What is God?

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Moonstruck888 said:
I’ve yet to see any compelling evidence of that.
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You would be correct in saying “you” haven’t seen it. Many others have. The evidence exists its out here. Look into a bit I think you’ll be very surprized. If you want some places to get started PM me and I’ll send them to you. Other than that its a OP thing;)
 
GaryTaylor said:
You would be correct in saying “you” haven’t seen it. Many others have. The evidence exists its out here. Look into a bit I think you’ll be very surprized. If you want some places to get started PM me and I’ll send them to you. Other than that its a OP thing;)
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why not share with the rest of us so we can see the validity of your argument?
 
GaryTaylor said:
You would be correct in saying “you” haven’t seen it. Many others have. The evidence exists its out here. Look into a bit I think you’ll be very surprized. If you want some places to get started PM me and I’ll send them to you. Other than that its a OP thing;)
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I have reviewed evidence of these phenomena. I found the evidence at best… Incomplete. Certainly not close to satisfying my criteria for belief and usually of limited scientific value.

You’ll find very few studies of this kind of phenomena that survive the peer review process of the academic arena.
 
tonyrey said:
A loophole!

Another loophole!
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This isn’t a court of law…

It’s a discussion forum. In my opinion, there is no reason to think that we are the only conscious lifefroms in the Universe. Other lifeforms may be very different from us. A straightforward answer to a straightforward question.

It gives me no great pleasure to point this out, but you’re a melodramatic dunce…
 
lemondiesel said:
why not share with the rest of us so we can see the validity of your argument?
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I’m being polite, but I believe my friend. Its “you” thats seeking this knowledge. Why should I do the footwork for you? I pointed you in the “correct” scientific direction since this was the thought process chose for the argument “science”. Research it you’ll find it. And its not the OP. Which I also politly mentioned twice now.
 
Marc_Anthony said:
I hate the term “your God”. There is no “your God”. God is the God of everybody. Muslims, Jews, and Christians acknowledge His existence. To a certain extent, so do Hindus. Whether or not other people BELIEVE in God is irrelevant if He actually exists.

Here’s an answer: God is the Greatest Conceivable Being.
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I think when most people say “your god,” what they mean is, “your CONCEPT of God.” In discussions of monotheism, I don’t think anyone is taking the position that God only has dominion over a small percentage of the population. I think people are just discussing the differences in how we perceive God.

It’s sort of like if there are two historians, each writing a biography on George Washington. I might say, “This historian’s George Washington is different from that historian’s George Washington.” Obviously, I don’t mean to imply that there are two George Washintons. It’s just a shorthand way of saying, “This historian’s analysis of GW is different from that historians’s analysis of the same GW.”
 
Shawn_Ravenfire said:
I think when most people say “your god,” what they mean is, “your CONCEPT of God.” In discussions of monotheism, I don’t think anyone is taking the position that God only has dominion over a small percentage of the population. I think people are just discussing the differences in how we perceive God.
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You’re quite correct…
 
Moonstruck888 said:
In my opinion, there is no reason to think that we are the only conscious life forms in the Universe. Other lifeforms may be very different from us. A straightforward answer to a straightforward question.

It gives me no great pleasure to point this out, but you’re a melodramatic dunce…
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Please do not bring hostility here when you have not presented any evidence yourself in showing no existence of God.

Science will reach a point in the not to distant future where it is more “religious” than the church is. Science is a God in itself these days. People can’t seem to grasp how well science and spirituality go together. Most mystic occult teachings go perfectly hand in hand with science.

You also seem to hold the ignorant view towards religious people. Do you read the Bible as if they are literal stories, to which there is no grounds of logic or science involved? Only when you can read between the lines, the teachings are all logical and in most cases scientific. Some of them are “unknowable” in the physical senses, but it’s the same as making a blind man believe there is such a thing as color and light, just because he cannot see it doesn’t mean it’s not there. The same goes for people who are “clairvoyant”, it is impossible for them to show most people the reality of it, and there are many impostors out for wealth, but you will not fully know it until you’ve experienced it yourself. When science comes so far to begin scratching the surface of the “unknown” then people will acknowledge it.

Just because you aren’t able to grasp it yet, doesn’t mean it’s not real. :tsktsk:

edit: To your universe statement, it is silly to think our universe is the only one, and God being the Infinite Eternal Being that universes bang out of, and the true UNIverse (meaning the infinite space that ALL things are contained within) is the being who causes this bang.

Are you making the mistake in thinking that a “deity” is some kind of man who has created everything? God is the Infinite Eternal UNIverse, because It has an intelligence/consciousness to it, in the sense that it can do various things. Every atom has a form of very slight intelligence in that it behaves the way it is supposed to, there is “life” in it. There is nothing dead in this Universe.
GaryTaylor said:
I’m being polite, but I believe my friend. Its “you” thats seeking this knowledge. Why should I do the footwork for you? I pointed you in the “correct” scientific direction since this was the thought process chose for the argument “science”. Research it you’ll find it. And its not the OP. Which I also politly mentioned twice now.
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What if I wished to learn more on this issue to help back your argument? :hug1:
 
Thoughts, hueristic ideas or concepts dont have size and matter and yet they exist, right? Any logical person has to admit that there are non material realities. God is a spirit. You cant even prove that matter exists. The terms you listed as verrifiable arent even veriffiable, nothing physical can be veriffiable. The only thing that can be proven without a doubt is that I am a thinking being and only to myself can I prove this. Descartes “I think therefore Iam”. So even you have alot of faith in things that cannot be proven, whether you want to admit it or not.
 
