What is the difference in Protestants being "saved" and Catholic salvation?
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eazyduzit
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How ridiculous. The. Bible nowhere says that one man may save another by believing for them.
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adrift
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What scripture does state is that baptism replaces circumcision. Circumcision was normally performed on babies. I guess I could be “smart” and say that it isn’t one man believing for another which is true. It isn’t a man but a child that parents are making the decision for just like in circumcision. So basically you are right one man can’t but we aren’t talking about a man.
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PJM
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OK
Thanks
God Bless you
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PJM
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=In His Grace;13293883]If a posters post is really really long like some of yours Patrick
OK
But what does that have to do with the limited space?
God Bless you,
Patrick
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PJM
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THANKS:thumbsup:
God Bless you,
Patrick
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PJM
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My dear friend in Chirst
I have offered you the evidence of our truth; that indeed the Catholic Church that Jesus Himself founded is in fact the sane RCC of today. Here’s another bit of proof.
**“Ignatius of Antioch. The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term “Catholic Church” is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107 to Christians in Smyrna.
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History of the term “Catholic” - Wikipedia, the free …
https://en.wikipedia.org/.../History_of_the_term_"Catholic%2...Wikipedia”
And this from a very uncatholc site
It is now up to you to disprove it
I may be wrong here but I sense a degree of weak faith here. The Holy Spirit has lead you to CAF fora reason. And He is offering you sufficient grace to accept the truth; BUT you have yo be willing in humility to accept it.
God Bless you!
Patrick
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PJM
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So why dear friend did Constantine issue the edit?
The reason was twofold:
1st he had conquered the entire “known word” and now had to find a way to govern all these different people, and in a peaceful ,manner.
- The CATHOLIC Church which suffered SEVERE persecutions; and indeed so much so as to “be driven underground” to secretly practice thee Faith. MUCH historical evidence exist to confirm this fact.
In Mt. 16:18-19 verse 19 has Jesus saying the He was giving THEM through Peter Unlimited Powers of GOVERNANCE [binding a d loosing] means exactly that; and these terms were recognized at Jewish Law as binding.
Walled in cites such as Jerusalem was and is were ruled by a KING; who commonly appointed a Visor who was granted UNLIMITED Powers of Governance of the city and was answerable ONLY to “thee King”. So the fact that even in persecution the Catholic Church had organized governance ought to have been expected.
Constantine took advantage of this structure and co-oped it to maintain order in his kingdom. And only much later, dear death converted to Catholicism.
ALL of these facts are easily researched and confirmed.
As I have repeated 3 times now; it is up to you to disprove what we claim; as I and others have proven it.
God Bless you,
Patrick
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In_His_Grace
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My dear friend in Chirst
I have offered you the evidence of our truth; that indeed the Catholic Church that Jesus Himself founded is in fact the sane RCC of today. Here’s another bit of proof.
**“Ignatius of Antioch. The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term “Catholic Church” is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107 to Christians in Smyrna.
**
History of the term “Catholic” - Wikipedia, the free …
https://en.wikipedia.org/.../History_of_the_term_"Catholic%2...Wikipedia”
And this from a very uncatholc site
It is now up to you to disprove it
I may be wrong here but I sense a degree of weak faith here. The Holy Spirit has lead you to CAF fora reason. And He is offering you sufficient grace to accept the truth; BUT you have yo be willing in humility to accept it.
God Bless you!
Patrick
Yes Patrick, you indeed are wrong. You are equating a persons not converting to Catholicism, not having faith in a church, with having a weak faith in our Creator and Savior. As a Protestant my faith in God has never been stronger.
God bless you as well.
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In_His_Grace
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My dear friend in Chirst
I have offered you the evidence of our truth; that indeed the Catholic Church that Jesus Himself founded is in fact the sane RCC of today. Here’s another bit of proof.
**“Ignatius of Antioch. The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term “Catholic Church” is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107 to Christians in Smyrna.
**
History of the term “Catholic” - Wikipedia, the free …
https://en.wikipedia.org/.../History_of_the_term_"Catholic%2...Wikipedia”
And this from a very uncatholc site
It is now up to you to disprove it
I may be wrong here but I sense a degree of weak faith here. The Holy Spirit has lead you to CAF fora reason. And He is offering you sufficient grace to accept the truth; BUT you have yo be willing in humility to accept it.
God Bless you!
Patrick
Hi Patrick,
I will no longer ask for evidence of your assertions about the Catholic Church. What you believe the Catholic Church to be is a matter of faith while I don’t discount that Catholics do make reasonable arguments for their beliefs from both scripture and history. These discussions always seem to go round and round and round. Have you found peace with God in your faith beliefs as a Catholic? Is Jesus Christ your Lord, your Savior? If so then I’m happy for you and wish you the best.
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pete_29
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Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior of every Catholic. Honestly, I don’t where you get the idea that we don’t believe He is. Spreading this notion is bearing false witness.
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PRmerger
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Strong faith is always a good thing.
But we need to have our faith steeped in truth. So we need to finish the statement, “Faith in…what?”
You stand in the tradition of Apollos, full of vigor and fervor for the Lord, but in need of some gentle theological correction, as Priscilla and Aquila did.
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In_His_Grace
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You are misunderstanding me here, I didn’t mean to imply what you think. I accept that Catholics are Christians. I accept that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior of Catholics. Wow, I’m married to a Roman Catholic. Also your daughter Rachel is in my prayers.
In His Grace
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PRmerger
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I think what IHG meant, Pete, is this: “As long as you believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior (which you do), you’re good to go with me!”
But this surely can’t be enough.
The Westboro Baptist Church folks profess Jesus as Lord and Savior, yet I know that I am certainly not happy with their theology and Biblical interpretations.
These guys profess Jesus as Lord and Savior, yet I don’t think it’s a good idea to declare the Epistles of Paul to be satanic.
voiceofjesus.org/paulvsjesus.html
So theology matters. Not simply declaring Jesus to be Lord and Savior.
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In_His_Grace
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Hi PRmerger,
Yes, strong faith is a most excellent thing. Read my avatar, my heart, mind, and soul are not completely closed to possibility. Wherever God leads me I will follow Him.
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PRmerger
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Yes–he’s still posting incorrectly.
PJM: all you have to do is hit the “quote” icon, and then type your response.
I think you’re doing some weird thing in which you highlight a name and then delete it, and then add the quote function.
All of that isn’t necessary.
Just hit the “quote” icon.
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PRmerger
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