What is the origin of the Mass? Is it explained in Scripture?

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Going to confession, the Sacrament of Reconciliation is going directly to God.
 
I don’t disagree with you but it isn’t meant in the same way. The way that EndTimes means it is that you don’t need a priest.
 
If you will reread my post you will see that I state it is a petition. I agree with what you write. However, look at what your wrote

Father - Forgive us the wrong we have done,
As we have forgiven those who have wronged us.
This is not Jesus saying go to the Father for forgiveness but saying if you don’t forgive others neither will the Father forgive you.
 
hope said:
John 16:25 “Though I have been speaking figuratively , a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.
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Given the scripture that explains Jesus was speaking figuratively, and I do appreciate your opinion, do you have scripture that supports a literal argument, in the correct context. Did Jesus have any bite marks when He went to the cross? Did any of the Apostles or NT writers explain that Jesus was inside the bread they ate?
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Since we know that He, being God, can’t contradict himself, He must mean something other than His flesh when He says “the flesh is of no avail”. I propose that he means a carnal way of thinking , as opposed to spiritual thinking.
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Thanks for your carnal proposal. And you’re right, He cannot contradict Himself. Here are the Words right from Jesus:
John 4: 23-24 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
So eating flesh is not suggested. So, do we have a literal contradiction, or is John 6 figurative…?
 
hope said:
You cannot provide Jesus saying that to have your sins forgiven go directly to God
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Luke 23:34
And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

And I’m very sorry about the bullying… I can certainly relate…
 
ralfyman said:
I found the ff. using Google, and they were published by this website:

Catholic Answers

Transubstantiation for Beginners​

What is Transubstatiation and where does this essential Catholic teaching find it’s origins? Click here for a brief history.

Catholic Answers

Why Is It a Mortal Sin to Miss Mass?​

Many Catholics have lost sight of the fact that it is a mortal sin to skip Mass on Sunday or a holy day of obligation when one is able to attend.
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Thanks for sharing. John 6: 32-71 seems to be the epicenter for transubstantiation. But we know that God’s Word cannot contradict, and the literal mean does contradict other scripture.
1 Cor 10:3-4 They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink
John 6:63-64 “it is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no avail .
John 16:25 “Though I have been speaking figuratively
And no one took a bite out of Jesus… And the Apostles broke bread in Acts, without Jesus inside the bread.

Regarding your “Sin to miss Mass” article. The same apply’s, God’s Word cannot contradict. More specifically in the article, the statement:
“It is the liturgy through which, especially in the divine sacrifice of the Eucharist, ‘the work of our redemption is accomplished”.
Ephesians 2:8-10 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith , and this is not from yourselves
Hebrews 7:25 Therefore He is able to save completely those who come to God through him
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, ~ whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24 whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life
2 Corinthians 12:9 My grace is sufficient for you , for my power is made perfect in weakness."
Romans 10:9-10 If you declare with your mouth, Jesus is Lord ,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved . For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified , and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

Mass is an external event, requiring a second person to perform the event (priest), to be saved… Scripture says we can be saved by confessing and proclaiming God is our Lord, without a 2nd person there. There’s the contradiction.
 
Justin_Mary said:
Going to confession, the Sacrament of Reconciliation is going directly to God.
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Going to a confessional requires a second person (priest) to have your sins forgiven. The veil was torn, we can confess directly to God.
 
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how do you know His words were literal.
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Because Jesus said so and because those who heard him walked away from Him.

John 6
The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”
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Jesus didn’t say wait I didn’t mean it literally. Nope! He doubled down
Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
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Note the Amen which at the beginning of a discourse means - surely, truly, of a truth. What Jesus is declaring that this is truth not symbolic
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
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What was the reaction of His disciples?
As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.
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It is no different today. There are those who cannot believe and walk away.
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Your question on bite marks shows that you do not understand what the Eucharist is. Jesus does not just give us a part of His body but all Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.
We receive His Glorified Body. It is not so much that He enters us but that we Enter Him. His disciples left Him over this very thing. They couldn’t accept it. IT is the same today. It is surprising to me that they can accept water being changed to Wine, bread being multiplied, His rising from the dead but cannot accept His great gift and miracle to us that of His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.
 
Where do you find this in Scripture? I don’t mean the veil was torn. After the veil was torn, Jesus gave the power to forgive sins to the Apostles. If you could go directly to God, why would He do it?
 
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hope said:
Father - Forgive us the wrong we have done,
As we have forgiven those who have wronged us.

but saying if you don’t forgive others neither will the Father forgive you.
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No… It’s more than that… you left out the first part…
  1. It’s Petitioning God the Father for Forgiveness…
  2. In the same manner that we Forgive others…
When King David Petitioned God
including in part that he shall ‘go to God’ if his Prayer was answered…
was he being Literal or Figurative?

CONTEXT
  1. Why must I go about mourning,
  2. oppressed by the enemy?
  3. Send me your light and your faithful care,
  4. let them lead me;
  5. let them bring me to your holy mountain,
  6. to the place where you dwell …
  7. … Then I will go to the altar of God, to God
SINCE JESUS Teaches that we should Pray to God in the manner of “The Our Father”
Which includes our Asking God for Forgiveness
God is a GOTO for Anyone…
 
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It has been interesting to converse with you but three points
  1. Off topic
  2. We are repeating our points
  3. I understand your point, I disagree with it. I am not sure you understand my point but it doesn’t matter you will never agree with me.
    Back to the subject.
    God Bless You
 
4Him said:
God’s Word cannot contradict, and the literal mean does contradict other scripture.
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It is your understanding of Scripture that is the contradiction.
Mass is an external event, requiring a second person to perform the event (priest), to be saved… Scripture says we can be saved by confessing and proclaiming God is our Lord, without a 2nd person there. There’s the contradiction.
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But you ignore other scripture to come to this erroneous conclusion.
John Chapter 6
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, ye have not life in yourselves.
Luke Chapter 22
Then he took a loaf of bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, `This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.’
Mathew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Jesus did not come to abolish the Priesthood.
Jesus did not come to abolish the Passover. The fulfillment of the Passover is the Eucharist which is the same as His Crucifixion we know this because He said so
Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.”

20And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.
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Scripture says many things.
1 Peter 3:21 is just one verse that you seem not to be familiar with.
 
“Then he took a loaf of bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, `THIS is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”

I believe Jesus.
 
hope said:
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4Him:
how do you know His words were literal.
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Because Jesus said so and because those who heard him walked away from Him.
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Jesus did not say His Words were literal. And Jesus knowing the hearts (John 2:24) of those who did not believe, He wanted them to walk away…

Yep, the men misunderstood “eating his flesh”, just as they misunderstood John 2:19 - "Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” They thought He meant the building temple…

He was also tired of them grumbling: John 6:43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered.

And the center theme was “believing in”, not eating bread, that was the whole point: vs. 47: “Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life.” Believing in Jesus is Life…! And “eating” was used frequently as a metaphor…

John 6:63-64 * “it is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no avail . The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life”
 
hope said:
Where do you find this in Scripture? I don’t mean the veil was torn. After the veil was torn, Jesus gave the power to forgive sins to the Apostles. If you could go directly to God, why would He do it?
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Actually the answer is in the Theological reason for the veil being torn…
 
hope said:
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4Him:
God’s Word cannot contradict, and the literal mean does contradict other scripture.
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It is your understanding of Scripture that is the contradiction
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I’ll let John answer: John 6:63-64 * “it is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no avail . The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life
 
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