What is Black Liberation Theology?

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vern_humphrey said:
Really?

Liberation theology seeks to use the power of the state to force change in property and other relationships. It is simply old Marxism in new skins.

This is what then-Cardinal Ratzinger said about it:
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Yes really, and again you are flatly wrong. You need to read beyond one Pope if you would understand the theology. There was a recent meeting of liberation theologians wherein the libertion theology of Appalachian liberation theology was discussed. This theology has been ongoing for some time.

You worry a lot it seems about your “stuff” being taken by others either through taxes or by power grabs. I’d suggest the government is the one you should fear, not poor theologians who are trying to better the lives of people who’s land and livehood has been taken from them. (And again,that has to do with Latin America) I don’t know as feminist theology is interested in land much.
 
SpiritMeadow said:
Yes really, and again you are flatly wrong. You need to read beyond one Pope if you would understand the theology. There was a recent meeting of liberation theologians wherein the libertion theology of Appalachian liberation theology was discussed. This theology has been ongoing for some time.

You worry a lot it seems about your “stuff” being taken by others either through taxes or by power grabs. I’d suggest the government is the one you should fear, not poor theologians who are trying to better the lives of people who’s land and livehood has been taken from them. (And again,that has to do with Latin America) I don’t know as feminist theology is interested in land much.
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What a mish-mash of disconnected ideas!

Liberation theology is as Cardinal Ratzinger said it was.
 
vern_humphrey said:
What a mish-mash of disconnected ideas!

Liberation theology is as Cardinal Ratzinger said it was.
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What a failure to present a single fact! LOL…Actually I agree that Ratzinger is correct in some respects. Again, it is not to be read as a ban, if it were, it would be. I’m surprised you don’t bother to learn about what is going on in Appalachia even.
 
SpiritMeadow said:
What a failure to present a single fact! LOL…Actually I agree that Ratzinger is correct in some respects. Again, it is not to be read as a ban, if it were, it would be. I’m surprised you don’t bother to learn about what is going on in Appalachia even.
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I’m well aware of “what is going on in Appalachia.” And Liberation Theology is what Cardinal Ratzinger said it is.
 
vern_humphrey said:
I’m well aware of “what is going on in Appalachia.” And Liberation Theology is what Cardinal Ratzinger said it is.
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Vern you know nothing about either Appalachian liberation theology or any other kind. You can only emit one sentence. “It is whatever C. Ratzinger said it was.” That was btw quite a few years ago. Why do you enter into discussions when you are bereft of any knowledge of the subject? Enough, as I said, you have nothing to contribute but a soundbite you picked up somewhere and copied.
 
SpiritMeadow said:
Vern you know nothing about either Appalachian liberation theology or any other kind. You can only emit one sentence. “It is whatever C. Ratzinger said it was.” That was btw quite a few years ago. Why do you enter into discussions when you are bereft of any knowledge of the subject? Enough, as I said, you have nothing to contribute but a soundbite you picked up somewhere and copied.
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My, what a spite-filled post.😉

I know very well what is going on in Applachia – which is to a limited extent mirrored in the Ozarks.

Cardinal Ratzinger (I don’t know who “C. Ratzinger” is) was right. “Liberation Theology’s” marxist roots have poisoned it.

The Arians reworked their doctrine to allow them to recite the Nicene Creed, but remained Arians, nevertheless. Similarly, proponents of “Liberation Theology” have reworked their “doctrine” but it remains at heart what is was in the beginning.
 
vern_humphrey said:
My, what a spite-filled post.😉

I know very well what is going on in Applachia – which is to a limited extent mirrored in the Ozarks.

Cardinal Ratzinger (I don’t know who “C. Ratzinger” is) was right. “Liberation Theology’s” marxist roots have poisoned it.

