What do you admire about islam/muslims?

[R_not]

Given that this forum section deals with Non-RCC faiths, by definition, why come and say such unkind things? No one, not even your own church is so cruel as to suggest what you say.

You have an interesting signature, yet you fail to follow it yourself, and go out of your way to remind people that a small segment of a faith has strayed from truth. You would say the same of Christianity, and the same may well be said of Judaism. Each has its radical element. To call all Muslims bad is simply uncalled for, visciously unfair and hatred filled.

I have not said that you cannot have your opinion. Instead you are trying to take my opinion and bash it. Why are you afraid of it? Instead of proving me wrong - you bash me.

prove me wrong and then you might have something worth posting.

And to learn about the differences between our radicals and the radicals in islam.

Our radicals are not usually (well, except for those on the left who admire such freaks as Bill Ayers, etc) admired. If they commit a crime they are treated as perps and put in jail, given a trial and punishment is meted out. We do not support their behavior.

That is not so in islam. Their radicals are actually truthful and follow the koran, unlike the ‘peaceful’ ones who are not truthful and practicing taqiyya/kithman.

their sharia laws do nothing to stop them when they kill, or do anything, to unbelievers. Their countries might do something for a little while if they are under the world’s gaze - but quite often they are let out and continue on their same way. There is no law for a muslim who does things against unbelievers. In fact, if they die while killing unbelievers - even women and children - they are considered martyrs and the community celebrates.

Muslim charities are set up for their radicals. Haven’t you wondered why we closed down so many? I am sure they funnel the money in different ways now - under the radar so to speak.

Now, if you want to bash me - don’t waste your time. Disprove what I write.

Maybe if you read the koran and knew something of islam’s history you would realize that the freedom to practice one’s religion is not in islam’s agenda. They even are going through the UN to silence the West. They pressure groups to shutup by terror, threats, bullying, suing, etc. that is why so many have 24 hour guards, or have been killed. And they do the same thing that they threaten others when they do it. The intolerance and bigotry is coming from the muslims.

They have killed and destroyed more over a cartoon - and they have done it to people who have had nothing to do with those cartoons.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Nothing. I believe Muslims are dangerous.

I believe thinking like that is dangerous.

 

[Bill_Pick]

I am not muslim, married to a muslim.

I am to be baptised this coming Easter.

In my time I have come to love Islam deeply.

What about islam/muslims do you admire so much?

I love the commitment of muslims to their faith.

It is rare to find this commitment amongst christians and even more rare amongst jews.

What are you getting baptised unto,PLEASE give me a answer and PEACE be with You

 

[LDNCatholic]

You have an interesting signature, yet you fail to follow it yourself, and go out of your way to remind people that a small segment of a faith has strayed from truth. You would say the same of Christianity, and the same may well be said of Judaism. Each has its radical element. To call all Muslims bad is simply uncalled for, visciously unfair and hatred filled.

Actually. The entire faith of Islam has strayed from Truth. Judaism did not, it just did not change when change came, but yes, a number of Christians strayed very far from the Truth.

Other than that I agree with what you say, it is not accurate nor beneficial to tar all in a group with one brush.

To get back on topic. I admire the fact that many Muslims (though not all, certainly I’d say not even the majority) are very enthusiastic in sharing their faith.

As for the faith itself, I can only admire that which agrees with the Truth.

 

[R_not]

I believe thinking like that is dangerous.

Their idiology is indeed dangerous.

Have you heard any muslims protest the fact that hamas is now resumed bombing Israel? I only hear… silence. Before that jews were killed in some Western countries, riots and destruction took place, and all over the fact that after years of taking the bombs being lobbed into their country they finally struck back - the muslims got enraged that israel defended itself. And our left wing idiots jumped on their ‘plight’ right off while not caring one iota that they aim for women and children and used their own which caused their own to die.

And we only hear from the muslims - even on these threads - only their support of this ilk, hamas. Now they are happy and silent because the violence against Israel has resumed and I suppose, all is good in the world to them.

The muslims have attacked in the Philippines over 100,000 times against Christians. In India/Kashmir they are waging a jihad. In Africa they are waging a jihad. And in our own countries they are waging a stealth jihad.

a couple of books,
‘A Never Ending War’,
‘Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs’ and
‘They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It’
The Third Jihad - 30 minute version
Brigette Gabriel’s talk at the Thomas More Law Center

And the end is the same whether it be by stealth or violence - death, conversion or subjugation. We think in time frames of a couple of years - they think in their lifetimes and their children’s lifetimes, etc. They just have eternal warfare since our lands are considered the realms of war (dar al harb). Until they get sharia laws enacted it is eternal war - or in islam that means ‘opening the world to islam’.

