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Jump4Joy
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Why don’t you feel as white males are privileged?
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Jump4Joy
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Fair enough
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abucs
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It depends what you mean by privileged and I would ask you to consider why you are tying ‘privilege’ to race and gender…
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Jump4Joy
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Historically other genders and races haven’t had the same opportunity to vote, fight in wars, etc compared to the white man. I am not saying all white men are privileged. In our American culture, landowning white male have historically had more privileges. They were never denied the right to vote, run for president, separate but equal favored whites during the segregation era. A black school was not equivalent to a white school. White men didn’t have to give up their seat and sit at the back of the bus if a person of color boarded. Men don’t complain about stereotypical roles in Hollywood or being too told to act along side a woman the same age. 35 is too old for a woman in Hollywood to act as a love interest for 50 something year old male costar. Most nudes scenes are catered to appeal to men.
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abucs
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Hello Jump4Joy, there is a lot there but may I suggest it is coming from a certain narrow perspective.
So if you look to voting it was men who fought for the vote in Europe. Most time they were killed but occasionally they won and got to form their own communities free of aristocracy and the vote was based on the wealth contributed to the communities finances. That is entirely fair. If these men fought for the right to control their own produce then you cannot fault them for giving the vote to people who produced. At that time it was men for a variety of reasons. We can talk about this more if you like but we should all be thankful to these men for this big progression in society. I think it is incorrect to see this as a man privilege thing. As I said, we can talk about this more if you like.
onto race.
So if you look to voting it was men who fought for the vote in Europe. Most time they were killed but occasionally they won and got to form their own communities free of aristocracy and the vote was based on the wealth contributed to the communities finances. That is entirely fair. If these men fought for the right to control their own produce then you cannot fault them for giving the vote to people who produced. At that time it was men for a variety of reasons. We can talk about this more if you like but we should all be thankful to these men for this big progression in society. I think it is incorrect to see this as a man privilege thing. As I said, we can talk about this more if you like.
onto race.
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abucs
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I am from Australia of Irish background. My parents are Irish and I was brought up in times of the Troubles in Northern Ireland. I can list whole litanies of alleged injustices by ‘the British’. In fact I was brought up to see them similar as some in your country are now taught to see white men’. That is why I get so passionate about it because I believe it is a great evil masquerading as justice. My justice excused the most terrible things because I was taught to see a certain group as the ‘privileged enemy’. People who only had good things because they took them from people like me. I think this way of thinking is a great evil and we can talk more about this if you like.
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abucs
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I have to go now but if you like I would also like to talk about this.
I think Hollywood is very much its own world and is actually fast falling in popularity with the audiences. Men do complain about stereotypes in movies. The hopeless single father is one.
In theory film is dependent of a customer base for profitability. Also a man at 35 is not going to have a family with a woman in her fifties but with the reverse it is possible. That is just biology. As media barriers are lowered there is more and more scope for different types of movies to be made and they are being made. Their profitability will be based on people’s willingness to watch them.
I think Hollywood is very much its own world and is actually fast falling in popularity with the audiences. Men do complain about stereotypes in movies. The hopeless single father is one.
In theory film is dependent of a customer base for profitability. Also a man at 35 is not going to have a family with a woman in her fifties but with the reverse it is possible. That is just biology. As media barriers are lowered there is more and more scope for different types of movies to be made and they are being made. Their profitability will be based on people’s willingness to watch them.
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Ender
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The claim of “white male privilege” is based entirely on historical examples. There is no sense in which it is true today, at least not in the US.Historically other genders and races haven’t had the same opportunity to vote, fight in wars, etc compared to the white man. I am not saying all white men are privileged. In our American culture, landowning white male have historically had more privileges.
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Forever and ever, amen?The voting is done. Donald Trump is President.
( NOT Hillary )
I’d almost go along with a Trump presidency-for-life if it meant no more 2+ year campaigns.
Most other nations have a campaign process of 8 weeks or less. Ours goes on for years.
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I’m afraid that Trump will increase the irreligious trend. One, because a particular segment of his support is comprised of older, white males who’ve watched their jobs disappear due to automation and industry changes. Many of three are not college-educated, married, and are economically stressed.will trump as bad and foul mouth as he is, turn it around for the religious people? he hasn’t made it worse, yet…
Believe it or not, religious practice is increasingly correlated with marriage and college education.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/518340/
Secondly, because many evangelicals and Catholics supported him, their endorsement of Trump despite his moral failings and caustic attitude, will mean that their own moral authority is questioned. The GOP and evangelicals used to talk about the Moral Majority, and would heavily criticize politicians, whose personal and public lives were seen as scandalous.
Now, they usually either make excuses for Trump, or attempt diversion by pointing out the faults of HRC.
I’m grateful that we avoided an HRC presidency, but at what cost to national dignity, unity, and morality?
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Jump4Joy
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Another board a person claimed it never existed in history. Idk what to think of CAF conservatives.
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IWantGod
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Only a miracle of God or a revolution is going to overturn the right to abortion and the right to gay marriage because these rights are an inevitable expression of secular politics. The very nature of the system has to be changed if you want a legally enforced Christian Utopia.Don’t bother voting if you aren’t going to keep praying for these issues yourself. Catholics would never need to vote if instead we all did a Novena leading up to election day and fasted. We don’t think of that so here we are.
