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verdigirl
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This could very well mean that the pastor of that parish has allowed an NCW community to hold its Eucharist and Liturgy of the Word services on the parish property. He is probably trying to shed a little light on their workings. However, because of the nature of the NCW, you would NOT be able to fully participate in all of the activities until you go through the paces yourself.
It might be more accurate to say that the NCW is borrowing space from the parish. I would call that parish office and ask them how involved the NCW really is in the parish. If there’s an overly enthusiastic response, keep looking. My experience says that in a parish where they’re tolerated, the office staff seems a bit standoffish when describing them.
We have a parish here locally that hosts a few communities, but the pastor there has the presence of mind to put them under obedience. That is to say that he requires each member to participate in parish ministries and to attend Sunday Mass every week. He says that when he encountered resistance, he told them that they should feel glad to be in God’s presence so much more than everyone else. I have always admired this pastor’s strategy!
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verdigirl
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Another thing that I’ve encountered is that let’s say that you’re a member of XYZ parish, and you start going to the two months of meetings. Let’s also say that you miss a good bit because of work or whatever.
The group will not let you continue with everyone else. You have to wait until another group starts up, and that could often mean that you will be moved to a group in a completely different parish altogether.
So your Sunday attendance, tithe, any ministry participation then gets shut down at your XYZ parish in favor of your participation in the group at the new parish.
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passioncrosslov
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Thanks, but I don’t think they’ll even get to peek! My parish is solid like a rock!!!
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passioncrosslov
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People,
What Church are we talking about, the Neocatechumenal Way Church or the Roman Catholic Church? And what Way is emphasized here? The Neo-C Way or the Way? Only Christ is THE WAY! “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” I don’t recall anywhere in the Bible that He said: “I am the [Neocatechumanel] Way…” From what Verdigirl posted, IT DOES NOT SOUND SAFE, unless those information are not accurate, then someone could clarify, please. What is up with “those who are not in the NC Way, walks alone”? In that case, then Christ himself was not [definitely], since he walks alone on that darkest journey of His in order to safe us from our iniquities; therefore, NC Way is not Christians???
CHRIST IS THE WAY → follow Him and learn from His examples.
CHRIST IS THE TRUTH → listen and obey His teachings.
CHRIST IS THE LIFE → commend yours in His.
And He gave the Key of the Kingdom to His Church, and she has the authority to bind and to loose on earth as is in Heaven.; so, listen to her.
What Church are we talking about, the Neocatechumenal Way Church or the Roman Catholic Church? And what Way is emphasized here? The Neo-C Way or the Way? Only Christ is THE WAY! “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” I don’t recall anywhere in the Bible that He said: “I am the [Neocatechumanel] Way…” From what Verdigirl posted, IT DOES NOT SOUND SAFE, unless those information are not accurate, then someone could clarify, please. What is up with “those who are not in the NC Way, walks alone”? In that case, then Christ himself was not [definitely], since he walks alone on that darkest journey of His in order to safe us from our iniquities; therefore, NC Way is not Christians???
CHRIST IS THE WAY → follow Him and learn from His examples.
CHRIST IS THE TRUTH → listen and obey His teachings.
CHRIST IS THE LIFE → commend yours in His.
And He gave the Key of the Kingdom to His Church, and she has the authority to bind and to loose on earth as is in Heaven.; so, listen to her.
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Walking_Home
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People,
What Church are we talking about, the Neocatechumenal Way Church or the Roman Catholic Church? And what Way is emphasized here? The Neo-C Way or the Way? Only Christ is THE WAY! “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” I don’t recall anywhere in the Bible that He said: “I am the [Neocatechumanel] Way…” From what Verdigirl posted, IT DOES NOT SOUND SAFE, unless those information are not accurate, then someone could clarify, please. What is up with “those who are not in the NC Way, walks alone”? In that case, then Christ himself was not [definitely], since he walks alone on that darkest journey of His in order to safe us from our iniquities; therefore, NC Way is not Christians???
CHRIST IS THE WAY → follow Him and learn from His examples.
CHRIST IS THE TRUTH → listen and obey His teachings.
CHRIST IS THE LIFE → commend yours in His.
And He gave the Key of the Kingdom to His Church, and she has the authority to bind and to loose on earth as is in Heaven.; so, listen to her.
The Neocatechumenals do consider themselves as----the WAY. The true christians—the true Catholics. That is why those NOT in the Neocatechumenal Way —Walk Alone.
