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RhodesianSon
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We should have rearmed the wehrmacht and invaded Russia immediately after too.
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Annie
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Sorry, I think this is too simplistic. It makes it seem like working class people for no reason whatsoever suddenly went off the rails.
Maybe it’s like racism: maybe people of the working class got tired of being looked down on, stereotyped, and made fun of.
There was a lot more rioting done on the left by people who weren’t working class, and then you had the violence perpetrated by the Weathermen and others on the left.
Maybe it’s like racism: maybe people of the working class got tired of being looked down on, stereotyped, and made fun of.
There was a lot more rioting done on the left by people who weren’t working class, and then you had the violence perpetrated by the Weathermen and others on the left.
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I have no doubt that working-class White Northerners switched from pseudo-liberal Democrats to conservative Republicans beginning in the late 1960’s, primarily being affected by the race riots of that era, the Chicago Democratic convention violence, and Nixon’s promise of law and order. This change of allegiance, however, was fueled by inherent racist, sexist, and homophobic attitudes of Northerners.
The Solid South also changed from Democrat to conservative Republican, but the difference is Southerners made no pretense of being liberal as did White Northerners. These Southerners were the Democratic Dixiecrats, who would never pay homage to the Republican party of Lincoln, not until that party itself shifted under the influence of the Nixonian “silent majority” and later the Reagan “moral majority.”
So, as I see it, the tide was turning in the country beginning in that tumultuous decade of the '60s for both North and South.
The Solid South also changed from Democrat to conservative Republican, but the difference is Southerners made no pretense of being liberal as did White Northerners. These Southerners were the Democratic Dixiecrats, who would never pay homage to the Republican party of Lincoln, not until that party itself shifted under the influence of the Nixonian “silent majority” and later the Reagan “moral majority.”
So, as I see it, the tide was turning in the country beginning in that tumultuous decade of the '60s for both North and South.
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RhodesianSon
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It’s almost like the majority of Americans didn’t want what the democrats had to offer. Isn’t that how democracy works?
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meltzerboy2
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Unfortunately, you may be right. The majority of White Americans were, and still are, quite comfortable the way things are or used to be. The majority of them do not obsess about those who are discriminated against; they pay some attention when inequities are pointed out to them, but that’s about it. There are of course some exceptions. I wouldn’t frame the discussion in terms of Democrat vs. Republican, however; rather, leftist vs. conservative. Most people in this country are conservative, whether they happen to be Democrat or Republican.
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RhodesianSon
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Which begs the question, does the majority rule or not?
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meltzerboy2
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Again, unfortunately that is the case. The thing about majority rule is that if the majority is complacent or even unethical, they still rule. This applies as well to laws that conservatives dislike.
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Nepperhan
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No it had been building up in the sixties – well-known white backlash to black protests and gains. Plus, the anti-war protesters were seen as children of the elite and not connected with lower-income whites.Sorry, I think this is too simplistic. It makes it seem like working class people for no reason whatsoever suddenly went off the rails.
So, there was a lot of finger-pointing about whites becoming victims, things not being the way they were and folks not like us taking our stuff. If you look at it closely you can see how it directly led to the assemblage of folks who put Trump in the White House.
People should read the book review closely because the author is a Vietnam veteran. There are many atrocities that have been committed by people who call themselves communists. The revolution in Vietnam was against colonialism and the US should have stayed out of it after Dien Bien Phu.
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Zzyzx_Road
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I always thought it was funny to see the Democrats claim to represent the working class when they were just as complicit as the Republicans in allowing those working class jobs to be migrated to China and other developing countries. As well as allowing immigrants to come in sufficient volume to displace more of the working classes here in the US.
The majority of the American people have always been against the nearly uncontrolled immigration that has taken place since the 1980’s. They’re not against immigration per se, they just want stronger limits than we’ve had for a long time.
The majority of the American people have always been against the nearly uncontrolled immigration that has taken place since the 1980’s. They’re not against immigration per se, they just want stronger limits than we’ve had for a long time.