It will never be changed by voting, so vote for issues that actually have a practical chance of being changed.
This idea that the party you vote for means that you are either for or agaisn’t supporting abortion rights is a fallacy.
The bottom line, there are people who would like other people to think that they are committing a mortal sin by voting for a candidate that is pro-choice so that they can control the power of the vote. It’s painfully obvious, It’s deceptive politics and i don’t believe that any good Christian would align themselves with those kinds of tactics. I don’t believe that changing abortion laws is the real agenda, it’s about power, and people are gullible enough to buy into it.
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Jump4Joy
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Further elaborate on why you think it’s deceptive.
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It’s deceptive because people are forced to vote for a candidate, that does not support what they feel would be good for society, based on the singular issue of abortion. The problem is, voting for a pro-life candidate will not change the fact that a woman’s right to choose is a legally protected human right. But their are other moral issues that voting might actually have a practical effect on. And yet a Catholic conservative would like you to believe that you have committed a mortal sin if you don’t vote pro-life. If you think you are committing a mortal sin voting for a pro-choice candidate despite his stance on other moral issues. then there is only one party you are ever going to vote for regardless of their stance on other moral issues. That’s why i think it’s deceptive politics because it based on the fallacy that voting pro-life is the only moral option, when in reality whether or not you vote for a pro-life candidate has no causal effect on the life or death of unborn children…Further elaborate on why you think it’s deceptive.
It’s deception.And politicians are using that deception to enslave your vote.
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i don’t think so. it was more like hold your nose and pull the lever. i don’t know why people think those who voted for trump buy-in to trumpism lock-stock and barrel. he was the best of the worst.because many evangelicals and Catholics supported him, their endorsement of Trump despite his moral failings and caustic attitude, will mean that their own moral authority is questioned.
yes, they defend him, but just because he is attacked so often and a lot of the attacks are really meaningless to what is going on in the world.
it was gone under obama, we were the laughing stock of the world.national dignity, unity, and morality
you may not be for it but the dems are. we may not see a repeal of abortion law but a vote for a dem is a vote for extended abortion rights and a vote for government paid abortion. it is their party platform.This idea that the party you vote for means that you are either for or agaisn’t supporting abortion rights is a fallacy.
is that what you want? it is what you will be getting if you vote dem.
how are the dems helping the poor and homeless? all they are doing is buying votes with money. they are not helping the truly needy. middle class and corporate welfare show what the real intent is.
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Jump4Joy
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I have never fully agreed with the idea of having to solely vote for a candidate based on that singular issue like abortion. Some say not voting Republican or democratic is a wasted vote
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I disagree with three of the four things you listed.
I don’t think a catholic, in good conscience, can vote for the Democratic Party.
I don’t think a catholic, in good conscience, can vote for the Democratic Party.
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God, if in us, is in every aspect of our lives. He is the breath, I breathe. If He wishes us to be like Him, how can we not act as He would. He gives us wisdom to Balance our lives. We are IN the world but not OF the world.
Separation of church and state was created BECAUSE... The country was forced to be the faith of the King! He changes, you change. If you didn’t change, heads could roll.
The first amendment says,
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Ppl stop reading at: ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION. Just like the King and his ppl.Ppl sure were prohibiting my exercise thereof!
Our lives, are a tapestry. All the threads are interwoven. It’s neat up front. (in alignment w God). It’s Chaos in the back. (our fighting His will).
God, open our eyes, Lord. Let us see You.
In Christ’s Love
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abortion isn’t the only thing wrong with the dem platformI have never fully agreed with the idea of having to solely vote for a candidate based on that singular issue like abortion.
how do catholics reconcile their catholic faith with these democratic platform items:
condoms and birth control
the morning after pill on demand
gay marriage
government funded abortion
lgbt rights trump religious freedom
transgender bathrooms and showers
contraception mandate against faith-based groups like little sisters of the poor
no role of religion in government
appoint pro-abortion judges
no or limited school choice
etc.
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You say they held their noses, and yet they defend him. And not just for minor offenses.I don’t think so. it was more like hold your nose and pull the lever. i don’t know why people think those who voted for trump buy-in to trumpism lock-stock and barrel. he was the best of the worst.
yes, they defend him, but just because he is attacked so often and a lot of the attacks are really meaningless to what is going on in the world.
I agree Trump is attacked constantly, but then, he’s not innocent himself. He got elected by attacking his opponents and name-calling.
Evangelism is tarnishing its witness because of its hypocrisy in condemning Bill Clinton for his sexual sins, but are giving a pass to the “p----y grabbing,” thrice married, adulterer.
I don’t think it’s an accident that Bill and Donald were such good friends prior to the election. Birds of a feather, you know.
In any case, here are some articles reporting on the issue.
A complete flip-flop’
One rapid change Jones said he has noticed is the softening of evangelical attitudes on morality.
In 2011, PRRI asked evangelicals if they believed a politician who commits immoral acts in their private lives can still govern ethically. Only 30 percent agreed, Jones said.
When asked again in 2016, that figure jumped to 72 percent. Jones said he couldn’t believe such a massive swing could occur in only five years.
“I sent it back to our research team. I said this can’t be right. Run it again.”
Jones said he came to realize that a “massive sea change” had occurred among conservative Christians. They had abandoned their traditional self-understanding as “values voters” to become “nostalgia voters” attracted by Trump’s promise to restore their churches and faith to power.
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