What does politics have to do with religion

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The transgender issue is another one. What bathrooms should transgender people use? If they look like a boy, why not use the boy’s? If they have completed the sex reassignment, I don’t understand the fuss. Separation of church and state means there should be no role of religion in politics. There are so many different religions in the USA I think it is best the government does not show any favoritism towards Christianity
 
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This is pretty much how I feel about some of the trump supporters on here.
 
Not a Catholic, and not a Democrat either. But here’s my objection to this list:

condoms and birth control - Republicans support and use these just like Dems

the morning after pill on demand - many Repubs are fine with this, too. As long as gov’t doesn’t pay for it. Private pay is fine though.

gay marriage - you realize there are more than a few gay Republicans? Some who are quite prominent?

government funded abortion - the key words are government funded. Many Repubs are just fine with privately funded abortions.

lgbt rights trump religious freedom - religious freedom frequently trumps other rights. Church doesn’t always win though.

transgender bathrooms and showers - haven’t seen much legislative action on this by either party.

contraception mandate against faith-based groups like little sisters of the poor - which the church won. Here’s an example of religious rights trumping women’s rights, for example.

no role of religion in government - Trump has an evangelical council. HRC is Methodist. Obama and Bush both claimed to have personal faith. That said, we are a secular democracy. What did you expect?

appoint pro-abortion judges - Repubs do this too.

no or limited school choice - Still waiting for school vouchers for my son’s private school, despite having a Republican controlled state house and Senate here. So far, no action taken.
etc.
 
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Evangelism is tarnishing its witness because of its hypocrisy in condemning Bill Clinton for his sexual sins, but are giving a pass to the “p----y grabbing,” thrice married, adulterer.
evangelism has a lot more wrong than the support of trump with its gay bishops, women clergy and health and wealth gospel.
The transgender issue is another one. What bathrooms should transgender people use? If they look like a boy, why not use the boy’s? If they have completed the sex reassignment,
in society in general, i would not care which loo a person used. i have an issue with the way it is being forced on schools. i think other accommodations could be made in schools.

the question is how are christians supposed to react to transgender and gay people? the answer is to treat them as we would any other christian but if they engage in gay sex we can’t ignore the sin. we have a duty to preach God’s word to them. we have a duty to show them how their actions may lead to hades. we can’t ignore their actions and act like it is okay.
But here’s my objection to this list:
yes, some republicans do but the party, in general, doesn’t. some dems are pro-life but their pro-life bills won’t see the light of day if we have a dem leadership.
 
What are better solutions and alternatives for transgendered students at school when they need to use the restroom or locker or school shower? A lot of transgender like to keep that private
 
What are better solutions and alternatives for transgendered students at school when they need to use the restroom or locker or school shower? A lot of transgender like to keep that private
single use rooms. i know it won’t happen overnight but it can be done and all new buildings should incorporate the design.
 
evangelism has a lot more wrong than the support of trump with its gay bishops, women clergy and health and wealth gospel.
The evangelicals who supported Trump were of the conservative variety, not the liberal. Failed attempt at deflection.
 
yes, some republicans do but the party, in general, doesn’t. some dems are pro-life but their pro-life bills won’t see the light of day if we have a dem leadership.
Then why did they vote to fully fund PP to the tune of half a billion dollars? Why is the 20 week pain capable Bill sitting untouched by the Republican Congress after all these weeks?

Answer: because the GOP will throw pro-lifers a bone and give them laws that make it harder for poor and rural people to have abortions in dingy little clinics. No skin off their backs.

But most of the GOP has no intention of ending something that helps their wives in disposing of a genetically defective fetus; or a college age son or daughter to “preserve their educational future” by aborting an unintended baby; or help the male GOP members themselves by aborting the evidence of their extramarital affairs.

