accuse somebody else of not showing charity, respect or good manners.

 

[pnewton]

I didn’t say that I didn’t hear a verse or two here or there. I said I didn’t hear the Gospel.

If by Gospel, you mean the Four Spiritual Laws, or Roman Road, then you are right. But then you won’t find that in the Bible in any coherent format like it is used today. If, however, by Gospel, you mean the message of Christ to repent for the kingdom of God is at hand, then that is the main message during both Advent and Lent.

 

[ralphinal]

Can we have some charity in here? Please, everyone return to civility

 

[pnewton]

Can we have some charity in here? Please, everyone return to civility

I post on a bible forum, so I have had the shoe on the other foot. Perhaps we need to remember to do unto others.

 

[war_eagle]

If by Gospel, you mean the Four Spiritual Laws, or Roman Road, then you are right. But then you won’t find that in the Bible in any coherent format like it is used today. If, however, by Gospel, you mean the message of Christ to repent for the kingdom of God is at hand, then that is the main message during both Advent and Lent.

I mean God’s plan of salvation.

I heard random verses here and there, I heard a lot of folksy stories about how to be a good person, but I didn’t have any more idea how to be saved than before I went in.

Judging from the Roman Catholics who say the same thing, I’m not alone.

 

[montanaman]

Hey, this guy came out of the corner swinging at me. I didn’t do anything to him. He’s the one who chose to attack me, so back off.

“What? Who? Me?”

I have to keep reminding myself that you really don’t know how condescending you guys sound. For example, when you write:

I can’t imagine praying to the dead would go over very well in a Baptist church.

it’s really a snide, passive-aggressive swipe at something you don’t even understand. If YOU want to believe that those who’ve passed on in Christ are dead and don’t care about us, fine. But WE believe that they’re alive in Christ.

But that’s hardly the point. I’ve seen it enough times–that kind of passive-aggressive comment is just like “I’ll pray that Jesus shows you the truth someday.”

This actually happens quite a bit. I have a copy of a letter that an evangelist friend sent me. A priest wrote to him to ask him to stop sharing the Gospel with the people in his church because they were all getting saved and leaving.

If anything, that priest meant “quit sharing your version of the Gospel” with people. I don’t have to be Kreskin to know that–I’m a Roman Catholic, and I’ve spent quite a lot of time learning what we believe over the last three decades. If there’s nothing else I’m sure of, it’s that the Catholic Church has been sharing the Gospel for millenia. The priest would NOT lament some missionary’s proclamation of the Gospel if indeed that’s actually what he was proclaiming.

In all likelihood, the missionary was luring people away with all kinds of false doctrines nicely packaged in zeal and, no doubt, promises of security and ease. In other words, the wide road.

So, please don’t pretend that you just innocently made some comments and came under “attack.” If our roles were reversed and this was CARM, you’d know what an attack was. Lol.

 

[ralphinal]

I mean God’s plan of salvation.

I heard random verses here and there, I heard a lot of folksy stories about how to be a good person, but I didn’t have any more idea how to be saved than before I went in.

Judging from the Roman Catholics who say the same thing, I’m not alone.

And how do Baptists define God’s plan of Salvation?

 

[Tonks40]

I mean God’s plan of salvation.

I heard random verses here and there, I heard a lot of folksy stories about how to be a good person, but I didn’t have any more idea how to be saved than before I went in.

For Catholics, the Mass isn’t just a one-time event where you show up at 10:30 am, sit for an hour, and behold! You’ve been told how to get to Heaven - it’s actually a lot more than that. We encounter Christ through the Eucharist - the re-representation of His Sacrifice on the Cross, the reminder to all of us that we are now a part of the New Covenant, and that as members of the Body of Christ, we should continue to live as such in our everyday lives.

Come back a couple more times - you might start to understand what we mean.