Moonstruck888 said:
I am a self motivating automaton constructed from protein, water and electrolyes, based on information contained in a self replicating nucleic acid molecule, a transitional phase in a nested cascade.

What is God. In those kind of verifiable terms?
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Thoughts, hueristic ideas or concepts dont have size and matter and yet they exist, right? Any logical person has to admit that there are non material realities. God is a spirit. You cant even prove that matter exists. The terms you listed as verrifiable arent even veriffiable, nothing physical can be veriffiable. The only thing that can be proven without a doubt is that I am a thinking being and only to myself can I prove this. Descartes “I think therefore Iam”. So even you have alot of faith in things that cannot be proven, whether you want to admit it or not.
 
If He exists, he’s your God.

You don’t believe he exists. But if He does, he’s everybody’s God, whether you like it or not.

EDIT: Perhps you mean different concepts of God. But that’s an altogether different thing from different “Gods”. I dislike that term since it SEEMS to imply, even if it in actuality doesn’t, as if God does not have authority over all, or that if you don’t follow a certain religion, that God has no dominion over you. This is not true. If God exists, he has dominion over everybody.

It’s a dislike of the term, really.
 
What is God? To be honest, this question would be answered differently depending on the theist’s religion. A Hindu would have a different response than a Christian, who would in turn have a different response to the question than a pre-Christian European pagan (i.e, Greek, Celtic, Norse, etc.) As a former Atheist, I hope to answer this question in a satisfactory way.
**In the simplest terms, a god is simply something that is worshiped. For some it is the triune Christian God, for others, nature, and yet others money, science, ego, or humanity might fulfill the role of a god. Religion is a common manifestation of worship of a god, but one’s innermost thoughts and lifestyle truly exhibits what the individual truly worships, for worship is not a Sunday thing, but rather a daily thing, something that occurs constantly during life. It is in human nature to worship something, but this nature manifests itself in many ways. **
There is no use discussing what a particular religion’s deity is if outside the theist’s religion. For example: The God I worship – I will not speak for others – is love personified, on the simplest level. If the commandments laid down in the Christian Bible were followed in the truest sense within a society, such a society would look strikingly similar to the vision of the utopian socialists that preceded Marx. As such, it is a noble goal but largely impossible on a grand scale, and highly improbable on an individual scale. Oddly, I converted to Catholicism some time after discovering Marx and his purer counterparts. Prior to this discovery, I subscribed to the social Darwinism of Ayn Rand’s Objectivist philosophy, which in turn was a reaction to my dissatisfaction with my Baptist upbringing. I say this because to understand one’s faith, one must understand first the individual who believes. So, perhaps the question is not ‘What is God?’ but rather ‘Who am I?’ For once you understand who you are, you will be able to define what it is you worship – what you claim as god. What is it that you value most? That is your god.
 
Ignatius said:
Actually, it should be who is God.
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Actually, it shouldn’t be. “Who” implies that the deity of “God” is some sort of man, which he is not. God is not the who or the what, He is the why.
 
Moonstruck888 said:
Well, I’ve asked a simple question, what is God?

So far, I’ve been answered with vague riddles, abstractions, and glib one liners. That’s not just on this thread, but from every deist I’ve ever spoken to or read the words of on this subject

If you can think about what God is, then why don’t you explain what God is? Tell us your thoughts.

Incidentally, I can think about a teapot orbiting Neptune. It doesn’t mean there is actually any possibility worth considering of it.
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You are correct in implying that “What God is”, is beyond a simple statement, but only to one as yourself who does not believe. To a Christian there are many simple statements which explain what God is, such as, God is Love, God is peace, God is mercy etc.
However, to you I suggest you “simply” let me introduce you to HIM. In HIS Person. Face-to-face. If you are truly a seeker of God, then you will find HIM when you seek HIM. So if you have the courage and the desire then please do the following: Call a few Catholic parishes and inquire if they have a Blessed Sacrament Chapel or room. Go to the one nearest your residence. Enter, sit, and stare at GOD on the small altar before you and ask HIM, “GOD, if that is WHAT YOU ARE, then prove it to me”. “Prove to me that YOU exist”.
GOD will not be rushed, so sit for 1 hour, and return as often you would like. GOD makes HIMSELF available 24/7. There may be a code to the door, so knock if it is locked, and GOD will send HIS servant to open it for you.
So here is your invitation to go and see WHAT GOD IS. Please go, HE is waiting for you.
 
Marc_Anthony said:
If He exists, he’s your God.

You don’t believe he exists. But if He does, he’s everybody’s God, whether you like it or not.
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He is my God the same way that Wotan, Zeus or the Great Joo Joo on top of Mount Everest are your Gods.
EDIT: Perhps you mean different concepts of God. But that’s an altogether different thing from different “Gods”. I dislike that term since it SEEMS to imply, even if it in actuality doesn’t, as if God does not have authority over all, or that if you don’t follow a certain religion, that God has no dominion over you. This is not true. If God exists, he has dominion over everybody.
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It’s a dislike of the term, really.
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I take dominion from one person, friend, and one person only. Me.
 
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