Wake up. The GOP are willing to leave the poor and working class to their miserable reproductive fates - but not themselves or their wealthy, donor friends,
 
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The evangelicals who supported Trump were of the conservative variety, not the liberal. Failed attempt at deflection.
how many of these conservatives preach a health and wealth gospel?
Then why did they vote to fully fund PP to the tune of half a billion dollars?
rino’s
Why is the 20 week pain capable Bill sitting untouched by the Republican Congress after all these weeks?
votes they have not
Democrats filibustered the bill. In a 51–46 vote, the bill failed to make it out of debate and to a final floor vote.
 
how many of these conservatives preach a health and wealth gospel?
Some do. The prosperity gospel is not a required tenet of either conservative or liberal evangelism. It’s a subset, and hardly accepted by the majority.

Certainly not by the same percentages as those who voted for Trump.
 
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votes they have not
They got 2 Dems to side with them. If all Repubs had voted for it, the votes they would have.

Repubs have the numbers. They didn’t follow through.

And dismissing the bloated budget that passed as due to rinos is dodging the fact that it got signed by Chief Swamp Drainer, himself.
 
And dismissing the bloated budget that passed as due to rinos is dodging the fact that it got signed by Chief Swamp Drainer, himself.
yet, he says he will curtail spending and especially some for pph. we shall see
They got 2 Dems to side with them. If all Repubs had voted for it, the votes they would have.
would they? how many votes are required to end filibusters on legislation? hmm…
 
I have a question.

Why would anyone think that secular persons, ex-Catholics, ex-Christians, atheists, agnostics, and so forth would listen to any argument from the pro-Trump Christians, about abortion, divorce, and so forth?

Why would they believe that this group is anything but relativistic in their moral applications?
 
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Why would anyone think that secular persons, ex-Catholics, ex-Christians, atheists, agnostics, and so forth would listen to any argument from the pro-Trump Christians, about abortion, divorce, and so forth?

Why would they believe that this group is anything but relativistic in their moral applications?
why would they listen to anti-trump christians about the same issues?

they will find fault with this group and all christians no matter what they say or do.
Who makes the rules in Senate proceedings regarding filibuster?
they are weak and won’t change it even though as soon as the dems are in power they probably will.
 
Public poll:
For those who are upset with Trump voters, Trump voters should have ___ in 2016:
  • Voted for Hillary Clinton
  • Voted for Jill Stein
  • Voted for Gary Johnson
  • Voted for someone else
  • Stayed home
0 voters
 
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they will find fault with this group and all christians no matter what they say or do.
This. I’m no fan of Trump but this is blatantly obvious.
The funny thing is, they should be happy. They should see those awful Evangelicals as less judgemental now. After all, separation of church and state, blah, blah. They should be electing a President and not a Pastor and so on. Be careful for what you wish for I suppose.
Also, most evangelicals didn’t support Trump in the primaries. Most Evangelicals used to be split between Republicans and Democrats until the Democrats started a campaign of hate against Evangelicals.
 
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why would they listen to anti-trump christians about the same issues?

they will find fault with this group and all christians no matter what they say or do.
This is a tacit acknowledgment of my point. Contrary to your supposition that non-Christians wouldn’t ever listen to Christisns, there are always people searching for spiritual truth.

Would they consider Trump’s evangelical supporters as witness to the Truth?

Doubtful.
Romans 2:22 - 24

22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?

23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
 
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there are always people searching for spiritual truth.
it is the holy spirit who brings people to God, not any man.
Would they consider Trump’s evangelical supporters as witness to the Truth?
i don’t know how someone voted when i lesson to their sermon, they aren’t talking about trump. if they are following a preachers politics, they will agree or disagree with the preacher depending on their politics.
 
This. I’m no fan of Trump but this is blatantly obvious.
The funny thing is, they should be happy. They should see those awful Evangelicals as less judgemental now. After all, separation of church and state, blah, blah. They should be electing a President and not a Pastor and so on. Be careful for what you wish for I suppose.
I agree, be careful what you wish for. Evangelical Christians overwhelmingly supported Trump, not because he was a pastor. He is emphatically not. Perhaps not even Christian, but that’s between him and God.

I agree that Christians have had fading influence. But they still had a pretty consistent voice on values voting in the past.

Who they voted for this time was someone who promised to give them back some political power. They took that deal.

For weal or for woe, as they say.
 
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