What is the origin of the Mass? Is it explained in Scripture?

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You are right in saying the prayer does not tell us to go directly to God. But Jesus did when he taught us how we should pray…“Our Father, who art in heaven…forgive us our sins.”
 
Wannano said:
You are right in saying the prayer does not tell us to go directly to God.

But Jesus did when he taught us how we should pray…“Our Father, who art in heaven…forgive us our sins.”
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EXACTLY! For, how could one ever go physically directly to God.

We go to Him in Prayer - because JESUS Taught us how…
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Why do you keep posting the same thing without acknowledging that it was answered.
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I was thinking about asking you the very same question.

"Our Father Who Art in Heaven … Forgive Us our Sins As We Forgive those who Sin against us!"

Catholicism has many Forms of Praying - Directly to God!

PRAISE, THANKGIVING… SORROW… and PETITION…’

Whatever made anyone think that they cannot Pray directly to God?

JESUS Teaches That Way of Praying to God!

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Whatever made anyone think that they cannot Pray directly to God?
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What made you think I said that you couldn’t.
Provide a place where Jesus stated Go directly to God for forgiveness. He doesn’t what He does do is gives His Apostles the power to forgive sins. What the Our Father doesn’t do is say that by going to God directly your sins are forgiven. What it does is petition God to forgive our sins as we forgive those who injure us.
 
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You are right in saying the prayer does not tell us to go directly to God. But Jesus did when he taught us how we should pray…“Our Father, who art in heaven…forgive us our sins.”
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You say that I am right that the Our Father does not tell us to go directly to God and then you say it does.
 
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Provide a place where Jesus stated Go directly to God for forgiveness
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You’re continuing on that nowhere path of demanding the term “Go Directly”

You’ve been shown by several that that’s meaningless…

However? We can PRAY directly to God the Father

AND?

We can Ask God the Father for Forgiveness

Anything else?

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Wannano:
You are right in saying the prayer does not tell us to go directly to God. But Jesus did when he taught us how we should pray…“Our Father, who art in heaven…forgive us our sins.”
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You say that I am right that the Our Father does not tell us to go directly to God and then you say it does.
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Like you said (see my post above yours) It is how we should pray to God.
 
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Anything else?
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Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained."
Don’t know where you showed it was meaningless. After all that is what I was disputing. What you are saying is that I was right?
 
The discussion was not about how we should pray but the statement that Jesus said we Jesus asked us to go directly to God for forgiveness.
 
It is all very interesting because Pope Francis recently told the faithful that they should confess directly to God in these times…he even gave a model of how to word it.
 
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. We do have general penance in emergencies. War is usually the one mentioned. Their is caveat however when the person is able they are to seek out a priest for confession.
 
I believe you are right. Jesus spoke other times about canal thinking opposed to spiritual thinking. The spirit is willing but the flesh is week. Thanks for putting it so well.
 
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Jesus asked us to go directly to God for forgiveness
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Jesus shows it in His Preaching about Praying (of course directly) to God…

Praying to God IS going directly to God

Anything else?
 
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Actually Jesus shows us in the action of breathing on the Apostles and telling them what sins they forgive are forgiven how sins were to be forgiven. It should be obvious that Prayers are to God. You cannot back up your statement that Jesus said to go directly to God because He didn’t.
 
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You cannot back up your statement that Jesus said to go directly to God because He didn’t.
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I already have…

Praying Directly to God (rather than say a Saint) - is a paraphrasing of “going directly to God”

Anything else?
 
No that is praying to God. Prayer is undeniable addressed to God. You cannot provide Jesus saying that to have your sins forgiven go directly to God but we do have him saying to the Apostles to forgive sins.

Incidentally, I am the youngest in my family and I was bullied in school. Your bullying tactics don’t compare to what I have already gone through.
 
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