What is happening to America today?

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That has been discussed ad nauseum, and is pretty easy to understand. There were 16 candidates splitting votes. Trump certainly benefitted from that. Add up the non-Trump votes from the primaries and you get an idea of who may not have wanted Trump per se.

Ultimately, I don’t believe a Cruz could have gotten over the finish line against Hillary, and he was my choice (though I love Rand Paul as well). I am thankful Trump was elected.
 
EmilyAlexandra said:
Clinton?
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What Clinton did was more acceptable to you than what was presented in those videos? That is, the words Trump spoke make him an “absolutely awful human being, not fit to be president” – as compared to Bill Clinton’s actions while in office?
It doesn’t seem like a consistent standard and perhaps there is something more in your thought on this.
Presidents have unjustly gone to war (could be argued) killing thousands. Crude comments to a reporter are worse than that?
 
Bill_B_NY said:
You’re pro-choice?
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EmilyAlexandra said:
I had not in fact considered the abortion angle. If Trump is pro-life, I suppose that is one respect in which he is not nihilistic. Of course, his conversion to the pro-life cause did come rather late in life and coincided rather conveniently with his bid for the presidency…
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I think he asked you whether you were pro-choice…
 
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JonNC said:
I was thinking about the economy pre-Covid under Trump as a very positive advantage
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The economy had shown signs of weakness before vivid-19. Growing number of farm bankruptcies, inverted yield curve, calls for Fed lowering interest rates, etc.
 
Not at all, but seeing as how American posters often got chided for discussing things like BREXIT, seems odd that non-Americans would e chiming in on American politics and society. Kind of works both ways - I always said let anyone say whatever they want.
 
ProVobis said:
I would qualify that by calling them American left. Some of these rights aren’t absolute.
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Okay.
No rights are absolute, but rights, by definition, are antecedent to government. They do not come from or are created by government.
Even if a constitutional amendment was passed that repealed the 1st amendment, the rights would not end, only the constitutional protection of them.
 
ProVobis said:
The economy had shown signs of weakness before vivid-19. Growing number of farm bankruptcies, inverted yield curve, calls for Fed lowering interest rates, etc.
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There are always signs of weakness in an economy, but the overall health of the economy was solid.
 
ProVobis said:
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JonNC:
but the overall health of the economy was solid.
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It appears to be solid but that’s mostly as a result of the Fed policies imo. As well as other central banks.
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That and better tax and regulations policies. And, most importantly, the American people
 
PaulinVA said:
I blame the Republican Party for allowing the election of Trump
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I guess that depends on your definition of the “Republican Party”. The folks in charge? Or the Republican voters?
The candidate I wanted dropped out of the election before my state’s primary.
The candidate I actually voted for dropped out after my state’s primary.

Can you force a person to continue their candidacy after they don’t wanna anymore?

Well anyhow, HRC’s policies and attitude were simply too unacceptable and I voted against her in the November election.
 
Speaking of those “fine” Republican candidates in 2016, they were all flawed and those flaws were up front and center. Consider:

Jeb Bush - too close to his family, pro-immigration neocon, had no energy of his own
Rubio - neocon and part of the Gang of 8 that made the immigration deal with Obama. That pro-immigration stance incensed much of the base of voters in the primaries hence he never got traction.
Cruz - neocon, he did not come off well in the debates
Kasich - another pro-immigration neocon

I could keep going but one should get the idea: a substantial number of Americans no longer wanted the “forever” wars that were and still are an integral part of neocon policies. Sanders was the candidate who espoused this view among the Democrats and he scared the pants off the DNC before finally stepping aside for Hillary. Trump was the only Republican candidate to espouse this view; no other Republican candidate would go against the neocons.

If one wants to vote for Biden, that’s fine, but Biden voters should understand they’re approving the neocon agenda. Because it will return big time to the forefront after having been held back somewhat by Trump since 2016. Democrat voters had the chance to say yes to the anti-war faction, but they turned their backs on Sanders and Gabbard. So be it, they made their bed, they can lay down in it. Like the Trump voters are doing.

One has to look at what the American voters wanted: more control of immigration than was present in the Obama, Bush and Clinton administrations, and an end to the foreign wars. Those were Trump’s major platforms in 2016. No one else argued for them in 2016 like Trump did. Now it can be argued whether Trump was effective on those points, and whether Trump can run on that again. But given what many American voters wanted, Trump’s victory should have not have been the surprise many think it was. It was an attempt by voters to send a message to the elites who run the country, many of whom are never-Trump neocon Republicans who are working as hard as they can to undermine him. Who have even threatened their own version of “cancel culture” to go after Trump supporters and administration figures. To continue even after Biden’s victory so they can make sure that Trump voters never ever get their way again, even for some other candidate.
 
PaulinVA said:
I blame the Republican Party for allowing the election of Trump. There were a lot a very qualified Republican candidates in the primaries, but the RNC totally borked the whole thing.
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You should blame the Democrats for fielding Hillary Clinton. The system was the perfect storm for Trump to be the nominee. Unlike the democratic party, I’d prefer parties not make up debate and nominee rules as they go in an effort to get the person they want.
 
Zzyzx_Road said:
Those were Trump’s major platforms in 2016.
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You forgot to include appointing Justices, who in the end ruled against giving a sitting President immunity from the law which he desperately wanted.
 
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EmilyAlexandra said:
Seriously? I can appreciate that things are bad at the moment, but surely that is a massive exaggeration. The vast majority of polling suggests a comfortable lead for Biden, giving good reason to hope that Trump’s presidency will come to and end on January 20, 2021.
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I and many other “middle Americans” would consider this a tragedy, and the beginning of the end of the United States.

Vice Pres. Biden and his fellow politicians are advocating a program of anti-God, anti-Christian policies that are horrific to contemplate. I hope to God that Vice Pres. Biden is defeated by Pres. Trump, and that the Democrats running for office all over the U.S. are defeated. A huge defeat would hopefully convince them that they need to moderate their extreme positions on so many issues.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
I guess that depends on your definition of the “Republican Party”. The folks in charge? Or the Republican voters?
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Well, the party nominated a person who never got more than 30% or 40% of the voted in the early to mid primaries. He’s got a diehard base, but no one else likes him.
 
Peeps said:
I and many other “middle Americans” would consider this a tragedy, and the beginning of the end of the United States.
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An equal or greater number of Americans consider Trump’s presidency the same way.

So, there’s that.
 
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