What about the wall? (Relevant Issues: Cont'd)

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The majority of people who die from drugs in this country die from opiods. Most of these drugs are sold legally in this country. They don’t come in from the border. They are manufacture by Big Pharma and sold in places like Tennessee, Kentucky, and Indiana.

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No, I speak for those of us who actually live along the border. Not those who reside in Houston and Dallas
Fine. You did say “We Texans”, one would generally think that means the whole state. My fault.
 
I was just wondering if anyone would care to comment on the relevance of it… Forsee and alternative solutions, etc…
I live in a border State. I’m hearing all the time in local News about huge drug seizures which are happening at legal ports of entry. I think, since most drugs come through legal points of entry, that we need to invest more money there so that more attention per vehicle can be made to stop even more drugs.

Since the majority of illegal immigration has been coming via airlines flying in people with Visas and then they overstay them, more money should be invested to track people here on Visas and monitor them to ensure they leave according to the time frame given on their Visas.

All the money being directed towards a Southern border Wall, isn’t being spent to help the 2 major ongoing problems - stopping illegal drug flow & stopping illegal immigration. It also doesn’t help with the newer problem, the humanitarian problem at the border, the dividing of families & losing children, keeping people in camps and under bridges, sex & physical abuse done to the separated children kept in warehouses and other facilities, leaving hundreds of people at bus stops every night at midnight in the cold, etc. all these humanitarian issues at the border. These real issues need to be properly funded and addressed, but the Wall doesn’t help and actually takes money away that could assist.
 
A wall is not cost effective. And it will not work.
If you want to argue about tactics that is fine. I support putting military on the border after we pull them out of most if not all their current European locations.

If you aren’t an open borders person you must have a plan to block the current illegal aliens.
 
the dividing of families & losing children, keeping people in camp
Those things can’t be helped. We have to put the illegal aliens somewhere. We certainly can’t just set them free. I would think it’s safer for kids to not be mixed with adults. In the end if the Illegal aliens did not come here none of the things you mentioned would be an issue in the US.
 
Losing children could have very easily been helped - hospitals put bracelets on babies/children & their parents to match them up. Simple.

Hiring people who physically abuse children is easily preventable. Immediately firing employees who are all on video dragging children by their hair, punching them & throwing them against walls is easy. But it’s not done unless someone leaks the footage to the press months after the fact, during which the abuses continued.

Keeping a known sex offender away from a six year girl old following his rape of her is easy, but wasn’t done so he continued raping & beating her After the first attack was made known. This literally happened in the town right next to mine after she’d been separated from family - my daughter was 6 yrs old when we learned of this. All heartbreaking & preventable.

It’s utterly disgusting that there are some people who claim to be Christians, even sitting in the pews on Sunday, who have an I don’t care attitude towards human beings based on their legal status in the U.S. And some who even Dare to Defend the mal-treatment of their fellow human beings. Completely Outrageous.
 
Unfortunately it hasn’t been completely built yet. I ask you, what about the wall around the Vatican? It seems to work well for the Pope, so why wouldn’t it work as well for us?
 
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Your comment indicates you’ve never been to the Vatican. My daughter has, everyone has free access to walk in & out of that little country, no real wall, it’s level with the sidewalk for easy access.
 
Opoids are the problem. Not heroin.
Heroin IS AN OPIOID, and street cheap.

For the addicted, their choice of synthetic opioid is fentanyl, and it didn’t come from a pharmacy. Most is again smuggled over the border, produced in China and not by our US big pharma.
 
My children, U.S. Born, whose father was born in Mexico, are told by other children the same things Trump announces in his speeches - you’re rapists, go back to Mexico, I don’t speak taco, get out of our country, you don’t belong here, etc.
This has never happened to anyone in my family. I am so sorry that is your experience and the experience of your children. If this happens in school, please make the teachers aware. I’m a teacher so I really would like to know if my students acted that way. If it happens outside of school, please take it up with their parents. As a mother I really REALLY would like to know if my children acted like that.

I hope you are able to find a way to overcome the bullies in your children’s lives. It is completely unacceptable. I do see what you mean about the rhetoric that gets thrown around and it honestly comes from both political sides. Children mimic what the see and hear. Adults should know better.
 
If this happens in school, please make the teachers aware. I’m a teacher so I really would like to know if my students acted that way.
Yes, the principal is aware of the situation. It’s not just the students, but one of the middle teachers and one of the VPs also vocally support Trump, his Wall & his racist rhetoric. The Principal wants my kids to stand up to each bully individually asking them to stop and will only intercede with harassment consequences as written in school handbook after repeated requests to stop. No blanket statements will be made against bullying based on politics or racism. Nothing would be done about the Middle School Teacher, who yells in class her support for it all, nor the VP. My kids know Jiu Jitsu & could fight to settle things, but they know better.
 
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Yes, the principal is aware of the situation. It’s not just the students, but one of the middle teachers and one of the VPs also vocally support Trump, his Wall & his racist rhetoric.
This would really tick me off. I too support the wall and Trump policy but it has no place to be expanded on with rhetoric in a school by the administration.
 