The Arians reworked their doctrine to allow them to recite the Nicene Creed, but remained Arians, nevertheless. Similarly, proponents of “Liberation Theology” have reworked their “doctrine” but it remains at heart what is was in the beginning.
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It simply stated a fact. You do know absolutely nothing of Liberation theology. where it started for instance, who proclaimed it, who adopted it, who died for it. Nothing. None of your posts on any subject here ever give anything but your opinion. You never site to any facts, just make fun of everyone else’s with zero citation in argument. You can claim all you want that you know stuff, but until you start citing documents, it remains nothing more than your knee jerk reactions either to the poster or to the subject matter.
 
SpiritMeadow said:
It simply stated a fact. You do know absolutely nothing of Liberation theology. where it started for instance, who proclaimed it, who adopted it, who died for it. Nothing. None of your posts on any subject here ever give anything but your opinion. You never site to any facts, just make fun of everyone else’s with zero citation in argument. You can claim all you want that you know stuff, but until you start citing documents, it remains nothing more than your knee jerk reactions either to the poster or to the subject matter.
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My, what a spite-filled post. Nothing but accusations and ad hominem.

Note that in the previous post, I cited Cardinal Ratzinger – hardly a matter of “never citing any facts.”
 
vern_humphrey said:
My, what a spite-filled post. Nothing but accusations and ad hominem.

Note that in the previous post, I cited Cardinal Ratzinger – hardly a matter of “never citing any facts.”
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Finally we get to the crux of the problem. You did not cite to Ratzinger, you alluded to him, and claimed what he said. You cited to nothing, not a specific statement or document. Your conclusions are simply wrong. If you are referring to the Pontifical Council on Biblical research, you’re statements are simply inaccurate. In that document Ratzinger does not claim the entire genre of theology is wrong, it relates that certain parts of it are.

Your attempt to conflate LT with soviets shows that you have no idea what LT is all about, you have nothing but the soundbites you pick up here and there. You need to actually read something about it other than a snippet from the PBC.
 
SpiritMeadow said:
Finally we get to the crux of the problem. You did not cite to Ratzinger, you alluded to him, and claimed what he said.
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Nope. I posted an excerpt from Cardinal Ratzinger’s Preliminary Notes on Liberation Theology:

christendom-awake.org/pages/ratzinger/liberationtheol.htm
  1. An analysis of the phenomenon of liberation theology reveals that it constitutes a fundamental threat to the faith of the Church. At the same time it must be borne in mind that no error could persist unless it contained a grain of truth. Indeed, an error is all the more dangerous, the greater that grain of truth is, for then the temptation it exerts is all the greater.
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Furthermore, the error concerned would not have been able to wrench that piece of the truth to its own use if that truth had been adequately lived and witnessed to in its proper place (in the faith of the Church). So, in denouncing error and pointing to dangers in liberation theology, we must always be ready to ask what truth is latent in the error and how it can be given its rightful place, how it can be released from error’s monopoly.
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vern_humphrey said:
Nope. I posted an excerpt from Cardinal Ratzinger’s Preliminary Notes on Liberation Theology:

christendom-awake.org/pages/ratzinger/liberationtheol.htm
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Okay Vern, been there done that. you need to reread the first paragraph. That sets out very clearly that not all liberation theologies are incorrect, only those that adopt marxist philosophy as a means a praxis. You need to move up to more modern documents as well, especially those written by Ratzinger. This is not even an official document, much less dogma, but in any case you are misreading as usual.

But good boy, you are now citing sources!
 
SpiritMeadow said:
Okay Vern, been there done that. you need to reread the first paragraph. That sets out very clearly that not all liberation theologies are incorrect, only those that adopt marxist philosophy as a means a praxis. You need to move up to more modern documents as well, especially those written by Ratzinger. This is not even an official document, much less dogma, but in any case you are misreading as usual.

But good boy, you are now citing sources!
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What a typical rant.😉
 
SpiritMeadow said:
Okay Vern, been there done that. you need to reread the first paragraph. That sets out very clearly that not all liberation theologies are incorrect, only those that adopt marxist philosophy as a means a praxis. You need to move up to more modern documents as well, especially those written by Ratzinger. This is not even an official document, much less dogma, but in any case you are misreading as usual.