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the_phoenix
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I am also a witness to the seated Communion distribution … in fact, it made for a very awkward moment for me personally. You see, I had stumbled by accident into one of the Neocatechumenal Way’s Masses … because I had wanted to quietly ring in the New Year by visiting Our Lord in the Eucharist at an Adoration Chapel to be there at the stroke of midnight. Well, when I arrived at the chapel, I found myself escorted to a seat in a circle right up at the front of the chapel! I then had to publicly refuse Communion in front of everybody, because I had not fasted.
Note: This took place in a former parish in Northeast Ohio several years ago. The Adoration Chapel at my current parish has never had anything like I described above occur, to my knowledge.
~~ the phoenix
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passioncrosslov
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I think our moderator should add a “holywater-sprinkling-smiley” for our posts. I think we desperately need it! I’ll use this meanwhile…
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Walking_Home
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I think our moderator should add a “holywater-sprinkling-smiley” for our posts. I think we desperately need it! I’ll use this meanwhile…
Our Church is in trouble. This movement is trying to replace the Catholic Church with Kiko’s Church.
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verdigirl
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I am waiting, waiting, waiting to hear what comes down from Rome on this whole issue. My gut feeling is that what’s taking longer than June is the review of the doctrinal issues. I honestly don’t think Pope B16, after having such a large role in dogma previously, will allow the heresies to go unchecked.
If the SSPX leadership was finally excommunicated for basically just wanting to keep things the way they were, I can’t really see this movement continuing the way it has. SOME sort of change will have to happen!
IMHO, I think they’re going to return the catechist’s manual to Kiko and Carmen completely revised, imprimitur and all. I think B16 will tell them that they will be allowed to continue ONLY if they use the revised catechism of theirs. And then we’ll all be waiting with bated breath to see if Kiko is humble enough to accept the revision.
That’s just my take.
If the SSPX leadership was finally excommunicated for basically just wanting to keep things the way they were, I can’t really see this movement continuing the way it has. SOME sort of change will have to happen!
IMHO, I think they’re going to return the catechist’s manual to Kiko and Carmen completely revised, imprimitur and all. I think B16 will tell them that they will be allowed to continue ONLY if they use the revised catechism of theirs. And then we’ll all be waiting with bated breath to see if Kiko is humble enough to accept the revision.
That’s just my take.
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passioncrosslov
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Another catechism? Why not the CCC?
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verdigirl
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Obviously, that would be the best thing. However, I think that Rome will allow flexibility for the NCW to use a version, like the new American-focused short catechism that was released by the Council of Bishops last year. I think that Rome will probably try to work with them so they can avoid another situation like with SSPX.
Kiko and company probably also present a situation that might be putting Rome against the wall, because if they stamp out the group, there could be a lot of noise about how B16 doesn’t want laypeople to have any power, which to the un-catechized would seem contrary to Vatican II. Kiko likes to say that the Church was basically invalid from the time of Constantine forward and became valid again at Vatican II. So then there would be all this hoopla, like, “look how B16 released this Motu Proprio…all he wants is nothing but old-school traditionalism! He doesn’t want laypeople to have any power!” I can just hear it now.
This is just my speculation. What do you all think will happen?
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Gearoidin
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If you follow this link and scroll down to the second story (RESTORATION, RENEWAL CONTINUE IN DIOCESE TORN BY DISSENT) you can read about some of the problems my parish has had and is still having with the Neocatechumenal Way
cbcj.catholic.jp/eng/jcn/feb2006.htm
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cbcj.catholic.jp/eng/jcn/feb2006.htm
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Walking_Home
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Where ever the Neocatechumenals go—the Church will suffer.
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verdigirl
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Just read some of the links that were posted recently. That Scrutiny process really concerns me. If there really is a priest present, I hope this isn’t really a confession. That priest will have probably broken the seal of confession if so, by the virtue of the fact that any counseling or instructions is happening in front of witnesses.
Yet another manipulation of a sacrament by the NCW!
Yet another manipulation of a sacrament by the NCW!
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Allen537
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In my old seminaryI use to go to class with some Neo-cats (our short form for them) and they seemed to be pretty good guys. However you could def tell by their actions they were neocats, usually by the way the carried themselves in conversations. So while I knew a few personally, and the few that I knew were pretty good guys, there were others who seemed a little strange to me. This could just be a difference in personality, or could just be a different spirituality. I really think its a case by case basis with neocats, the same with anyother seminarian.
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verdigirl
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Me too. I know several Neocat priests, and on the whole, they are nice guys. One of them used to cook lunch for me sometimes! I try to maintain a good relationship with the people I disagree with.
What used to get me about them is that when they come across matters that are particularly troubling, like challenges to their celibacy, for example, instead of going to the pastor, or to the Vicar for Clergy, they go to their Neocat catechist, who is a layperson.
I’m scratching my head about that one.
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