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Magnum_V8
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Regularly, it seems, we (exclusive of me) clap for the choir, special announcements and other such things. Our priest seems to have no problem with it.
Well, a few weeks back, we had a visiting priest from the diocese for 2 consecutive weeks. The second week, after the final blessing, the choir director announced how appreciative we were for the priest filling in, inviting him back any time. Well, the people started clapping and the priest immediately interrupted saying āthank you, it was a real pleasure to be here with you.ā He obviously was not appreciative of the clapping.
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Joannm
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would you include the applause that is in the ordination rite?
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Magnum_V8
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AMDGJMJ2
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A.C.J. ICXC A.M.D.G. MPOV A.C.M.
I think that if I could make a change to the Novus Ordoā¦Everyone in the Novus Ordo would hate meā¦
Anyhowā¦I would change everything back to the Traditions of the Church, that is, since it seems from this blog that the Novus Ordo is in such a bad stateā¦I would follow Saint Jeromeās words:
āThe best advice I can give you is this, Church traditions-especially when they do not run counter to the Faith-are to be observed in the form in which previous generations have handed them down.ā
Yours in Christ through Mary,
AMDGJMJ2
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I think that if I could make a change to the Novus Ordoā¦Everyone in the Novus Ordo would hate meā¦
Anyhowā¦I would change everything back to the Traditions of the Church, that is, since it seems from this blog that the Novus Ordo is in such a bad stateā¦I would follow Saint Jeromeās words:
āThe best advice I can give you is this, Church traditions-especially when they do not run counter to the Faith-are to be observed in the form in which previous generations have handed them down.ā
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In other words...I also would go back to the Tridintine...May God's Will be done in all things, and to Him be all the glory.AMDGJMJ2
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johnstown_johnn
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Some orders of nuns take a vow of āSilence.ā When they attend Mass they do respond in voice as a congregation participationā¦but they do it s-o-f-t-l-y.
When the Eucharist is present in the church (and it always is -ā¦in the tabernacle) we genuflect in silence.
Silence is a virtue and earns graces incalculably. The Church is Jesusā House and even HE does not invite APPLAUSE when we read His words in the Gospels.
If we do not applaud the GOSPELS why do we applaud some announcement ? Does the "announcement or the music TRANSCEND the Gospel?
Silence throughout the Mass from beginning to end is a great show of respect and acknowledgement of HIS PRESENCE.
When the Eucharist is present in the church (and it always is -ā¦in the tabernacle) we genuflect in silence.
Silence is a virtue and earns graces incalculably. The Church is Jesusā House and even HE does not invite APPLAUSE when we read His words in the Gospels.
If we do not applaud the GOSPELS why do we applaud some announcement ? Does the "announcement or the music TRANSCEND the Gospel?
Silence throughout the Mass from beginning to end is a great show of respect and acknowledgement of HIS PRESENCE.
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PatienceAndLove
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I_Believe
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Pretty much sums it up IMO.
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johnstown_johnn
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I think the Tridentine Mass will be a kind of ātravelling Mass.ā Kind of like the catacombs. It will, in many cases, be said in homes of the faithful.
Many bishops oppose the Tridentine Mass and discourage it with all the means they have.
The Mass will be known where and when by word of mouth.
That is my projection of the shape of things to come.
Many bishops oppose the Tridentine Mass and discourage it with all the means they have.
The Mass will be known where and when by word of mouth.
That is my projection of the shape of things to come.
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johnstown_johnn
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Another change I would like to see in the Novus Ordo (I attend this Mass because the diocese is adverse to the Latin Mass) is fewer people at the altar. It gets very crowded with all the surplus Eucharistic Ministers and they are practically tripping over themselves, including the celebrant.
If it wasnāt so outrageousāit would be comical.
Eucharistic Ministers should remain in their pews until it is time for them to do their assignmentāthey are a crowd at the altar during the Consecration. There is no real decorum in the sacrifice of the Mass these days.
If it wasnāt so outrageousāit would be comical.
Eucharistic Ministers should remain in their pews until it is time for them to do their assignmentāthey are a crowd at the altar during the Consecration. There is no real decorum in the sacrifice of the Mass these days.
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ravenonthecross
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Hereās what I think! Also, for the English a reverent Elizabethan style of Hieratic English would be sufficient for the Vernacular Translation.coreyzelinski.8m.com/1965_Mass/
Please read the link above, thank you!
