What is the difference in Protestants being "saved" and Catholic salvation?

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Thanks clem456, PRmerger, Porknpie, and JMM1957.

God bless all of you.
And together, we can bless God.
I love the word benediction, which means to “say good things” about someone.

Glory to God in the highest, and peace to His people on earth.
Lord God heavenly King, almighty God and Father,
we worship you, we give you thanks, we praise you for your glory.
Lord Jesus Christ, only Son of the Father, Lord God, Lamb of God,
you take away the sin of the world; have mercy on us;
you are seated at the right hand of the Father; receive our prayer.
For you alone are the Holy One, you alone are the Lord, you alone are the Most High,
Jesus Christ, with the Holy Spirit, in the glory of God the Father. Amen.
 
And together, we can bless God.
I love the word benediction, which means to “say good things” about someone.

Glory to God in the highest, and peace to His people on earth.
Lord God heavenly King, almighty God and Father,
we worship you, we give you thanks, we praise you for your glory.
Lord Jesus Christ, only Son of the Father, Lord God, Lamb of God,
you take away the sin of the world; have mercy on us;
you are seated at the right hand of the Father; receive our prayer.
For you alone are the Holy One, you alone are the Lord, you alone are the Most High,
Jesus Christ, with the Holy Spirit, in the glory of God the Father. Amen.
amen
 
=zz912;13291279]When you click on “Quote” button to respond to someone, the prior post prefills in the text box. There is a quoting function that begins and ends the quote you are replying to that starts with "
XXX" which automatically links to the post you are replying to (you can see it as the blue triangle symbol that you can click on in a quote). You are changing or modifying this and so the link is lost. When you are quoting someone said:
OK, thanks BUT

What if the quoted text is to long to permit a proper reply?

God Bless
 
When you click on “Quote” button to respond to someone, the prior post prefills in the text box. There is a quoting function that begins and ends the quote you are replying to that starts with "

OK, thanks BUT

What if the quoted text is to long to permit a proper reply?

God Bless
Delete inside the quotes be careful and do not delete the quotes. Delete between ] and
 
Delete inside the quotes be careful and do not delete the quotes. Delete between ] and
And if you delete part of someone’s post I recommend doing something along the lines of …
…the quotes be careful and do not delete the quotes. Delete between…
to indicate that you have not posted the entirety of what the poster you are responding to posted. Does this make sense?

In His Grace
 
And if you delete part of someone’s post I recommend doing something along the lines of …

to indicate that you have not posted the entirety of what the poster you are responding to posted. Does this make sense?

In His Grace
I don’t do this but is probably a good idea. However, if you don’t the link does take you to the original.
 
If a posters post is really really long like some of yours Patrick 🙂 another option is to post above the posters post like this.

Blessings
As I said earlier; you’re asking the wrong question; whu don’t you dear friend disprove it😃

St. Ignatius became the third bishop of Antioch, succeeding St. Evodius, who was the immediate successor of St. Peter. He heard St. John preach when he was a boy and knew St. Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna. Seven of his letters written to various Christian communities have been preserved. Eventually, he received the martyr’s crown as he was thrown to wild beasts in the arena.

“Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead.”
“Letter to the Smyrnaeans”, paragraph 6**. circa 80-110 A.D**

ST. AMBROSE OF MILAN (Alt)

“You perhaps say: ‘My bread is usual.’ But the bread is bread before the words of the sacraments; when consecration has been added, from bread it becomes the flesh of Christ. So let us confirm this, how it is possible that what is bread is the body of Christ. By what words, then, is the consecration and by whose expressions? By those of the Lord Jesus. For all the rest that are said in the preceding are said by the priest: praise to God, prayer is offered, there is a petition for the people, for kings, for the rest. When it comes to performing a venerable sacrament, then the priest uses not his own expressions, but he uses the expressions of Christ. Thus the expression of Christ performs this sacrament.” The Sacraments" Book 4, Ch.4:14. Bishop of Milan from 374 to 397
contributed by Eric Ewanco
eje@world.std.com

http://www.staycatholic.com/ecf_primacy_of_rome.htm


The Early Church Fathers understood from the beginning that Peter and his successors held a place of primacy in the Church.

Clement of Rome
Accept our counsel and you will have nothing to regret. . . . If anyone disobeys the things which have been said by him [Jesus] through us, let them know that they will involve themselves in no small danger. We, however, shall be innocent of this sin and will pray with entreaty and supplication that the Creator of all may keep unharmed the number of his elect (Letter to the Corinthians 58:2, 59:1[A.D. 95]).

Ignatius of Antioch
You [the See of Rome] have envied no one, but others have you taught. I desire only that what you have enjoined in your instructions may remain in force (Epistle to the Romans 3:1 [A.D. 110]).

Irenaeus

But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles. Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition (Against Heresies 3:3:2** [inter A.D. 180-190]).**

G B U:thumbsup:
 
InHisGrace, If you don’t mind, could you comment on my post #653 from yesterday evening? If you’d like, we can continue with that dialog.
 
InHisGrace, If you don’t mind, could you comment on my post #653 from yesterday evening? If you’d like, we can continue with that dialog.
You remember the account of Peter and some of the other Apostles when they were on trial before the Sanhedrin in Acts 5:34-39 don’t you? Remember also what Gamaliel the Pharisee said to his fellow Israelites, verse 38, “For if this endeavor or this activity is of human origin, it will destroy itself. But if it comes from God, you will not be able to destroy them, you may even find yourselves fighting against God.”

