What do you admire about islam/muslims?

[josie_L]

Exactly, it was a sorry state Jews were in, emotions were probably running high and things were done without thought to consequence.

 

[algebra]

Israel finally defends itself

Ignorance…israel was always the aggressor originally. Today its harder to tell.

Jerusalem is shared with the muslims - and it is in Israel - it is their land - not the muslim’s lands. Neither is the West Bank the muslim’s lands.

if you call that sharing…

Give them a little and they want more - we see that in Pakistan/Kashmir/India, the Philippines, and all the ‘urban sensitive areas’ in Europe.

Absolutely I agree with you here. I think muslims have created problems in other areas.

As for closing the borders - I would too. Sorry, but when you have people insisting on blowing themselves up just to kill them

• I am surprised they ever open the borders up to them! And go talk to Egypt - why no disgruntled behavior over a fellow muslim country closing the border to the Palestinians.

I agree.

I find this whole discussion rather hypocritical from a muslim point of view. But, it seems that is the way it is with them.

What? What muslim point of view? I am becoming a Catholic and I can assure you that I will continue feeling this way after I convert.

 

[algebra]

Exactly, it was a sorry state Jews were in, emotions were probably running high and things were done without thought to consequence.

Yes, however I can assure you that when they were bombing the church in bethelehem (the one where jesus was supposedly born) they were very pleased with themselves.

You people havent ever talked to zionist jews about this stuff I can see.

 

[algebra]

Algebra, what I was trying to convey in my response to you, is that there is more than one way to insult our Lord and Saviour Jesus, it can be done with evil words and/or through evil actions. Muslims who attest that Jesus is one of their prophets yet commit terrorists attacks or simply ignore and support terrorists are no longer respecting Jesus who they purportedly love as a prophet. This is hypocritical of them. I am just trying to show that like those Zionists who hate Jesus, some Muslims show how they hate Jesus through what they do.
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I agree with you Josie, completely.

 

[Agabriel]

The article is about ****CHRISTIAN ****arab palestinians.

Not muslims

I read it.

the problem the Christians are having are due to the jihadists in the Gaza - not the Israelis. I guess for us to discuss that the jihadists behave themselves is moot since they are behaving themselves according to the Quran!

Islamist organizations, empowered by the indifference of the authorities, have begun to target Christian institutions and individuals in Gaza with increasing impunity. Intimidation, assault and the threat of kidnapping are now part of daily reality for Christians.

The trend became noticeable with a series of attacks on the Palestinian Bible Society’s “Teacher’s Bookshop” in Gaza City last year. The shop was the subject of a bomb attack in April 2007. Its owner, Rami Khader Ayyad, was abducted in broad daylight, and found dead on October 7, 2007.

Over the following year, a series of bomb attacks on Christian institutions in Gaza took place. Particular attention was paid to places of education. The Rahabat al-Wardia school run by nuns in the Tel al-Hawa neighborhood of Gaza City, and the American International School in Beit Lahiya were both bombed, most recently in May 2008. The Zahwa Rosary Sisters School and the El-Manara school, both in Gaza City, were also attacked this summer. The YMCA Library was bombed, as was the Commonwealth War Cemetery.

Now, blame the Israelis for all of this!

Here is more on the above article that a Christian bookstore director was killed by jihadists.

More on the persecution of these Christians AND Israelis from muslims!

here is Israel trying to help these Christians.

 

[algebra]

I read it.

the problem the Christians are having are due to the jihadists not the Israelis.
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I agree the muslims dont help the situation, but the zionist jews aren’t as peaceful as you believe.

They are as respoonsible for the plight of the area as a whole as the muslims are.

 

[algebra]

That is very true. My grandfather would never have supported zionism, but he fought for israel.

So I agree with you, some of them were fighting for what they believed was their very survival.

 

[algebra]

• as far as the Church being taxed - that is up to them. It is their country, they can do what they want.

So where is the religious freedom?

 

[Agabriel]

I agree the muslims dont help the situation, but the zionist jews aren’t as peaceful as you believe.

They are as respoonsible for the plight of the area as a whole as the muslims are.

We are going to have to agree to disagree at this point. I don’t see Israel as being the ‘bad guy’ here either.

Israel found not guilty of war crimes

Iran-backed Hamas Rocket, Mortar Attacks
9,400+ rockets and mortars fired from Gaza since 2003.
3,200+ rockets and mortars fired from Gaza in 2008 alone.
6,500+ rockets and mortars fired from Gaza since Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005.
and they just resumed their firing into Israel last week.

Israel’s Humanitarian Aid to Gaza

179 truckloads of humanitarian aid that have been delivered through Israeli crossings into Gaza since the beginning of Operation Cast Lead, including basic food commodities, medication, medical supplies, donations of governments and blood units.
106 additional truckloads of humanitarian aid expected to arrive in Gaza on Jan. 31
6,500 tons of aid transported into Gaza at the request of international organizations, the Palestinian Authority and various governments since the beginning of Operation Cast Lead. The World Food Program informed Israel that it will cease shipment of food to Gaza because warehouses are at full capacity, with enough food to last two weeks.