Iāve heard alot of folks complain equally about both forms of the Holy Mass. Both the Novus Ordo and the Tridentine masses, each have their own unique benefits, Why not combine the best of both worlds with Ad Orientem Reverent Mass with lots of Gregorian Chant, polyphony, and incense and a good amount of Solid Latin or a Latin-English(or Vernacular for non-english speakers) mix?!!! Iād definately agree if the Holy Pontiff phased in this Missal of 1965 as the best of both worlds!
Pax Christi,
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ravenonthecross
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Thereād be A High Elizabethan English Mass, and a High Latin Mass using this form every Sunday. This would be the ideal situation.
Pax Christi,
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Pax Christi,
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Captain_Mike
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1.only altar boys(must wear black shoes canāt stand sneaker shoes) 2.no extra ordinary ministers of Holy Communion( if there need be, only men. 3.no lectors( if there needs to be, only men) 4. Latin must be retained(Sanctus,Gloria, Our Father,Agnus Dei , and of course in greek the Kyrie) 5.no more Holy Communion in the hand( kneeling for Holy Communion if you can) 6. Only traditional Catholic Hymns, only the organ used or chant 7.Priest and people facing towards the tabernacle so the tabernacle must be put back on the Altar 8.Incense and bells must be used and of course real candles on the Altar.Visible Crucifix must be on the Altar 9.More traditional looking vestments for the priests 10.Remove the sign of peace all together( have coffee and donuts or refreshments after mass in another building or tented area for social interaction. share peace with one another there) 11.No liturgical dance movement!!! (this is also mandatory) 12.Only Gold or precious metal chalices (I believe this is already mandatory) 13.Kneeling after The Agnus Dei required. 14. Kneeling or sitting after recieving Holy Communion required. 15. Prayer To St. Michael The Archangel after Mass has ended . 16. Only the priest, altar boys in the Sanctuary . ( only when needed lay men) 17. Only Eucharistic prayer 1 and The Creed would be nice to have in latin! I believe if these things I posted above were done we would see more reverence and modesty in dress at Holy Mass. Bishops and Priests need to preach solid orthodox homilies of course. 
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PatienceAndLove
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You know, I attended the TLM a few times and it was great. But I fell back in love with the NO.
WHY do we have to pick apart the NO and try to make it the TLM? The Holy Father said both rites are to exist side-by-side and neither is better than the other.
I fully agree that there are changes that need to be made, but each rite needs itās own distinctness.
How about a thread about what we LOVE about the NO?
WHY do we have to pick apart the NO and try to make it the TLM? The Holy Father said both rites are to exist side-by-side and neither is better than the other.
I fully agree that there are changes that need to be made, but each rite needs itās own distinctness.
How about a thread about what we LOVE about the NO?
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MrS
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Excellant list, but I would add a priority to itā¦ that the people first be instructed on what they are (or are supposed to be) doing.1.only altar boys(must wear black shoes canāt stand sneaker shoes) 2.no extra ordinary ministers of Holy Communion( if there need be, only men. 3.no lectors( if there needs to be, only men) 4. Latin must be retained(Sanctus,Gloria, Our Father,Agnus Dei , and of course in greek the Kyrie) 5.no more Holy Communion in the hand( kneeling for Holy Communion if you can) 6. Only traditional Catholic Hymns, only the organ used or chant 7.Priest and people facing towards the tabernacle so the tabernacle must be put back on the Altar 8.Incense and bells must be used and of course real candles on the Altar.Visible Crucifix must be on the Altar 9.More traditional looking vestments for the priests 10.Remove the sign of peace all together( have coffee and donuts or refreshments after mass in another building or tented area for social interaction. share peace with one another there) 11.No liturgical dance movement!!! (this is also mandatory) 12.Only Gold or precious metal chalices (I believe this is already mandatory) 13.Kneeling after The Agnus Dei required. 14. Kneeling or sitting after recieving Holy Communion required. 15. Prayer To St. Michael The Archangel after Mass has ended . 16. Only the priest, altar boys in the Sanctuary . ( only when needed lay men) 17. Only Eucharistic prayer 1 and The Creed would be nice to have in latin! I believe if these things I posted above were done we would see more reverence and modesty in dress at Holy Mass. Bishops and Priests need to preach solid orthodox homilies of course.
There are many who object to the āLatinā and āDark Agesā
I contend they donāt understand what is really happening on the altarā¦ ā¦
and they donāt really understand what should be happening in their hearts (active particiption) when all is in the venacular.
Latin wonāt make a difference.
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MrS
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Where did the pope say that neither is better than the other. Or, did he say nothing and you assume that is his position.
IMHO they are distinct. One is more horizontal. The other is more vertical.