But good boy, you are now citing sources!
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The point is that liberation theology in general has marxist tendencies,even if they are not plainly stated or obvious. Liberation theology tends to exalt ethnic communities,in the spirit of “We are the People of God”,above the authority of the Church. It is a theology which encourages a self-justifying attitude among communities and it is entirely focused upon fighting for social and economic change. As far as liberation theologians are concerned,fighting for social and economic justice is the essence of the gospel. They take certain passages from the Bible and papal documents,and documents from Vatican 2,and interpret them as invitations to social protest and activism,sometimes revolution. Liberation theology tells the people what they want to hear: “This is what you deserve. God wills that you take it for yourselves.” It is all about “the movement”,which has a life and a will of its own apart from the Church.

Cesar Chavez used to use images of Mary of Guadalupe as a rallying point for his migrant workers’ movement,as if the movement had Mary’s blessing.
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Spiritmeadow,

The point is that liberation theology in general has marxist tendencies,even if they are not plainly stated or obvious. Liberation theology tends to exalt ethnic communities,in the spirit of “We are the People of God”,above the authority of the Church. It is a theology which encourages a self-justifying attitude among communities and it is entirely focused upon fighting for social and economic change. As far as liberation theologians are concerned,fighting for social and economic justice is the essence of the gospel. They take certain passages from the Bible and papal documents,and documents from Vatican 2,and interpret them as invitations to social protest and activism,sometimes revolution. Liberation theology tells the people what they want to hear: “This is what you deserve. God wills that you take it for yourselves.” It is all about “the movement”,which has a life and a will of its own apart from the Church.

Cesar Chavez used to use images of Mary of Guadalupe as a rallying point for his migrant workers’ movement,as if the movement had Mary’s blessing.
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Qwikness said:
What is Black Liberation Theology? It seems they believe in two different Gods. One for the powerful and one for the poor.

Who is this Cone person who is the author of it?

I ask because I don’t know. Everytime I hear Liberation Theology, I hear the Church is against it. Now I’m starting to hear about Black Liberation Theology. Are they related? Are they friendly?
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Go on google—“Israelite Heritage” also “Hebrews of Africa”

God Bless
 
Contarini said:
No, except in the sense that they would say that the religion of the powerful is idolatry! For instance, the religion of ancient Egypt affirmed the hierarchy of Egyptian society. Pharaohs were seen as living gods. In that sense there is a “god of the powerful” who is a false god.

Apparently it has been dogmatically declared by the Magisterium of Americanism that adherence to black liberation theology (or even having belonged to a church whose pastor adhered to it) is a vile heresy punishable by excommunication from the ranks of those-who-may-be-president. But I do not think that the Catholic Church has taken a similar stance!

Edwin
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I have found this on Google–" Israelite Heritage" and Hebrews of Africa"–interesting God Bless
 
Masada said:
Thanks for the link on NYT article on Black Liberation Theology. Although most of the black preachers mentioned came from protestant denominations, it is clear to Catholics that liberation theology as a generic theology has been debunked many times by Vatican and no less than JPII. Preachings based solely on slaves being liberated Moses-vs-Pharaoh style run the risk of being myopic and contextually challenged.
From the pulpit view, there is a tendency to exploit it for personal or other motives that have nothing to do with salvation of the soul.
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I fouond this on the web google called—“Israelite Heritage” and another one called—Hebrews of Africa. I ask myself while at mass in our Catholic Church was there is no black brothers and sisters in our church? Interesting.

God Bless
 
vern_humphrey said:
That’s akin to the claim that what happened in the Soviet Union, East Germany, Red China, and all other communist nations “isn’t real communism.” In fact, communism is what it is – a system for creating bloody, brutal dictatorships.

And that’s what “Liberation Theorlgy” is – communism hiding behind a verneer of Christianity.
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Oh please go on google and it is called----- " Israelite Heritage" and another one is called------ “Hebrews of Africa”

Very interesting and explains why I do not see Blacks in our Catholic Churches and did more research even in our own home town and why there are all little Black Churches in our area!!!

God Bless
 
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