The Catholic Church has existed by that name for 2000 yrs., and many have tried to destroy it, but it has survived every assault of time. It never vanished, and never will, Jesus promised it.
Sure, I don’t believe today’s Catholic Church existed 2,000 years ago.
 
Ok, so lets take it step by step. When do you think that the Catholic Church came into existence?
I don’t claim to be a scholar or historian or even that bright for that matter. In my opinion the Catholic Church that exists today really began to take root during the middle ages. Many Protestants believe this happened with Constantine and the Edict of Milan but I don’t agree with this though it’s possible.
 
I don’t claim to be a scholar or historian or even that bright for that matter. In my opinion the Catholic Church that exists today really began to take root during the middle ages. Many Protestants believe this happened with Constantine and the Edict of Milan but I don’t agree with this though it’s possible.
Try leaving the word Catholic out of it.

Do you believe that Christ’s Church has existed intact and continuously since the Incarnation?

If so where is it?
 
I don’t claim to be a scholar or historian or even that bright for that matter. In my opinion the Catholic Church that exists today really began to take root during the middle ages. Many Protestants believe this happened with Constantine and the Edict of Milan but I don’t agree with this though it’s possible.
The middle ages is considered to be 500-1500 AD., much later than Constantine (272-337) and the Edict of Milan (313).

I am not a scholar or historian either, my methods of research are no different than yours. Our understanding of history, church history or otherwise, comes to us handed down from those who already did the research. We can add nothing new to it, it already has been established.

The earliest use of the words “Catholic Church” comes to us from an ECF, Ignatius of Antioch. He didn’t coin the term himself, but used it in a letter he wrote to the church of Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna, “Follow, all of you, the bishop, as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be, even as wheresoever Christ Jesus is, there is the catholic church.” The way in which Ignatius used the term “catholic church” indicates that this church was in existence even prior to that time, as the audience of his letter would understand the term was referring to them.

Originally, the true followers of Jesus were called “Christians” from Acts 11:26, in Antioch, the time period being roughly late 30’s AD or so. The historical record is not clear, but sometime in the late first century is when the word catholic was begun to be used. Why the name change from Christian? One explanation is that false teachers and heretics emerged within the Christian Church, and some sprung up independently, and began to form their own followings, but continued to still call themselves Christians. In order to distance themselves from these heretical groups masquerading as true Christians, the true Church took on a distinct name “catholic.” Obviously, we still call ourselves Christians today, anyone who professes Jesus as Lord and Savior, and receives baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Starting with the Reformation, each church that came into being took on its own name to separate itself from the other Protestant churches, because of differences in teachings and practices.

I gotta take a break here.
 
I don’t claim to be a scholar or historian or even that bright for that matter. In my opinion the Catholic Church that exists today really began to take root during the middle ages. Many Protestants believe this happened with Constantine and the Edict of Milan but I don’t agree with this though it’s possible.
Of course! This is common among many non-Catholics to point to this significant event in history (Conversion of Constantine/Edict of Milan) to show the starting point of the Catholic Church. It is a misunderstanding though, as the Edict clearly is only about giving the “Christians” religious tolerance. The Catholic Church is not even mentioned in the Edict by name.
 
The middle ages is considered to be 500-1500 AD., much later than Constantine (272-337) and the Edict of Milan (313).

I am not a scholar or historian either, my methods of research are no different than yours. Our understanding of history, church history or otherwise, comes to us handed down from those who already did the research. We can add nothing new to it, it already has been established.

The earliest use of the words “Catholic Church” comes to us from an ECF, Ignatius of Antioch. He didn’t coin the term himself, but used it in a letter he wrote to the church of Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna, “Follow, all of you, the bishop, as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be, even as wheresoever Christ Jesus is, there is the catholic church.” The way in which Ignatius used the term “catholic church” indicates that this church was in existence even prior to that time, as the audience of his letter would understand the term was referring to them.

Originally, the true followers of Jesus were called “Christians” from Acts 11:26, in Antioch, the time period being roughly late 30’s AD or so. The historical record is not clear, but sometime in the late first century is when the word catholic was begun to be used. Why the name change from Christian? One explanation is that false teachers and heretics emerged within the Christian Church, and some sprung up independently, and began to form their own followings, but continued to still call themselves Christians. In order to distance themselves from these heretical groups masquerading as true Christians, the true Church took on a distinct name “catholic.” Obviously, we still call ourselves Christians today, anyone who professes Jesus as Lord and Savior, and receives baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Starting with the Reformation, each church that came into being took on its own name to separate itself from the other Protestant churches, because of differences in teachings and practices.

I gotta take a break here.
I’m familiar with what you have said. I’ve read William A. Jurgens 3 volume set “The Faith of the Early Fathers” as well as James Hitchcock’s “History of the Catholic Church” along with other books. I most especially looked to the writings of the Apostolic and Ante-Nicene Fathers as well as Augustine (books, sermons, letters etc.) to make my decision historically speaking. I understand the basics.
 
Of course! This is common among many non-Catholics to point to this significant event in history (Conversion of Constantine/Edict of Milan) to show the starting point of the Catholic Church. It is a misunderstanding though, as the Edict clearly is only about giving the “Christians” religious tolerance. The Catholic Church is not even mentioned in the Edict by name.
I tend to agree with you.
 
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