What Can Be Done About Masses That Just Ain't Right? Who Can We Turn To? Or Should We Just Grin & Bear It?

[Jack_Bauer]

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npatrol:
I’m gong to be keeping an eye on you now.

 

[Samuel63]

Have you found it necessary to do this often?

Do you usually have to go to a level higher than the bishop?

Do you usually receive a response from anyone?

Have you ever received a positive response (meaning that the abuse is corrected) and from what level did the response come? I ask this because something like pouring the Precious Blood down the sacrarium would be an oversight that the pastor should immediately put a stop to when it was pointed out to him and it shouldn’t be necessary to go higher.

I find that a respectful and well written letter is more effective than an email which can be easily sent and just as easily deleted.

In your own parish, is the Mass celebrated correctly and reverently?

I write about once per month. I could write about liturgical abuse to our parish leadership at this frequency for another few years. That is the plan in fact.

Regarding pouring the Blood of Christ down the Sacrarium, this was taught by the pastor. You in fact would be shocked if you knew what was going on at this parish.

A respectful well written letter sounds nice but that is a little passe for today. The same effect is generated with e-mail and I do get responses.

 

[paperwight66]

Regarding pouring the Blood of Christ down the Sacrarium, this was taught by the pastor. You in fact would be shocked if you knew what was going on at this parish.
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Just a thought - was the Precious Blood extremely diluted before being poured down the sacrarium? This would lessen the offence, I’d have thought. And at least it was down the sacrarium, not the ordinary sink.

I’m not saying it should have been done, but that perhaps the pastor thought it was allowed, as it is when contaminated by vomit, for example, or a fly getting in it. Perhaps he thought there was a general principle. - dilution plus sacrarium = allowed.

How often did it happen, by the way? And were there mitigating circumstances, in fact, like the vomit mentioned earlier, so not happening as a routine as implied?

 

[Love_Divine]

Just a thought - was the Precious Blood extremely diluted before being poured down the sacrarium? This would lessen the offence, I’d have thought. And at least it was down the sacrarium, not the ordinary sink.

I’m not saying it should have been done, but that perhaps the pastor thought it was allowed, as it is when contaminated by vomit, for example, or a fly getting in it. Perhaps he thought there was a general principle. - dilution plus sacrarium = allowed.

How often did it happen, by the way? And were there mitigating circumstances, in fact, like the vomit mentioned earlier, so not happening as a routine as implied?

I thought in cases of insects in the precious blood you’re supposed to consume, or fish it out with your maniple pin and then burn it and flush the ashes down the sacrum

 

[pnewton]

I think the answer to the OP question is that there are specific procedures in place for reporting abuses that we encounter, We basically follow chain of command from the bishop to the papal nuncio. The thing is, it only applies to abuses of the liturgy, something done that is illicit, not things we do not like. The political concept of “liberal” is irrelevant to liturgical abuse and Catholicism. If one witnesses something that is illicit, it may be reported. If the act continues, it can be reported at higher levels. Witnessing an abuse is not the same as seeing it on YouTube or Vortex, btw. I will not investigate or challenge the legitimacy of these alleged abuses any more. In the early age of CAF, these videos and pictures were common, gleaned from traditional websites. All the ones I went to the trouble of chasing down the actual original source turned out to be; a schismatic group, a non-Catholic service, or some meeting other than a Mass. I gave up trusting YouTube as a source and will only rely on what I witness when I actually know the context.

 

[Samuel63]

Just a thought - was the Precious Blood extremely diluted before being poured down the sacrarium? This would lessen the offence, I’d have thought. And at least it was down the sacrarium, not the ordinary sink.

I’m not saying it should have been done, but that perhaps the pastor thought it was allowed, as it is when contaminated by vomit, for example, or a fly getting in it. Perhaps he thought there was a general principle. - dilution plus sacrarium = allowed.

How often did it happen, by the way? And were there mitigating circumstances, in fact, like the vomit mentioned earlier, so not happening as a routine as implied?

The Precious Blood was not diluted at all. The pastor taught Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion to pour leftover Blood of Christ down the sacrarium after mass. He even stated a signed letter from the bishop gave him approval to do this.

I asked for a copy of the letter but somehow it could not be found. I referred the priest and leaders to Redemptionis Sacramentum, paragraph 170 and still nothing happened. I wrote to the Congregation for The Doctrine of The Faith at the Vatican. Changes started happening then. It took four years to get this practice changed.

I am almost convinced the priest was [edited]. His homolies were incredible.

 

[TheMc]

The Precious Blood was not diluted at all. The pastor taught Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion to pour leftover Blood of Christ down the sacrarium after mass. He even stated a signed letter from the bishop gave him approval to do this.

I asked for a copy of the letter but somehow it could not be found. I referred the priest and leaders to Redemptionis Sacramentum, paragraph 170 and still nothing happened. I wrote to the Congregation for The Doctrine of The Faith at the Vatican. Changes started happening then. It took four years to get this practice changed.

I am almost convinced the priest was [edited]. His homolies were incredible.

and you have written a letter to the bishop. Right?

If not, YOU NEED TO. You have an obligation to do so.