I love the NOā¦ I just have rarely seen it celebrated as VATII intendedā¦
by N.O. removal of the use of Latin,
by N.O. women assuming new roles,
by N.O. theologically weak liturgical prayers,
by N.O. creativity on the part of the priest
by N.O. use of HaugenHaas flavored music
splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/archives/005900.php
by N.O. tolerance for (name removed by moderator)ut coming from either modernists, relativists, or those outside the Church.
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johnstown_johnn
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Add to your list the hymns.
Awhile back, I participated in the hymns from the entrance on to the dismissal. After being almost a robot I come to realize hymns like, āAmazing Grace,ā āMorning Has Brokenā and the rest are nothing but PROTESTANT songs that could be heard in any Protestant church near you.
If I wanted to be a Protestant I would enroll in any of those.
But, I finally realized we are being cleverly inculcated into protestantism. Wake up everyoneā¦we are gradually being led to a āOne size fits allā so-called church.
Casual attire as someone mentioned before is no show of solemnity. Nikes and/or Addidas track shoes worn by altar āboys and girlsā shows PERMISSIVENESS on the part of the pastor and the bishop.
āBy their deeds you shall know them.ā
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CatholicSamurai
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I hope itās not too late to add my postā¦
Personally, I like the N.O. Mass but I will admit that abuses took place
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Keep the readings the way they are at least. 1 from OT, 1 from the epistles and of course 1 Gospel Reading.
Remove sign of peace (or at least keep it to a bare minimum). Itās not about the community folks, itās always about Him.
Keep Kyrie in Greek.
Itās ok to use vernacular but please also incorporate some Latin (we are after all of the Latin-rite)
Chant the Mass; less singing (you know what I mean
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No girls for alter servers (sorry ladies).
Use incense.
Priest should face crowd during liturgy of the word, then face altar during liturgy of the Eucharist.
People should learn to keep their voices down in church (most especially before Mass; donāt people know what is Holy anymore?).
Communion in the tongue.
while Iām at itā¦ I would also like some changes to the feel of the church. Some churches needā¦
Stained glass windows.
Keep tabernacle in center (maybe even have a veil covering the front of the tabernacle)
Communion rails.
Votive candles.
A statue of the BVM (honestly, some churches donāt have her).
Those are some of my thoughtsā¦ but I feel there is more.
Most important of all, keep a sense of the sacred. For those in Chicago, if youād like an example, Iād ask you to visit St. John Cantius Roman Catholic Church and Annunciation of the Mother of God Byzantine Catholic Church. I love these churches because they have kept a sense of the sacred. The Mass should be an experience that heightens our senses towards God (itās not entertainment)ā¦ this isnāt whatās happening sometimes.
Personally, I like the N.O. Mass but I will admit that abuses took place
.Keep the readings the way they are at least. 1 from OT, 1 from the epistles and of course 1 Gospel Reading.
Remove sign of peace (or at least keep it to a bare minimum). Itās not about the community folks, itās always about Him.
Keep Kyrie in Greek.
Itās ok to use vernacular but please also incorporate some Latin (we are after all of the Latin-rite)
Chant the Mass; less singing (you know what I mean
)No girls for alter servers (sorry ladies).
Use incense.
Priest should face crowd during liturgy of the word, then face altar during liturgy of the Eucharist.
People should learn to keep their voices down in church (most especially before Mass; donāt people know what is Holy anymore?).
Communion in the tongue.
while Iām at itā¦ I would also like some changes to the feel of the church. Some churches needā¦
Stained glass windows.
Keep tabernacle in center (maybe even have a veil covering the front of the tabernacle)
Communion rails.
Votive candles.
A statue of the BVM (honestly, some churches donāt have her).
Those are some of my thoughtsā¦ but I feel there is more.
Most important of all, keep a sense of the sacred. For those in Chicago, if youād like an example, Iād ask you to visit St. John Cantius Roman Catholic Church and Annunciation of the Mother of God Byzantine Catholic Church. I love these churches because they have kept a sense of the sacred. The Mass should be an experience that heightens our senses towards God (itās not entertainment)ā¦ this isnāt whatās happening sometimes.
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orionsbelt
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Why no guitars? Under no circumstances? What circumstances would be OK?
Does this include all stringed instruments. Cellos? Violins? If these are OK, is it required that the bow be used at all times or is plucking on occasion OK.
Are pianos OK? They have strings.
What about flutes? Are wind instruments OK? But the organ in our church makes its sound by sending air through big pipes that look like flutes. Hmmm.
So is it just one style of organ that is OK?
Is it the instrument that you have a problem with or the specific songs that you personally associate with certain instruments?
I know this sounds ridiculous but I am frustrated reading many of the selfish thoughts expressed in this thread.
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