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This is so wrong. I teach kindergarten and am glad. Some things are easier with Littles. Is it possible to transfer schools? What you describe is simply wrong and cannot be excused. Teachers especially have no business, but I know that happens quite often.

The closest to this that has ever happened to my family was in one town we lived in over 25 years ago. No matter what we said or who we talked to they would say, “I don’t understand Spanish. You need to learn English.” Now, I grew up in the US and my English is perfect. My husband has an accent but he spoke English well even back then. It was humiliating but it really don’t go much further. Being grown adults it was uncomfortable. Can’t even imagine all that for kids.

We moved away from there. At first we didn’t want to. We were going to stick it out. We liked the area and we had good job opportunities. After a few months we realized it wasn’t a good place to raise a family around that. So we left.

Most of the last 25 years have been in military communities. All of these areas are very diverse and full of immigrants from every corner of the globe. We do at times run into racism but not to the degree I see online or in the news. We’ve been in the Ozarks for the last 10 years. Tiny town full of immigrants and minorities. People for the most part don’t have the problems we see on TV or in movies. I’m moving next month to join my husband. He has a new job near the border. I’m getting curious about what kinds of problems we will run into when we get there.
 
That said, the church’s role is very pro-immigration where I am here around DC
To start with, understand that the church has no position whatever on these matters. The proposals supported by particular priests and bishops are their own; their arguments stand or fall on their own merit and are not strengthened simply because they are made by clerics.
 
Opioids are being doled out by the bottle. These drugs are not brought across the border. They are manufactured by the big pharmacy companies in this country and prescribed by doctors. These are the drugs that are doing most of the damage in this country.They are addictive and are abused by those who take them.
Is anyone going after the big pharma companies and those who prescribe these pain pills???
 
I have lived in this part of Texas for all my life. The great majority of the people I know here feel as I do. But there are so many experts around the country who believe they know how to solve the problem.
This is not some political rhetoric. It is real life.
Building a wall? Good grief. You really thing that will stop people from entering this country, if they really want to enter?
Prohibition did not stop people from bringing alcohol into this country.
The so-called drug war is a joke. It has not deterred drugs from entering this country.
Easy solutions to complicated problems. Just say NO. 🤣😂
 
Is anyone going after the big pharma companies and those who prescribe these pain pills???
Again, Big Pharma isn’t selling illegal drugs, though they are guilty of encouraging over prescription in the past by doctors which did lead to addiction by many legit users.

In recent years the US has really curtailed over-prescription of pain killers, so much so that people who legitimately need the drug are often coming up short. It’s a good compromise IMHO given the past harms from over-prescription.

The broad addiction by street users is not being supplied by big pharma, they are buying illegal opioids that were smuggled into the US

This is a good article

 
To start with, understand that the church has no position whatever on these matters. The proposals supported by particular priests and bishops are their own; their arguments stand or fall on their own merit and are not strengthened simply because they are made by clerics.
That’s about how I see it.

The Church teaches us, in general, that we have to be compassionate.

I don’t believe it usually gets into specifics on issues like this.

The Church tells us we have to help the poor; it doesn’t say we have to give 10 percent, or 20 percent, or 50 percent of our income, or that we have to help this poor person instead of this one.

A Catholic could say, “I’m against the wall. I want these people to feel welcome. This is a land of plenty; we should be glad to give up some of what we have to help someone else.”

Or a Catholic could say, “I’m for the wall. The wall would more than pay for itself by what we’ll save on resources for illegal aliens, and we could use some of that to help our own poor, or older people, or veterans.”
Some rhetorical - I said rhetorical - questions for those who want this retired cancer patient on social security to pay those crossing the border more in benefits than I get: How many million more can we support? How many children must die of newly re-introduced childhood diseases? How many must die making the perilous journey? What happened to improving their home country, as governments past have promised? What is immoral about following the law - since these are economic “refugees”?
Perfect example of the type of choices we have to face, similar to the situation I posted about the other day about the older American who worked all his life and never getting freebies paying $800 per month out of pocket for meds.

Personally I’d rather help Americans than illegals, and I don’t think I’m a sinner for thinking that.
 
Honestly I don’t know how you can oppose drug or human trafficking and not support a border wall. You may as well argue we should tare down crossing points because apparently you don’t need to use them to enter the United States, for example, if it is perfectly moral and legitimate just to jump the border and enter however you want. I would honestly like to ask the American bishops and Pope Francis what they consider to be the reasonable expectations of host nations on people immigrating to their countries: is it or is it not a “free-for-all?” Near as I can tell Pope Francis and the USCCB are open border advocates and believe in amnesty for all and unlimited immigration. If they believe this is somehow part of the deposit of faith and binding Christian morality, then I think the laity - who are expected to make real the moral policy of the gospel in civil life - have the right to inquire as to what exactly would be a viable immigration and border policy in the light of the gospel.
 
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