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We sing Palestrina at our OF Mass. O Bone Jesu. One of my favsThis is why some of us are promoting the EF.
youtube.com/watch?v=jMyTLH5RKNc
(not our choir)
We sing Palestrina at our OF Mass. O Bone Jesu. One of my favsThis is why some of us are promoting the EF.
I’m jusy asking him to be specific if he can.He is saying that the Forms are not the same and this goes beyond mere superficialities. That is all.
For goodness sake!
Very cool.We sing Palestrina at our OF Mass. O Bone Jesu. One of my favs
youtube.com/watch?v=jMyTLH5RKNc
(not our choir)
He is saying that the Forms are not the same and this goes beyond mere superficialities. That is all.
Thank you both. :tiphat: You’ve got it in one.I think that you are reading too much into it. He said that they are different and that you cannot vest one form to make it look like the other form. I think that he is quite correct about that and I am quite sure that it is why we are going to have a new form sometime in the future. Would you say that a form of the Divine Liturgy is superior or inferior to the OF/EF or that they are just different and no matter what you cannot pass a DL as an OF or EF Mass.
I am still wondering, if the difference goes beyond the form, what are those differences?Thank you both. :tiphat: You’ve got it in one.![]()
Before we go further with this, we may need to review the guidelines on this type of discussion.I am still wondering, if the difference goes beyond the form, what are those differences?
exactlyBefore we go further with this, we may need to review the guidelines on this.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=488839
Definitely a good thing to promote.We sing Palestrina at our OF Mass. O Bone Jesu. One of my favs
youtube.com/watch?v=jMyTLH5RKNc
(not our choir)
Promote is what I do at work to make money. :hammering:Definitely a good thing to promote.
Sounds nice, but everyone promotes on some level. Church websites… promotion. Church bulletins… promotion. Announcements… promotion.Promote is what I do at work to make money. :hammering:
When we sing, I pray the Holy Spirit uses our prayer to open the ears and hearts of people at Mass and draws them back for more.![]()
this is a whole other discussion, I will just say I agree, sort of.Sounds nice, but everyone promotes on some level. Church websites… promotion. Church bulletins… promotion. Announcements… promotion.
Readings, proper prayers to a large extent, proper antiphons to a lesser extent, EF has few options while OF has an enormous amount, EF rubrics are quite minute and specific while OF rubrics are very general and non-specific*, language permissiveness, lots of ritual action in the EF with comparatively little in the OF, etc.I am still wondering, if the difference goes beyond the form, what are those differences?
The reason you never see a real discussion of the differences (i.e. beyond superficial things like Latin vs vernacular) is because it’s not allowed here. For real answers, look elsewhere. Read the Ottaviani Intervention, for example.I’m jusy asking him to be specific if he can.
I don’t want to take the thread off track, but I’d just like to briefly mention that a bit of caution should be attached to the recommendation of reading of the Ottaviani Intervention, as it was originally a letter written to the Pope which was organized by Archbishop Lefebvre. My understanding is that Cardinal Ottaviani later distanced himself from the letter. The letter has also been misused by some to promote a more extreme viewpoint, though I know that’s not your intenion here.The reason you never see a real discussion of the differences (i.e. beyond superficial things like Latin vs vernacular) is because it’s not allowed here. For real answers, look elsewhere. Read the Ottaviani Intervention, for example.
EDIT: back on topic, I also invite people when they visit my town, to come to Mass with us, and we provide them with a handmissal if they ask, or just explain how to participate in the EF Mass on the drive down, and let them absorb it.
The reason there is no real discussion is, there are no -subsantial- differences, just differences in form, which is why there is no reply to the rhetorical question I asked.The reason you never see a real discussion of the differences (i.e. beyond superficial things like Latin vs vernacular) is because it’s not allowed here. For real answers, look elsewhere. Read the Ottaviani Intervention, for example.
EDIT: back on topic, I also invite people when they visit my town, to come to Mass with us, and we provide them with a handmissal if they ask, or just explain how to participate in the EF Mass on the drive down, and let them absorb it.
Reportedly after the definition of the Mass was corrected to include the sacrificial aspects.My understanding is that Cardinal Ottaviani later distanced himself from the letter.