What are your ideas for the LGBT person's vocation in the Church?

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At this point, are you just trying to forge a comment?
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Not forge a comment, but rather get to one of the roots of the problem, which is the entrenching of the LGBTQQIAAx terminology into the Catholic Church. For one, it scandalizes the innocence of children. When people think of themselves in terms of sexual fetishes and then ask what vocation they fit in, how can a person successfully integrate into the fabric of the Church if they insist on labeling themselves “Pansexuals” of “Gay” or “Transexual” etc etc/

Drop the rainbows slogans—that’s the advice I heard one man with SSA give to others with SSA, after he found a woman he fell in love with and married. The self-identifiers as “I’m Gay” creates a mental block, that only ends up filtering the entire world through “gay-colored” glasses—glasses which the world has fashioned…
 
Typical people and most others on CAF know what LGBT+ refers to.

I don’t care what term you want to use. It doesn’t change the question of this thread, which you seem unable to address.
 
catholic1seeks said:
I don’t care what term you want to use. It doesn’t change the question of this thread, which you seem unable to address.
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Again, the problem is that you are looking at the through gay-colored glasses as long as you continue to use the LGBTQQx terminology for yourself and others. All you need to do is read the New Testament on how to deal with the cross, and what one’s vocation as a Christian is all about. No need for rainbow encroachment or entrenchment in one’s thinking…
 
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Pope Francis doesn’t seem to have a problem with using the word “gay.” Most people know that gay implies same-sex attraction. If I have to clarify to some people that, for me, it doesn’t mean active same-sex lifestyle, then so be it. I’ve clarified that enough for you and others on this thread already.
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Pope Francis doesn’t seem to have a problem with using the word “gay.” Most people know that gay implies same-sex attraction. If I have to clarify to some people that, for me, it doesn’t mean active same-sex lifestyle, then so be it. I’ve clarified that enough for you and others on this thread already.
 
Gab123 said:
who don’t want to marry the opposite sex, people who struggle with unnatural lustful inclinations?
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Because that’s just linguistically cumbersome… yay for abbreviations! Hence people will use SSA/LGB. Again, stop with the political correctness. You know what we mean. Wet know what you mean. Let’s get back on topic.
 
It would be nice to have a religious order for these people. Maybe a tertiary community or a confraternity because those groups might have enough a communal life as a start.
 
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I don’t use the string of letters. It’s plain annoying. I have zero interest in trying to keep up with all the silly, made up new gender terms, too.
 
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I know right I am pretty sure the Q is already covered by a previous letter so
i am getting confused.
 
There is no “Anglican Church.” There are many Anglican churches. There is also the Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter, aka the “Anglican Ordinariate.” They are fully Roman Catholic.
 
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catholic1seeks said:
Pope Francis doesn’t seem to have a problem with using the word “gay.” Most people know that gay implies same-sex attraction. If I have to clarify to some people that, for me, it doesn’t mean active same-sex lifestyle, then so be it. I’ve clarified that enough for you and others on this thread already.
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Again, whether the pope used the word in an interview is irrelevant; the issue is labeling and identifying one’s self as “gay” in a culture that celebrates, encourages and promotes the normalcy of the gay lifestyle, while targeting the Catholic Church with subversion from within.

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not one of the LGBTQx Catholics in the Church who mask their real intentions, being that there are many who have been encouraged to be active in the Church as self-identifying “Gay” Catholics in order to gradually change Church-member attitude by simply being present as a “Gay Catholic” presenting a baby-step approach to dialogue about the same-sex issue with the average Catholic in order to sow the seeds of change in the minds of the faithful.

One thing that set off a red flag was that earlier you praised Fr James Martin’s book Building Bridges. I personally find Fr. Martin funny and articulate, but if you listen to him carefully, he is one of the proponents of the gradualism targeting the Church, the goal being to normalize LGBTQx inside the Church so that “Gay marriage” becomes as common as the practice of artificial contraception, with the aim of making Church teaching on sexuality irrelevant in the lives of the average Catholic . His aim being an eventual change in Church teaching by dividing Catholics and taking over the visible facade of the institutional Church, and marginalizing the “homophobic” members and teachings of the Church to the point that dissapproving of gay marriage will be seen as the new racism. Here he is being interviewed by a gay Catholic who is going to marry his boyfriend, which Fr. Martin has no problem with whatsoever. No mention of sin, no concern for the man’s soul, no exhorting to live by Church teaching…just a solid confirmation of this man’s sin and encouraging him to actively promote gay marriage within the Church. It’s an hour long, but it exposes Martin as a compassionate wolf in sheep’s clothing:
http://theologyindialogue.org/building-bridges-with-james-martin/
 
SacredHeartBassist said:
There is a single life vocation. Vocation is just whatever you’re called to do
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In a loose sense of the word, yes. But generally, when speaking in terms of “vocation” in the Church, people are referring to “vowed” vocations. You can’t be “called” to single life as you are already in that state of life.

