What Can Be Done About Masses That Just Ain't Right? Who Can We Turn To? Or Should We Just Grin & Bear It?

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With all the liturgical abuse that exists and other atrocities such as the “gay Mass”, I’m not sure I understand why nothing is done.

I must be missing a chain in the hierarchy.

Whose job is it to police the priests? Is it the Bishops? Who polices the Bishops and who polices the Cardinals?

Is nothing being done because the Catholic Church is becoming more liberal and liberalism has reached the highest echelons?

What recourse do laity have when it comes to reporting abuses? I’ve heard some people say it isn’t our job to police priests. That we should just focus on the mass.

Should we then just grin and bear it like this? 😃

What recourses do we have, as laity? What is our business and what is not?
 
Well, we can respectfully take it up with the priest involved or with the pastor of the parish. The next, and usually final, step is to take it to the bishop. He is the one responsible for dealing with abuses.

That said, I’ve been a Catholic for over 60 years and I’ve encountered very few serious abuses at Mass except during the period of experimentation in the '70’s. I’ve seen people holding hands during the Our Father or children called up to stand near the altar, things like that. You can talk to the priest about it but you might as well save your energy for more serious matters. But really, I’ve never seen a ‘clown Mass’ or one that celebrates the homosexual lifestyle. These would be what I’d term atrocities and, as I said, take those to the bishop.

IMHO we should concentrate on our relationship with God and on our own participation at Mass. Once that is strong we can lean on the Holy Spirit’s guidance on how to deal prudently with things that disturb our peace of mind.
 
Claire_from_DE said:
those to the bishop.

IMHO we should concentrate on our relationship with God and on our own participation at Mass. Once that is strong we can lean on the Holy Spirit’s guidance on how to deal prudently with things that disturb our peace of mind.
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Okay. What if the abuse is not taking place in our own parish, but maybe in a diocese. Is it our duty to contact the proper authorities? Kind of like how certain professions are obligated to report abuses.

I guess I’m wondering if Orthodox Bishops and Cardinals are just not aware?
 
It is now our turn! It has been almost 50 years since Vatican II. It is time for the nonsense to stop. Here is how to get started.

Be civil first of all. Start collecting references such as the GIRM, Redemptionis Sacramentum, etc. These state changes to the mass are not allowed.

Once you find an infraction at your parish, kindly remind the pastor what is proper. You will get rebuffed. No matter. It just gets better from here.

Write a gentle e-mail to the pastor citing the infraction and the church document (section and article) that has been violated. Attach a hyperlink if you can. … You will be rebuffed and delayed again. No matter.

Send the response, or forward your original message to the bishop. If no response comes, send it to the Vatican (get the e-mail for Congregation for Divine Worship). For mishandling the eucharist, such as pouring the Blood of Christ down the Sacrarium after mass, send notice to the Congregation for The Doctrine of The Faith.

It may take a while to get a response but it is nice to fill the personnel file of these priests with proof of what is really going on. Our great pope is taking this abuse seriously. Over time, good priests will be elevated.

Keep records, band together with fellow witnesses, and start fighting back!

Our pope recently stated, every catholic has a right to a proper mass.
 
For example: This is not my parish and I’m sure we’ve all seen this 2008 video.

What options are there for people to report this type of mass?

youtube.com/watch?v=rh_nqtp3VrU

Or would it be all for naught? Maybe this is just the direction we are moving in?
 
Samuel63 said:
It is now our turn! It has been almost 50 years since Vatican II. It is time for the nonsense to stop. Here is how to get started.

Be civil first of all. Start collecting references such as the GIRM, Redemptionis Sacramentum, etc. These state changes to the mass are not allowed.

Once you find an infraction at your parish, kindly remind the pastor what is proper. You will get rebuffed. No matter. It just gets better from here.

Write a gentle e-mail to the pastor citing the infraction and the church document (section and article) that has been violated. Attach a hyperlink if you can. … You will be rebuffed and delayed again. No matter.

Send the response, or forward your original message to the bishop. If no response comes, send it to the Vatican (get the e-mail for Congregation for Divine Worship). For mishandling the eucharist, such as pouring the Blood of Christ down the Sacrarium after mass, send notice to the Congregation for The Doctrine of The Faith.

It may take a while to get a response but it is nice to fill the personnel file of these priests with proof of what is really going on. Our great pope is taking this abuse seriously. Over time, good priests will be elevated.

Keep records, band together with fellow witnesses, and start fighting back!

Our pope recently stated, every catholic has a right to a proper mass.
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Have you found it necessary to do this often?

Do you usually have to go to a level higher than the bishop?

Do you usually receive a response from anyone?