 

[R_not]

Actually. The entire faith of Islam has strayed from Truth. Judaism did not, it just did not change when change came, but yes, a number of Christians strayed very far from the Truth.

Other than that I agree with what you say, it is not accurate nor beneficial to tar all in a group with one brush.

To get back on topic. I admire the fact that many Muslims (though not all, certainly I’d say not even the majority) are very enthusiastic in sharing their faith.

As for the faith itself, I can only admire that which agrees with the Truth.

And that is what they term the ‘call to islam’ and if you do not accept it then they consider you kafir and elible for death or subjugation. (there are only three options for peace - death, conversion or subjugation).

They do da’wa to call you and that includes deception about islam.

• Intentionally preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth-> 6:25 6:110
• Intentionally preventing unbelievers from Understanding Qur’an-> 17:45-76

muslim texts that command deception:
suras 16:106, 3:28, 40:28, 2:225, 66:2
hadiths Bukhari 52:269, 49:857, 84:64-65, 52:271
from islamic law, Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746)

This is a part of jihad that they are told to wage and if they do not they are destined for hell. Well, they don’t really know if this bypasses predestination, but they are just ‘covering their bases’.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Their idiology is indeed dangerous

That is not what I meant and you know it.

 

[josie_L]

I believe thinking like that is dangerous.

I have heard the expression Londonistan to describe the rising Muslim population in London, can you please fill us in on what is happening culturally/politically in your city. God Bless!

 

[hosemonkey]

Islam is a backward religion practiced by backward people in backward countries. Examine most of the wars since the second World War and see that moslems are at the bottom of most of them. The West had better wake up to the danger and take action. Freeing ourselves from moslem oil domination would be a good start. Most oil-producing moslem countries would sink back into the desert if not for oil.

 

[Ed_Rand]

Not that there is any reason for me to comment, why don’t you ask R_not where she gets her ideas? On what basis did she come to this conclusion?

This sounds interesting.

R_not, on what basis did you come to these conclusions about Muslims?

 

[katy_kt]

Sorry to see that this thread is becoming like the other threads. True that there are parts of Islam that can be debated on but there are enough of other threads. Try to stay on topic

I am not muslim, married to a muslim.

I am to be baptised this coming Easter.

Congratulations!!!

What about islam/muslims do you admire so much?

Their commitment to their religion. Some Muslims are willing to pray in public (their five required prayers) even when they are very shy about it. Respect, family values, community values etc

It is rare to find this commitment amongst christians and even more rare amongst jews.

It is true, but I think this is something you will find in the west but not so much in the east. You should take a look at the Christians in the east, especially where they are a minority such as the Middle East. You will find that the Christians are equally committed to their faith.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

I have not said that you cannot have your opinion. Instead you are trying to take my opinion and bash it. Why are you afraid of it? Instead of proving me wrong - you bash me.

prove me wrong and then you might have something worth posting.

And to learn about the differences between our radicals and the radicals in islam.

Our radicals are not usually (well, except for those on the left who admire such freaks as Bill Ayers, etc) admired. If they commit a crime they are treated as perps and put in jail, given a trial and punishment is meted out. We do not support their behavior.

That is not so in islam. Their radicals are actually truthful and follow the koran, unlike the ‘peaceful’ ones who are not truthful and practicing taqiyya/kithman.

their sharia laws do nothing to stop them when they kill, or do anything, to unbelievers. Their countries might do something for a little while if they are under the world’s gaze - but quite often they are let out and continue on their same way. There is no law for a muslim who does things against unbelievers. In fact, if they die while killing unbelievers - even women and children - they are considered martyrs and the community celebrates.

Muslim charities are set up for their radicals. Haven’t you wondered why we closed down so many? I am sure they funnel the money in different ways now - under the radar so to speak.

Now, if you want to bash me - don’t waste your time. Disprove what I write.

Maybe if you read the koran and knew something of islam’s history you would realize that the freedom to practice one’s religion is not in islam’s agenda. They even are going through the UN to silence the West. They pressure groups to shutup by terror, threats, bullying, suing, etc. that is why so many have 24 hour guards, or have been killed. And they do the same thing that they threaten others when they do it. The intolerance and bigotry is coming from the muslims.

They have killed and destroyed more over a cartoon - and they have done it to people who have had nothing to do with those cartoons.

