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ferdie
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Duty to God comes first. Have him baptized and catechized and show him how you live your faith and he will recognize the truth.
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LDNCatholic
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Kadaveri, its been a while since I saw you on the forums, how’ve you been?
(for algebra- thats a Geordie threat…uncivilized brutes)
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algebra
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How do you figure this if I have received God’s grace without being raised Catholic?
I will let my actions speak my faith, I do not need to actively force my beliefs on him.
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algebra
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I can show him how I live my faith without having baptised.
My wife will not let me baptise him, I am not upto doing battle over this.
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LilyM
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“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matt 28:19). That commission wasn’t just for the Apostles.
And what message do you think it will give to your child about your faith if you won’t baptise him? It will most likely send the message that your faith isn’t as important or worthwhile as his mother’s.
And what message do you think it will give to your child about your faith if you won’t baptise him? It will most likely send the message that your faith isn’t as important or worthwhile as his mother’s.
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algebra
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We have been through this with the muslims as well.
I choose God, because in loving, protecting and caring for my wife and family, I am loving God.
I choose God, because in loving, protecting and caring for my wife and family, I am loving God.
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algebra
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Again, you are not making room for the action of God.And what message do you think it will give to your child about your faith if you won’t baptise him? It will most likely send the message that your faith isn’t as important or worthwhile as his mother’s.
If I, not raised Catholic, could recognise the Truth in the Church.
Why would it be different for my son?
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LilyM
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Ignoring your child’s spiritual welfare (which means first and foremost your duty to baptise him) doesn’t seem to me to be either loving, protecting and caring for him, nor to be loving God.
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LDNCatholic
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algebra if you recognise the Truth of the Church, why not follow what She teaches (i.e that children of a mixed marriage must be baptised and raised Catholic).
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LilyM
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Because I’ve SEEN many children raised as you propose to do - many, even if they are baptised, will not practice their faith if a parent does not. But it is even less so if the parents fail to baptise them.
Why bother baptising ANY child, ever, at all, if it doesn’t matter? Why would Christ COMMAND us to baptise if baptism wasn’t critically important - for children as well as adults?
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algebra
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The simple truth is that my wife will leave me and take my son with her, if I impose my faith on them.
I figure I will be more of an influence if I am around.
If I am not around at all, I will have absolutely no influence on my sons spiritual education.
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algebra
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I am not suggesting that it doesnt matter.
I recognise the power of the sacraments. It is important to me.
But…
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LilyM
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Talk to your priest about it. You may be able to have it done quietly or something. But it’s important.
Think about it this way - if your wife were denying something that were necessary for your son’s physical health - say medical care that was needed - what would you do to ensure that he saw a doctor? This is every bit as important.
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algebra
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I will not do it quietly. No good comes of deceit even for a good end.
I will place my trust in the God and His Mother. They shall be my guide.
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LilyM
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Trust in God but sit on your hands and do nothing. No good comes of that either.
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algebra
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What exactly is the Churchs teaching wrt my situation?
Especially wrt to getting it done quietly.
You probably already told me.
But I would like that answer by itself in a post, just so that its not lost in the many other discussions.
Especially wrt to getting it done quietly.
You probably already told me.
But I would like that answer by itself in a post, just so that its not lost in the many other discussions.
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hamba2han
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Prior to making formal prayer, Jesus (pbuh) used to wash his limbs according to the teachings of the Torah. Moses and Aaron (pbut) are recorded as doing the same in Exodus 40:30&31
“30 And he set the laver between the tent of meeting and the altar, and put water in it for washing,
31with which Moses and Aaron and his sons washed their hands and their feet… as the Lord commanded Moses.”
In the Qur’an, Chapter al-Maa’idah, (5):6, ablution for prayer is prescribed as follows:
“O you who believe, when you intend to pray, wash your faces and fore-arms up to the elbows, wipe your heads and wash your feet up to the ankles …”
And so you see, Muslims “baptise” themselves 5 times a day before their prayers.
Don’t Christians consider this to be an admirable trait?
“30 And he set the laver between the tent of meeting and the altar, and put water in it for washing,
31with which Moses and Aaron and his sons washed their hands and their feet… as the Lord commanded Moses.”
In the Qur’an, Chapter al-Maa’idah, (5):6, ablution for prayer is prescribed as follows:
“O you who believe, when you intend to pray, wash your faces and fore-arms up to the elbows, wipe your heads and wash your feet up to the ankles …”
And so you see, Muslims “baptise” themselves 5 times a day before their prayers.
Don’t Christians consider this to be an admirable trait?
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dzheremi
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Algebra, I can’t help but be reminded (with regard to your family sitaution) of Jesus’ warning that He has come not to bring peace, but a sword. It is not a physical sword, obviously, but the idea that His message will set families and communities against each other, and that such is the price of following the narrow path.
While your situation appears to have been unavoidable from the start (since you had no idea you would come to reject Islam in favor of Christianity), knowing now what you do know about what is true and what is not, it is your responsibility to act on that knowledge, which is given to you by God. Just a few days ago in confession I was reminded that gifts of God cease to be properly called “gifts” if we merely keep them for ourselves and do not share them when we have the opportunity. You have, if nothing else, a monumental opportunity available to you right now. What will you do with your most blessed gift of the truth of the Almighty?
While your situation appears to have been unavoidable from the start (since you had no idea you would come to reject Islam in favor of Christianity), knowing now what you do know about what is true and what is not, it is your responsibility to act on that knowledge, which is given to you by God. Just a few days ago in confession I was reminded that gifts of God cease to be properly called “gifts” if we merely keep them for ourselves and do not share them when we have the opportunity. You have, if nothing else, a monumental opportunity available to you right now. What will you do with your most blessed gift of the truth of the Almighty?
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ralphinal
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If they were baptising themselves, once per life is enough.
I bath once, sometimes twice a day. I assure you I am quite clean. But NO AMOUNT of external washing can clean the soul. No, it takes SPIRITUAL washing to do that. The Muslim ritual of cleansing will not even begin to touch the soul. Not five times a day, not five million.
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hamba2han
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As can be seen in Exodus 40:30&31, the Lord commanded Moses (pbuh) to do external washing before doing spiritual washing when praying.
Since it was commanded to Moses (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh) himself did this, then why don’t Christians consider ablution before prayer to be an admirable act?
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