I wonder how much aid flowed from any muslim, muslim country, etc. into Israel? We saw Egypt close its borders! hhhmmm, so Israel did more than even a ‘fellow’ muslim country for the muslims?! gee, go figure.

As for ‘zionism’ - 1 a: the Jewish people : israel b: the Jewish homeland that is symbolic of Judaism or of Jewish national aspiration c: the ideal nation or society envisaged by Judaism.

I have no problems with zionism. I still haven’t been shown the ‘zionists’ violence. Not one article.

 

[ralphinal]

True.

However my time with islam has shown me that those places do not represent true islam.

True islam is a system that attempts to implement justice and morality.

It attempts to bring peace and prosperity to everyone (including non-muslims) living under it.

There are 2 problems with this utopic islamic state.

1. like communism its impossible to implement, because its successful implementation rests on having good leadership.
2. Its a manmade system, so it is flawed, and even though its goals are lofty there will never be a successful islamic state.

I do not disagree.

In fact, I would say that the very fact you cannot have a perfect Islamic state on earth PROVES that Islam is not a true faith from God.

 

[algebra]

As for ‘zionism’ - 1 a: the Jewish people : israel b: the Jewish homeland that is symbolic of Judaism or of Jewish national aspiration c: the ideal nation or society envisaged by Judaism.

What are you on about? is that a definition from a dictionary. I gave you a much better source. A web-page of a zionist. Read that.

The link you provided to the Barnabas Aid page says that it is a christian organisation - not a jewish one, certainly not an israeli one or a zionist one.

I have no problems with zionism. I still haven’t been shown the ‘zionists’ violence. Not one article.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

 

[algebra]

In fact, I would say that the very fact you cannot have a perfect Islamic state on earth PROVES that Islam is not a true faith from God.

I agree. In fact I am not sure we should aspire to make Holy Political States.

I like - render unto Ceaser…

The fact that islam encourages a political state to me is the first sign that something is desperately wrong with the religion.

 

[ralphinal]

I agree. In fact I am not sure we should aspire to make Holy Political States.

I like - render unto Ceaser…

The fact that islam encourages a political state to me is the first sign that something is desperately wrong with the religion.

Agreed. In fact, the entire portion of Islam that dictates daily life is somewhat bothersome to me. I have no issue with a moral code, but at some point, are we not allowed to decide things for ourselves?

 

[Appleby]

Thank you. Not yet converted formally., still have 35 days to go.

Why is it that you hate your fellow Jews as hysterically as those Arabs roaring DEATH TO AMERICA! in my own downtown non-Arab city?

I am of Jewish ancestry myself – my Daddys family is Jewish – and that kind of talk you have spewed forth above is one of the reasons we do not trust the Muslims.

 

[chrisb]

I like Rumi the sufi poet…

 

[adolfo123]

I am not muslim, married to a muslim.

I am to be baptised this coming Easter.

In my time I have come to love Islam deeply.

What about islam/muslims do you admire so much?

I love the commitment of muslims to their faith.

It is rare to find this commitment amongst christians and even more rare amongst jews.

The Virgin Mary …

 

[algebra]

Agreed. In fact, the entire portion of Islam that dictates daily life is somewhat bothersome to me. I have no issue with a moral code, but at some point, are we not allowed to decide things for ourselves?

I dont know about that, I find judaism to be even more tedious than islam.

But I have my own ideas on why that judaism is the way it is.

 

[Agabriel]

What are you on about? is that a definition from a dictionary. I gave you a much better source. A web-page of a zionist. Read that.

The link you provided to the Barnabas Aid page says that it is a christian organisation - not a jewish one, certainly not an israeli one or a zionist one.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

algebra, that article doesn’t make sense. The violence against the Christians coming from the muslims has been much greater. Israel only protected itself - and they even gave humanitarian aid.

The persecution of the Gazan Christians not only is still going on, but went on before the war - so what does Israel have to do with that?

I don’t understand what you are trying to prove now.

I gave you the definition because I didn’t think you knew what it was. You have not proven that Zionists are bad and have done what you are saying that they have done. All you have shown me is that some Christians have misdirected their pleas since they should be directing them towards the muslims. Or is it that they know that is futile?!?!

 

[josie_L]

Why is it that you hate your fellow Jews as hysterically as those Arabs roaring DEATH TO AMERICA! in my own downtown non-Arab city?

I am of Jewish ancestry myself – my Daddys family is Jewish – and that kind of talk you have spewed forth above is one of the reasons we do not trust the Muslims.

Did your dad convert to Catholicism? I’m just curious.

 

[algebra]

Why is it that you hate your fellow Jews as hysterically as those Arabs roaring DEATH TO AMERICA! in my own downtown non-Arab city?

I do not hate my fellow jews at all.
Where would you get that idea from? I am simply pointing out that if zionists were as numerous as jihadists, you would have a bigger problem.

I am of Jewish ancestry myself – my Daddys family is Jewish – and that kind of talk you have spewed forth above is one of the reasons we do not trust the Muslims.

Well since it is daddy, you are not a jew. So you cannot use the pronoun “we”.

But that is a technicality.

You do not trust muslims, because you are ignorant.