I am afraid of nothing. I don’t have to prove anything. You statements are flatly wrong on their face. No one can claim that all anyone is anything. Not all Catholics, or all Jews and on and on. It suggests nothing but pure hatred of an entire group. Like saying that of Germans or Swedes. No proof is required. You are simply hate filled. But I suppose someone did have a point in wondering where ever you got such ideas. Such ideas of course led to genocide. I am sorry you are so filled with hate. It must be a terrible burden.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

I believe thinking like that is dangerous.

Indeed, I would urge any body who is this hate filled to speak to their religious pastor, priest, advisor. Help is needed badly. No church teaches this.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Actually. The entire faith of Islam has strayed from Truth. Judaism did not, it just did not change when change came, but yes, a number of Christians strayed very far from the Truth.

Other than that I agree with what you say, it is not accurate nor beneficial to tar all in a group with one brush.

To get back on topic. I admire the fact that many Muslims (though not all, certainly I’d say not even the majority) are very enthusiastic in sharing their faith.

As for the faith itself, I can only admire that which agrees with the Truth.

I understand you to mean that you feel that anyone not believing in your faith has strayed. That of course I would expect you to believe I guess. My faith, happily doesn’t require me to think others in error because of their faith choices. I thnk God speaks to us all in the circumstances we are in. But otherwise, we certainly agree, that it is simply wrong to attack an entire faith or people as being the same. I would

 

[LDNCatholic]

I have heard the expression Londonistan to describe the rising Muslim population in London, can you please fill us in on what is happening culturally/politically in your city. God Bless!

Well we have had an absolutely huge number of Catholic Poles to our city. So much so the largest Christian Church in England when the numbers of practicing members is tallied up is Catholicism. We also have communities made up of people from every corner of the world.

Londonistan is a word used often by racists to describe London taking special notice of the fact that there are large numbers of South Asian immigrants in some areas, many of whom are not Muslims at all. The word is trumpeted by Racists, and people who dislike Muslims specifically to make the ‘‘situation’’ sound bad.

London is a huge city and believe it or not, for the most part, we all get on just fine, regardless of these much emphasised cultural divides. To be honest one thing I’ve noticed that causes a lot of trouble is White Nationalists, not Muslims.

 

[LDNCatholic]

I understand you to mean that you feel that anyone not believing in your faith has strayed. That of course I would expect you to believe I guess. My faith, happily doesn’t require me to think others in error because of their faith choices. I thnk God speaks to us all in the circumstances we are in. But otherwise, we certainly agree, that it is simply wrong to attack an entire faith or people as being the same. I would

Yes I definately agree with the last part, and I am not trying to insult people who are in other religions, but it is as you say, I believe my religion to be the one sent by God, so anyone who is not following it is not as close to the Truth as me. No offence meant and I’m sure most in other religions would say the same of me.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Spot on mate.

 

[josie_L]

I am afraid of nothing. I don’t have to prove anything. You statements are flatly wrong on their face. No one can claim that all anyone is anything. Not all Catholics, or all Jews and on and on. It suggests nothing but pure hatred of an entire group. Like saying that of Germans or Swedes. No proof is required. You are simply hate filled. But I suppose someone did have a point in wondering where ever you got such ideas. Such ideas of course led to genocide. I am sorry you are so filled with hate. It must be a terrible burden.

SpiritMeadow I don’t think she was referring to the individual Muslim, but the religion of Islam. R_not usually quotes from the Koran as a source. You may not agree with what she has to say, but I think you were rather harsh on her. It was not necessary to say she is hate-filled. I myself am aware of some the things she has opined. Are you aware of people like Robert Spencer, Geert Wilder, or the cartoonists of the infamous Mohammed drawings, how about Theo Van Gogh, Daniel Pearl . . .etc.

 

[josie_L]

Are you refering to my question to LDN catholic? Because if you were the “mighty sick and tired” was a little over the top. My question was valid and was not meant to insult anyone. OK. God Bless.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Are you refering to my question to LDN catholic? Because if you were the “mighty sick and tired” was a little over the top. My question was valid and was not meant to insult anyone. OK. God Bless.

It isn’t just you Josie, don’t worry. There are a lot of posters, some more vocal than others, from ‘‘across the pond’’ that seem to think they know London better than the people who live here. I am not accusing you of that as your question seemed fairly innocent, however every time myself of (name removed by moderator), or Kaninchen (another poster from London) have on opinion on something related to Islam or Muslims someone decides to wade in and call us Dhimmis. It wears a little thin after a while. But as I say I don’t believe that was the intention of your post.