In terms of" LGBT" individuals, I don’t really think there is a “special” place in the Church specifically for them. I mean, all this talk about a special welcome for gay people distracts from the fact that EVERYONE is always welcome in the Church. Most of us don’t have special roles. I know at least one gay Catholic who actually agrees with me on this point. He just goes to mass and does the normal Catholic stuff.
Sure, there should be groups to offer support in the struggle of living Catholic life, but I think there are already groups for men and women within the Church that offer that.
 
In terms of" LGBT" individuals, I don’t really think there is a “special” place in the Church specifically for them. I mean, all this talk about a special welcome for gay people distracts from the fact that EVERYONE is always welcome in the Church. Most of us don’t have special roles.
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Then I think you misunderstand this thread.

It’s not about “special roles.” See previous posts of mine.
 
Rather, you should say, an abomination in the eyes of God and a Satanic deception
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Then to be consistent, let’s call all sins that same definition. For now, when you refer to rage, pride, stealing, or gossip, or cohabitation, I want you to be very clear. Don’t say it’s disapproved by the Church. Don’t say it’s contrary to the Gospel. Say it’s “an abomination in the eyes of God and a Satanic deception.”
 
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I want to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not one of the LGBTQx Catholics in the Church who mask their real intentions,
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Oh gee! Thank you! So kind!!!
 
One thing that set off a red flag was that earlier you praised Fr James Martin’s book Building Bridges. I personally find Fr. Martin funny and articulate, but if you listen to him carefully, he is one of the proponents of the gradualism targeting the Church, the goal being to normalize LGBTQx inside the Church so that “Gay marriage” becomes as common as the practice of artificial contraception, with the aim of making Church teaching on sexuality irrelevant in the lives of the average Catholic . His aim being an eventual change in Church teaching by dividing Catholics and taking over the visible facade of the institutional Church, and marginalizing the “homophobic” members and teachings of the Church to the point that dissapproving of gay marriage will be seen as the new racism. Here he is being interviewed by a gay Catholic who is going to marry his boyfriend, which Fr. Martin has no problem with whatsoever. No mention of sin, no concern for the man’s soul, no exhorting to live by Church teaching…just a solid confirmation of this man’s sin and encouraging him to actively promote gay marriage within the Church. It’s an hour long, but it exposes Martin as a compassionate wolf in sheep’s clothing:
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Frankly, I don’t care what you think about Fr James Martin.

Even IF some of his tactics are misguided (which I do NOT think they are – again, READ his book), at the very least, he is reaching out to a community who otherwise would have nothing to do with the Catholic Church.

Many people remain in the Church because of priests and Catholics like him, who are at least willing to lend an open ear to those struggling on the margins. Perhaps if HE was on this thread, he’d actually be able to answer the question, unlike some other people on here who don’t want to consider the real experiences and challenges by gay/SSA people in the church.
 
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Then to be consistent, let’s call all sins that same definition. For now, when you refer to rage, pride, stealing, or gossip, or cohabitation, I want you to be very clear . Don’t say it’s disapproved by the Church. Don’t say it’s contrary to the Gospel. Say it’s “ an abomination in the eyes of God and a Satanic deception .”
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Understand that Homosexual activity is one of the “four sins crying for vengeance from heaven”, along with murder, oppressing widows and orphans, and defrauding workers from the wages due for their toil. So to simply say that the Church “disapproves of gay marriage“ uses wordolay to downplay the evil involved, kind of like saying the Church frowns upon murder. Abomination is the word used by Scripture when it condemns homosexual behavior. So let’s not minimize the evil. Instead expose it for what it is…
 
catholic1seeks said:
Even IF some of his tactics are misguided (which I do NOT think they are – again, READ his book), at the very least, he is reaching out to a community who otherwise would have nothing to do with the Catholic Church.
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Nonsense. You obviously did not listen to the interview he gave. Go back and listen to it. Confirming someone in mortal sin, encouraging actively gay couples to come to Church to gradually work for changing Church teaching on gay marriage is not something coming from the Holy Spirit…
catholic1seeks said:
Many people remain in the Church because of priests and Catholics like him, who are at least willing to lend an open ear to those struggling on the margins
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It is well known that many LGBTQx members in the Church stay in the Church with the intention of not staying to be transformed and sanctified, but with the agenda of stying to gradually changing opinions and dividing the faithful on the issue . Listen to the interview; they say it plainly.
 
(1) “four sins crying for vengeance from heaven” is a catechetical tradition, not a doctrine or Scriptural reference.

(2) “Abomination” is also used for unclean food. See Leviticus 11.

(3) You don’t seem to have a pastoral understanding. At all. If a penitent comes to his confessor and confesses a grave sin, say masturbation, the priest is not going to stop there and judge that this person is full of malice, hatred of God, and willingly and fully chose to disobey God’s law. No, the priest is going to consider the person’s maturity, psychological issues like addiction, his social and other pressures, his age, mental health, and so on.

So it may be nice and neat in your universe to call gay people participating in “abominations.” But in the real world, in the world of pastoral care, that’s not the only step. It’s not even the first step. If we go by Jesus’ model, the first step is care and compassion – not the mere precept of the law.
 
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