Have you ever received a positive response (meaning that the abuse is corrected) and from what level did the response come? I ask this because something like pouring the Precious Blood down the sacrarium would be an oversight that the pastor should immediately put a stop to when it was pointed out to him and it shouldn’t be necessary to go higher.

I find that a respectful and well written letter is more effective than an email which can be easily sent and just as easily deleted.

In your own parish, is the Mass celebrated correctly and reverently?
 
Claire_from_DE said:
Have you found it necessary to do this often?

Do you usually have to go to a level higher than the bishop?

Do you usually receive a response from anyone?

Have you ever received a positive response (meaning that the abuse is corrected) and from what level did the response come? I ask this because something like pouring the Precious Blood down the sacrarium would be an oversight that the pastor should immediately put a stop to when it was pointed out to him and it shouldn’t be necessary to go higher.

I find that a respectful and well written letter is more effective than an email which can be easily sent and just as easily deleted.

In your own parish, is the Mass celebrated correctly and reverently?
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These are excellent questions.
 
Who can we turn to?
You should start by talking calmly to the priest involved. If this has no effect, you can go up the chain of command, Next write to the bishop. If you do this it would be best if you provide evidence for what you say, as a parish bulletin. If this proves useless, you can write to the Vatican. The Vatican insists that laypeople have a perfect right to write to them about such abuses. They are particularly likely to act if they hear from other people too. so your letter may have an effect but not immediately. If you write to the Vatican, you should include copies of any earlier correspondence.
 
First off,
How do these Woo-Woo heretics, disguised as priests get accepted into the priesthood to begin with , to allow such horrifics to take place? Where is their bishop through all of this?
Is he truly un-aware that this is going on? Perhaps the bishop needs catachesis.
 
TrueLight said:
Okay. What if the abuse is not taking place in our own parish, but maybe in a diocese. Is it our duty to contact the proper authorities? Kind of like how certain professions are obligated to report abuses.

I guess I’m wondering if Orthodox Bishops and Cardinals are just not aware?
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I guess if it’s throughout the diocese one should assume, in charity, that the bishop isn’t aware and should inform him. At least you would know you took some action.

There have been some instances in my parish that I complained about to my spiritual director who looked into them and found out that some were things that were permitted or were left to the judgement of the celebrant. I was glad to find that out because I don’t want to think my pastor is intentionally doing something wrong and I sure don’t want to call him on something that’s permitted.
 
Simmonds said:
First off,
Where is their bishop through all of this?
Is he truly un-aware that this is going on? Perhaps the bishop needs catachesis.
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This is seriously what I’m wondering. The scary thought is that the Bishop is very aware and either doesn’t care or believes all is fine in the spirit of attracting more people to the mass and letting them feel comfortable.
 
TrueLight said:
For example: This is not my parish and I’m sure we’ve all seen this 2008 video.

What options are there for people to report this type of mass?

youtube.com/watch?v=rh_nqtp3VrU

Or would it be all for naught? Maybe this is just the direction we are moving in?
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Trust me, that is NOT the direction we are moving. The Gates of Hell will not prevail!

That was a “Mass” at a Call to Action conference. The presider was former bishop, Remi De Roo. If I’m correct, he’s one of the only English-speaking bishops left who was at the Vatican II Council. He supports wymnynprysts, married priests, and a whole host of other non-Catholic teachings, and caused the Diocese of Victoria BC to go bankrupt. He paid my church a “surprise visit” at the earlier Mass last Sunday according to my priest and complemented him on how well our parish was “celebrating the Spirit of Vatican II.” :rolleyes:
 
Claire_from_DE said:
except during the period of experimentation in the '70’s. I’ve seen people holding hands during the Our Father or children called up to stand near the altar, things like that.
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What happened in the 70s? Whats wrong with holding hands during the Our Father? What do you mean children called to stand up by the altar?
 
Love_Divine said:
It’s a Happy Joyous Mass!!

No, there was a Mass in Boston that celebrated homosexuality.

If you sign up for a free account at www.realcatholictv.com (it doesn’t take long), you can watch the Vortex video there.
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Isnt this against everything we are taught about homosexuality? Being gay is not a sin but acting on it is meaning the “gay lifestyle” would be immoral and against the church and the bible?
 
Iamacatholic77 said:
Isnt this against everything we are taught about homosexuality? Being gay is not a sin but acting on it is meaning the “gay lifestyle” would be immoral and against the church and the bible?
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That’s what I’m saying. How is a mass, that is flagrantly wrong, allowed? Would it be helpful for as many as possible to write to the Bishop or as another poster posted, the
Congregation for Divine Worship. Would a deluge of letters make a difference?
 
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