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Nepperhan
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I’m not sure immigrants take blue collar jobs. They work in the meat packing plants, chicken factories and in lawn care. Anti-immigrant sentiment is well-settled in America as a component of anti-Catholicism.As well as allowing immigrants to come in sufficient volume to displace more of the working classes here in the US.
The majority of the American people have always been against the nearly uncontrolled immigration that has taken place since the 1980’s. They’re not against immigration per se, they just want stronger limits than we’ve had for a long time.
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Annie
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Around here, construction crews are often 100% Spanish-speaking, to the extent that people who do not speak Spanish are not hired.I’m not sure immigrants take blue collar jobs. They work in the meat packing plants, chicken factories and in lawn care. Anti-immigrant sentiment is well-settled in America as a component of anti-Catholicism.
And I have never heard anti-Catholicism linked with anti-immigration. Protestants welcome Catholic immigrants because they have more people to evangelize and no one else cares about religion. I know that link existed in the past, but that was a far-off past.
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Nepperhan
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My word! That is settled in US history. When the last major immigration bill was passed in the 1920s, it was aimed at Italians!And I have never heard anti-Catholicism linked with anti-immigration.
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Annie
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Read the rest of my comment.
And I have never heard anti-Catholicism linked with anti-immigration. Protestants welcome Catholic immigrants because they have more people to evangelize and no one else cares about religion. I know that link existed in the past, but that was a far-off past.
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Zzyzx_Road
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Neither of you touched on the migration of manufacturing and IT jobs offshore.
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Annie
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What does his being a Viet Nam veteran have to do with it?People should read the book review closely because the author is a Vietnam veteran.
Since i couldn’t read the original review you linked to, I read another, which says:So, there was a lot of finger-pointing about whites becoming victims, things not being the way they were and folks not like us taking our stuff.
Sure, some blue-collar people were racist, but there is also the fact that blue collar people worked really hard to get to where they were, and seeing others “take their stuff” to give to people who had not worked for it would have riled them no matter what the color of those people’s skins were.Just after the 2016 election, he wrote a New York Times op-ed headlined “Sorry Liberals, Bigotry Did Not Elect Donald Trump.” Now he has synthesized his message with a lesson from history: “The Hardhat Riot,” a riveting account of the May 1970 explosion of New York’s blue-collar workers who confronted an antiwar rally designed to shut down Wall Street after President Nixon sent American troops into Cambodia.
Blue-collar people do not have the kinds of resources that allow them to make light of their work. Their jobs are their mainstays because they don’t have anything to fall back on.
And yes, the group moving in was black, and therefore a group of people who had had less than the blue-collar workers, who had not had the benefits the blue collar workers had had from the GI Bill.
But what the blue collar workers saw was that black people were being helped on their backs, by decisions made by people who weren’t affected by those decisions and who, to add insult to injury, often looked down on the workers to boot.
This is a much more complicated situation than you seem to be aware of. Blue collar workers were negatively affected by decisions other than their own, and black people were also negatively affected by decisions other than their own.
Perhaps the thing to do is to consider the decision-makers rather than their victims.
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PaulinVA
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Dien Ben PhuIt was also unnecessary, avoidable, and botched.
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Cruciferi
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Talk about underestimating your enemy…
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Nepperhan
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Ah, but those blue collar workers were far easier on the decision-makers than those people they saw who were receiving some semblance of equal treatment. Do you know when some NYC craft unions stopped limiting membership to those related by race to former members? It was like the southern state voting requirement that a person’s grandparent had voted and it did not end until the late seventies.But what the blue collar workers saw was that black people were being helped on their backs, by decisions made by people who weren’t affected by those decisions and who, to add insult to injury, often looked down on the workers to boot.
The rioters were counter-demonstrators to the Vietnam war protesters. A veterans viewpoint is appropriate and telling.What does his being a Viet Nam veteran have to do with it?
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Annie
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Yeah, funny how Ivy League law school grads can out-maneuver people with less money and less education.
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Nepperhan
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Sure! It was considered odd, nasty and probably corruption when the Obamas did it (and then paid off their school loans).Yeah, funny how Ivy League law school grads can out-maneuver people with less money and less education.
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